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  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #90 - September 14, 2014, 04:12 PM

    Du'a is the link between the servant and his Lord: "Say: My Lord would not care for you if it wasn't for your du'a." (25:77) There is no-one more astray than he who calls on other than God: "And who is more astray than he who calls on other than God, such as will not answer him?" (46:5) So the idols that the polytheists direct their du'a to cannot hear their du'a, let alone answer it: "And those whom you call upon besides Him do not possess even the thin membrane of a date ­stone. If you call on them they cannot hear your call, and if they could hear they will not answer you." (35:13-14) So there is no use then in calling upon the idols because they cannot harm nor benefit: "Say: Call on those whom you assert besides Him, they have neither the power to remove your troubles from you nor to change them." (17:56) In the part of the Qur'an where God is speaking about the cow that bani Isra'il worshipped, God ask them: "What! could they not see that it did not return to them a reply, and it did not control any harm or benefit for them?" (20:89)

    What does this mean? The meaning is very clear indeed! It is that the idols cannot answer du'a because they can't hear, feel, harm or benefit. It is God and only God who answers du'a and harms or brings benefit. We must seek help & assistance from no one but him alone! God himself has ordered us to do this: "Is it other than God you call on… Nay, but to him must you call!" (6:40-41) So he who calls on anyone or anything other than God has no hope of ever getting what he wants. But he who wants to get an answer and response to his du'a, then he must direct it to God.

    Is this true? Does God really answer the du'a of the distressed? Does he really remove their suffering?

    You will find the answer with the widows, the bereaved, the oppressed and the desolate. You will find the answer with the mother in Algeria who lost her mind after seeing her husband and children slaughtered in front of her eyes in the massacres there. You will find the answer with the innocents tortured in prisons of tyrants. Or with the desperate mothers of Gaza who beseech God every night to keep their children safe but are only answered with more slaughter. Can't God hear them? Can't he hear the howl as a father finds his son under the rubble of their house? Or see the tears that won't stop. All these people called on God, in sincere, devout du'a. If this verse was true;

    "Is he not the one who answers the distressed one when he calls upon Him and removes the suffering." (27:62)

    Then all this wouldn't have happened to them and if not then what is the meaning of his pledge to answer the du'a of the distressed? These people are amongst the most distressed and oppressed people, and they all believe in God and have prayed to him to remove their suffering. So did God answer them as he promised? What is the difference between God and the idols in the following verse?

    "If you call on them they cannot hear your call, and if they could hear they will not answer you." (35:14)

    God in the Qur'an forbids you from calling on anyone other than him. But if you call on him he doesn't respond. As though he is one of Abraham's idols* or the idols of the polytheists of Mecca. Can anyone tell me the difference between God and the idols when it comes to answering du'a? Can anyone tell me what is the point of the Qur'an insisting we make du'a to God and promising to answer?

    Yes, there's the odd example in the Qur'an of God helping a few lucky servants and making a big show of it rather like a publicity stunt or a magician pulling rabbits out of a hat to dazzle the eyes of his servants. Such as the boat that Moses companion** - under the revealed direction from God - makes a hole in . The boat belonged to some poor people who worked on the sea. So he damaged it so that the king wouldn't plunder it. But if God had the slightest interest or concern for the poor people of earth, then there would be no need for this showmanship, since there would be no poor people.

    Likewise the two boys who had a pious father who left them a treasure under a wall that was in danger of collapsing. So God revealed to Moses' companion that he should repair the wall before it collapses so that the treasure is not revealed and stolen.(4) Yet how many pious men & women are oppressed and displaced - them and their children? How many orphans roam the streets, their bodies abused and their rights stolen.

    Under this category falls also the story of Moses who his mother bore and then placed in a basket and cast into the river fearing the violence of Pharaoh, but God protected him and returned him to his mother.(5) While narrating these events, the Qur'an says: “...And whosoever fears God and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty).  And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And whosoever puts his trust in God, then He will suffice him...” (Quran 65:2-3)

    In these, and other verses, God has stipulated upon himself two conditions of security that he will ensure. Protection of rights and prevention of plunder and aggression. But if God cared in the slightest about the grief of a mother to her child, he would not have helped only the mother of Moses. For he singled her out for help, that he has withheld from all other mothers who are grieving over their children who are suffering all types of afflictions, displacement and misery.

    How many orphans there are in Somalia and other parts of Africa with no father or mother to care for them as they struggle against hunger, thirst and an early death. How many mothers in the Middle East cry out day and night to God in unbearable grief and sorrow, their hearts breaking for their sons & daughters. The Middle East where the never ending bloodshed and oppression is only equalled by the cries of innocents towards a deaf God. Why does God's promise to help those in adversity, not extend to them?

    These poor suffering people and orphans are part of a global tragedy that started since the birth of mankind into this world and it is repeated over and over again in front of our very eyes. But God is oblivious to it. So lucky you, oh mother of Moses! Be happy and consoled!!!

    Who are the disobedient and insubordinate people the Qur'an mentions, who were ungrateful for the blessing of God upon them? When: "They embarked on a boat, they called on God, making their devotion sincerely to him; but when he delivered them safely to land, behold, they associate others (with Him)" (29:65) When was that? And who are these people also: "And when a wave like mountains covers them they call upon Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience, but when He brings them safe to the land, some of them compromise. None denies Our signs save every traitor ingrate." (31:32)?

    Who are those ones that God saved, I don't know, but I do know that numbers that cannot be counted drown at sea. Did they die because they didn't call on God, "making devotion sincerely to him"? Indeed anyone in this position will wholeheartedly call on him sincerely, especially women, children, the elderly and the handicapped who find themselves helpless.

    Do you want to know who God saves? He saves those who are able to save themselves, who are able to swim. i.e. those who don't need anyone to save them. Though even they are sometimes overcome by the waves. So what do you think about the weak and frail? Let's say for the sake of argument that a large ship came to their rescue - which of course believers will say was sent by God - can the ship rescue everyone thrown into the sea? They can only save those who managed to survive until they arrived. As for the rest they  just drown or are eaten by sharks. In this case it is just pure chance that is behind those who are saved - not God, who left the others to die without doing anything. And this only rarely happens. But despite that, those who are saved will always praise and thank God for saving them!

    ***


    *Qur'an 21:51-70 recounts the story of Abraham's people who worshipped idols. So Abraham broke them all except the largest. When the people accused Abraham, he replied: "No, this was done by this their biggest one! ask them, if they can speak intelligently!"

    **One could also mention from the same narrative in the Qur'an the story of the boy who Moses' companion killed because he was going to grow up to be a evil boy and would make his pious parents life a misery. God wanted to give them another good and pious son. Which raises the obvious question - why not give them a good son from the start and avoid having to kill anyone with all the distress that would inevitably cause to the parents - not to mention the boy who is being killed for crimes he has yet to commit.

    (4) See: Sura al-Kahf (The Cave) 18:60-80.
    (5) See: Sura Ta Ha 38-39.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #91 - September 15, 2014, 10:31 PM

    God always gets the credit when believers do anything. They willingly and happily ascribe their deliverance or success to him, believing it's due to his grace and favour. God is like the croupier who spins the roulette wheel. While the gamblers win or lose all, he never makes a loss. Believers pour praise and gratitude on God in sickness and in health; "Thank God who no-one but him is praised for something bad."

    So if the one who is afflicted or suffers still thanks God, then what do you think about the one who succeeds? Shouldn't he thank God even more? These fortunate one's who God has "answered" increase their prayers and praise. They thank God day and night and express their gratitude through charity, sacrifices and ever more closer adherence and observance of their religious duties. Confident that this is the source of their success. How blessed are those who have been helped and are successful, for God does not answer any but the pious, god-fearing and obedient servants. Upon them fall the blessings of their Lord and his mercy, they are the ones who are on the right path.

    However while god is "answering" those lucky ones, he is ignoring others. So if God never fails to answer his obedient servants, then those who are not answered, cannot be pious enough. They must be sinful in some way. So not only do they suffer the misery of what has befallen them, but they suffer condemnation from others. They must be at fault, for it cannot be God. So what is their response? To redouble their efforts to be pious obedient servants of God. Just like those who have been answered, they increase their prayers, praise and thanks to God and ever more closely adhere and observe their religious duties. Hoping one day they will meet the conditions God requires for their prayers to be answered. For God is with the patient.

    All the while God is motionless on his throne above the 7th heaven. Praise is heaped at his feet like offerings to an idol. While he is oblivious to human suffering. To him there are no grieving mothers apart from the mother of Moses. There are no desperate people calling for help apart from the companions of the ship. There are no orphans in need of protecting other than the children who's treasure lay under the wall. How marvellous is the compassion of God! How sensitive and tender are his feelings towards us! How generous and caring is he of the weak and oppressed. This is the reality of God.

    Up-turned palms are raised to him imploring & pleading that he not leave a single sin, but forgive it. Nor affliction, but remove it. Nor need, but fulfil it. Faces upturned to the heavens, tears streaming down cheeks, hearts bared & begging. But heaven is unmoved by the misery of man. For a God who has the ability to remove suffering, but refuses to, is content with that suffering, happy to let it continue.

    Du'a is the refuge of the defenceless and powerless who are unable help themselves. For he who is able to do something for himself will do it. But you will still find those of deep faith overloading God with their constant requests, seeking to add to the wealth he already has and to increase his success. Though in many cases the rich make du'a out of ritual and religious duty rather than due to needs of this world.

    In reality, du'a is just talking to yourself. This is what millions do every day - and I used to be one of them. When we call on God, implore him, seek his forgiveness and help, we are just talking to ourselves and appealing to ourselves. For that reason, du'a is a type of madness.

    There are so many popular books available with formulaic du'as, religious chants and praise that have a ready market amongst the more simple-minded believers who love to recite them in gatherings in mosques and at Sufi meetings. So you will see them chanting them morning and night, swaying rhythmically as they do, bellowing out their du'a with pious intensity etched on their faces. Whenever I pass by such gatherings - especially halaqat al-Zikr - I feel great pity for them and lament their state and think to myself, "How sad it is that so much of human life is waisted waiting for God to answer!?"

    ***
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #92 - September 16, 2014, 10:22 PM

    1. One of the du'as that believers use to beseech God, is one that it is impossible to achieve:

    "Oh God! Do not leave us a sin, except that you forgive it, nor a debt, except that you pay it, nor a sorrow, except that you relieve it, nor an affliction except that you remove it, nor a sick person, except that you cure him, nor one who is lost, except that you bring him back, nor one who is let down, except that you lift him up, nor a weak one, except that you make him strong, nor a mad person except that you return his mind, nor an astray, except that you guide him, nor a confused one except that you direct him, nor an absent one, except that you return him, nor a drowning one, except that you rescue him."

    2. Believers also often finish du'as by calling on God to destroy their enemies - especially the Jews. It is as though God is only the God of Muslims and not the God of the rest of the human race:

    "Oh God Give us victory over the oppressive Jews who are your enemies and enemies of the religion. Oh God disperse their unity and separate their assembly, destroy their buildings, and make orphans of their children and widows of their women, and make them and that which they own as booty for the muslims… "

    The list of du'as is long - very long. It never ends! But it doesn't matter since God is on our side. Though it seems that due to the great number of these du'a, God has decided not to reply to any of them. Except the request for forgiveness, since I don't know whether he answers that request or not. Though I suspect he does, since it doesn't involve him getting up from his throne. So despite everything we go on pleading with God while he is deaf to us and refuses to answer, making us look like fools so that Israel and it's allies can laugh and poke fun at us.

    3. Amongst the strangest of du'as are the ones that are made seeking God's help through the intercession of his beloved, dearest Muhammad and his good character and behaviour. We pray that he be granted the power of intercession & grace and to bring him on the day of resurrection in the praiseworthy status that God promised him. It is as though we are in constant fear that God would not fulfil his promise to him. For that reason we constantly implore and beg God to grant Muhammad this blessed position, after every prayer, especially Friday prayer - all this in the hope that God will grant it. But I have a feeling this never-ending nagging may irritate God so much that he won't grant it, just to spite us - even though it will be at the expense of his dearly beloved!

    The promises of the Qur'an - and Gospels - that God will answer your supplications, never cease. Yet, whether Muslim or Christian, God never replies. Even though each believer will obsessively conform to whatever conditions they regard as necessary. The Qur'an itself lays down some conditions - that the caller must be an pious servant of God. Every "divine" scripture is based on the principle that God loves his faithful. He is kind, compassionate and loving towards them. But these are just on paper. Reality tells a quite different story.

    How generous is he, Most High, in making promises, yet how frugal in fulfilling them. Believers of all faiths think that God loves them, but the facts show that God doesn't love them. Unless misery, starvation and disaster are love in his unique dictionary.

    Of course believers say; "It's a test!" Man must be put through a trial, an examination so that God can expose what is in their heart, whether good or bad. And the results of the test will appear… when? After death of course! But there is nothing more contemptible than this pathetic justification for the unbearable misery humanity suffers.*

    They say, the promises are not for this world, they will be realised in the next world! The poor wretches who suffer in this life swallow this fairy tale, hook, line and sinker. Nay, you will find the most pious of the pious of believers abstaining from the little pleasures this world offers and seeking suffering in the belief that it will increase their portion of the good things in the joyful next life that is eternal and unblemished by misery. Many also consider that afflictions in this life are punishments for misdeeds that are being paid for now, so they will not have to suffer punishment in the next life. For the punishment of the next life is worse and more abiding!

    Some also say that the suffering of this world has nothing to do with God.** It is the result of the things that man does. Fine. But then what does God do? Is he content to just be a impotent witness with nothing to do with this world nor any influence? And if the condition for getting an answer is that the person must be pious and upright, then are all those who continue to suffer impious, thieves and rogues? Isn't there amongst them at least some who deserve God's pity and compassion, seeing as he is the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate. What sin have those children committed that has resulted in God ignoring their pleas to save them from starvation and abuse? Where is the promise that God has made incumbent upon himself in the Qur'an when he said: "And how many a living creature that does not carry its sustenance: It is God who provides for it, as well as for you." (29:60)? And: "There is no living creature in the earth but upon God lay the responsibility of providing its sustenance." (11:6)? And: "Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering." (27:62)

    Tell me, what is the difference between the existence of God and the non-existence of God?

    If God doesn't exist, would the world, with all it's troubles, misery and suffering, be any worse than it is now?

    Tell me honestly?

    _______________________


    *The argument that the suffering of this life is a test fails on several accounts. Why would a God who knows the result of the test need to test? Why would he need to prove or justify anything to his creation? Why would the next life be any worse were God to spare us the "test" of this life? Why is faith - believing something that lacks evidence - the most important requirement of this 'test'. Why is this test just about how much pain man can patiently - and faithfully - endure? Is that really the best measure of virtue & good character?

    **Muslims, Christians and those of other faiths have all sorts of arguments to counter the 'problem of evil' - perhaps the most common is that God allows suffering & misery for a reason & wisdom that we can either not understand or that is not explained to us - for whatever reason. The problem with this explanation is that since we don't know what this wise and wonderful purpose is, then how do we know it really exists? Believers will then say we must take it on trust. But again, what reason do we have to trust there is a wise and wonderful reason? Scriptures? The Qur'an? The Bible? The God in those scriptures hardly inspires one to trust he has a wise reason.

    Another response to the problem of evil is; Free Will - namely that in order to have free will, God must allow bad things to happen. Firstly that doesn't necessarily follow, since an all powerful God can do anything so it cannot be said to beyond him to create a world with no evil while we still have free-will and indeed Islam (amongst others) claims that God will do exactly that in heaven where we will have free will but there will be no evil. In addition it still doesn't explain the enormous amount of apparently gratuitous evil and "acts of God" such as earthquakes, Tsunamis and other natural disasters. (Not to mention the whole subject of "Free-Will" and an Omnipotent & Omniscient God is extremely problematic to say the least.)

    There is also the claim that evil & bad things that happen is somehow "good for the soul" i.e it builds character and allows good and noble deeds. Firstly, this is simply a claim which is unproven. It may or may not be true. Secondly an all-powerful God could build character etc... without evil. To say he can't is to limit God, in which case he is not omnipotent. Finally this again does not explain the apparently gratuitous acts of evil and suffering that go unwitnessed and so would have no effect on building character.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #93 - September 17, 2014, 10:39 PM

    Chapter 5

    Part 5

    God is the Best of Sustainers

    God in the Qur'an guarantees to provide sustenance for his servants. In fact God in the Qur'an isn't simply the provider (الرازق) but is The All-Sustaining Provider, الرَزَّاق - an emphatic form of الرازق, in the usual hyperbolic style of the Qur'an that throws out statements without the slightest sense of responsibility nor consequence, like braggarts and boasters do, when they make all sorts of grand claims, but when you actually need them to do something, you discover all their big-talk was just hot air.

    In the Qur'an, God takes the polytheists of Mecca to task over the fact that: "They worship other than God, that which cannot provide sustenance for them nor do anything." (16:73) But can God provide sustenance? How about the poor and destitute? Does God provide for them? Or has he left them and their children wandering from dustbin to dustbin? If we ask the religious scholars about the fate of these poor wretches, they say - and the answer is always ready on the tip of their tongues - that it is either because of what their hands have committed or it is a test from God to see which of them is best in action? But then one could say that about so-called false Gods and idols that the polytheists worship. That human suffering is either because they offended the idols or the idols are testing them to see who is best in action. The scholars will laugh and say that is just sophistry. Then why isn't what they are saying just sophistry? The truth is that both are just sophistry and dodging the issue in order to protect faith.

    "And how many a living creature that does not carry its sustenance: It is God who provides for it, as well as for you." (29:60)

    Do you know how God provides for it? By feeding it another poor creature* - who also "does not carry its sustenance" and is no less hungry than the other. Is this really providing sustenance? Or is this just play with words and insulting our intelligence?

    This reminds me of a Hadith of the prophet: "If you truly relied upon God as he should be relied upon, he would provide for your sustenance just as he provides for the bird who goes hungry then returns full." No doubt because it found some insects or worms to eat. So relying on God means nothing more than eat or be eaten. Does God "provide" sustenance in any other way?

    Something similar to this is related in the Gospel of Matthew where Jesus said: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear… Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?(6)

    I don't know which is worse a God who can't provide sustenance - or a God who is able, but chooses not to?

    Even those servants close to him are neglected and I am reminded of what is related in the Torah, which the Qur'an describes as guidance and light: "Indeed we have sent down the Torah, in which is guidance & light." (5:44) When Moses stayed on the mountain for forty nights without food or water.(7) This is how God looks after his guests. Even though the limit for most human beings to go without food is about 3 weeks, and the limit to go without water is 7 days. But no doubt Moses received enough spiritual food & water from talking to God to keep him alive until he could come down and get some real food and water, though unfortunately he may have had to deal with that whole golden calf business first.

    Many of God's pious servants die while making pilgrimage to his holy house. Fires in tents are common as are crushes and stampedes as well as other calamities that befall God's guests every year. Though they die as martyrs in the most blessed sanctuary and so God is in fact honouring them and raising them in status. Are they not the guests of the Most Merciful? Good news - you shall have paradise! In it you can go wherever you wish and where: "They shall not hear vain or sinful language, Only the saying, "Peace! Peace". (56:25-26)

    God does, however, feed those who don't need him to feed them.** He feeds the rich, the powerful, the corrupt, princes & kings, swindlers and tyrants and their entourage and sycophants. As for the rest, he couldn't care less. That is his will, Most High is he, and no-one has the right to object: "Is it they who would portion out the Mercy of thy Lord? It is We Who portion out between them their livelihood in the life of this world: and We raise some of them above others in rank, so that some of them may take others in subjection." (43:32) So it is God who has given us our place in the world whether prince or pauper, judge or jester. God alone has the right to do whatever he wants and no-one has the right to question it:  "Glory be to God, Lord of the throne, above what they attribute (to Him). He cannot be questioned about what He does!" (21:22-23) He knows best what's good for his servants: "God has favoured some of you above others in sustenance. Now those who are more favoured will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess so that they would be equal with them therein." (1671) "God knows and you don't know." (24:19)


    *The whole idea of killing and eating another creature is a strange one when you really stop to think about it. Particularly when you consider an all-powerful God could have done things any way he wished. He had a blank sheet. But he consciously chose that his creatures should get sustenance by killing and eating each other's flesh.

    **This reminds me of the hadith where Umar found the Prophet sleeping on the floor in his sparse room and complained that rulers of Rome and Persia enjoyed luxurious living while the prophet live like this. The prophet replied; “Don't you like that they choose this world and we choose the Hereafter?” [Al-Bukhari].

    6. Gospel of Matthew 6:25-26.
    7. See: Deuteronomy 9:9-18.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #94 - September 19, 2014, 08:54 PM

    For it is God who gives and withholds, raises and humiliates, he is all-powerful: "Indeed your Lord provides sustenance in abundance for whoever he wants and restricts it (upon whoever he wants), he is all-knowing and all-seeing." (17:30) It is not done according to your vain desires, nor the vain desires of people like you who only understand the superficial nature of this life, for if God was to give everyone their sustenance in abundance they would transgress against each other:

    "Were God to provide sustenance for his servants in abundance, they would transgress in the land, so he apportions a fixed measure according to what he wishes. Indeed he is all-experienced and all-seeing about his servants." (42:27)

    So the wisdom of God and his foresight demands that he must not provide sustenance for his servants in abundance so that they won't transgress against each other or spread corruption. Thus we see this world is just fine. There is no conflict, or iniquity, no wars over resources. No corruption in the earth and no man transgresses against another due to the restricting of sustenance by God which prevents that. If anyone sees anything to the contrary then his eyes must be deceiving him.

    It appears that the rampant corruption and iniquity in this world hasn't yet reached the ears of our Lord. Unfortunately we may have to wait a thousand years before it reaches his hearing because: "He regulates affairs from heaven to the earth, which then ascend to Him in a day the measure of is a thousand years of what you count." (32:5) Although perhaps this news has begun to filter through after only four centuries, in which case he will need to forwarded it to the relevant committees for consideration so that they can publish reports about it. Then on the basis of these reports, he Most High, can issue his final ruling. I am confident that his ruling will be a positive one because it is not acceptable nor reasonable to leave us like this blundering around struggling to secure food, water, medicine and the most basic requirements of life for us and our children, when he possesses the: "Treasures of the Heavens & Earth!" (63:7)

    It is extremely unfortunate that we, nor our children's children, will get to see the outcome of these reports because we will have to wait another day of the days of our Lord - i.e. another one thousand years - before the arrival of instructions regarding the sustenance of the people of earth. Then the angels shall carry out these instructions to the letter.

    There are two types of days with God. One who's measure is only a thousand years and another type - and this is the frightening thing - who's measure is fifty thousand years! "The angels and the spirit* ascend unto him in a Day the measure of which is fifty thousand years." In which case we will have to wait five hundred centuries before the news of the corruption in the land reaches our Lord's ears!! Then five hundred more before we receive the instructions from him, Most High. But I am hopeful it will be first type of days, as I am a strong optimist. For if one thinks the best, then they will find it with God, while hastiness is from Shaytan! Perhaps these two verses fall under the category of The Abrogater and the Abrogated. So the first one abrogates the second one - and this is what I hope is the case. Or perhaps the second abrogates the first - in which case I seek refuge in God!

    The truth is that up until now I do not understand this verse:

    "Were God to provide sustenance for his servants in abundance, they would transgress in the land…" (42:27)

    Is everything we see in the world of corruption, spreading mischief, oppression and aggression - not "transgression"? And why do we have police, soldiers, laws, courts and prisons if not to try and control the "transgression" of man against man?

    Has God forgotten the wars and conflicts between peoples and nations over food, water and other resources? The colonisation and appropriation of other people's resources that has gone on throughout history? If there was justice and a fair distribution of wealth & resources, then the verse would be true and there would not be any oppression or aggression and no need for laws, courts and police. Or perhaps all that we see of transgression is not really transgression, in the sense of; "God has told the truth, but your bother's stomach lies!"

    There can be no opposition to the what God decides, for he is: "The possessor of the majestic throne, the doer of everything he wants." (85:15-16) and why not since: "He is the conqueror above his servants and He is the Wise, the Expert." (6:18) "He is not to be questioned about what he does, but they are to be questioned." (21:23)

    God, Most High, wants resources to be monopolised by a fortunate minority. Why? Believe it or not, so that corruption does not spread in the world!!! As for what we see on earth of corruption as a result of this monopolising, inequality, and discrimination - that isn't corruption. Call it anything, but not corruption.

    The only thing God has done to rectify this iniquity - at least on a superficial level - is that he has encouraged the fortunate ones to be generous with some of the crumbs from their table to give to the poor & destitute, even though he knew in advance this is not nearly enough and many won't give anything at all.

    So he Most High has sought to repair matters by making it compulsory upon them to give a specific portion to the poor: "And in their wealth is a portion that is the right of the needy and deprived." (51:19) He threatened them with dire consequences and all sorts of severe retribution - but not in this world - no - in the next only. As for this world no harm will touch them: "Those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in God's way, give tidings to them a painful chastisement. On the day when it (the gold & silver) shall be heated in the fire of hell, then their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded with it. This is what you hoarded up for yourselves, so taste what you hoarded up!" (9:34-35) But those who give money are promised great reward and all sorts of comforts and pleasure - in the next life, not this life: "Those who spend their wealth in the path of God, and do not follow up what they have given with reproach or injury, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve." (2:262)

    So charity and doing good will never be lost with God: "Indeed We suffer not the reward of one who does a good work to be lost." (18:30) By doing good works man is doing good to himself, for the good work, whether charity or other good deeds, comes back to the person who did it. Just as doing evil comes back also: " If you do good, you do good for your own souls, and if you do evil, it is for them (your own souls)." (17:7)

    While earnings from business in this life are exposed to loss as well as profit, those who give in charity make a business transaction with God, that never loses: "Indeed those who spend of the sustenance we provide for them, both secretly & openly, they look forward to a commerce that will never fail." (35:29) They will have the good news of paradise: "As for he who gives (in charity) and fears God and And believes in goodness, we will make smooth for him the path to bliss." (92:5-7)

    This sort of postponement is something that appears frequently in the Qur'an. God in the Qur'an, never commits himself to anything in this world. If he does promise something in this world, then it is in general, vague language that can have multiple interpretations and are more like riddles & puzzles. If any of it actually happens then it is pure coincidence, but oh how happy is chance when it coincides with what you want!


    *The Qur'an contains many ambiguous and cryptic references that the mufassirun are at a complete loss to explain. The word "The Spirit" (الروح) in this verse is an example. Ibn Kathir relates in his tafseer on this verse: "it is a creation from the creation of God who look like humans, but are not humans… it is possible it means Gabriel… and it is possible it's a collective noun for the souls of humans, because when they die they are taken up to heaven as is related in hadith… "
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #95 - September 21, 2014, 04:00 PM

    Since God created mankind on this earth there have been "rich" and "poor". The rich were enjoined to give to the poor, but they just became arrogant, imperious, miserly and tight-fisted. For when selfish greed overtakes one, then anything goes: "Spend in charity for the benefit of your own soul and whoever is spared the greediness of his soul, they are the successful." (64:16) But these pleas fall on deaf ears.

    God placed sharp differences between his creation. He has obliged you and I and others like us from amongst his meek servants to be kind & charitable to the poor as much as we can, after the rich and powerful fail to help them. They shall have the fire of Hell and what a terrible abode it is. But of course that is in the next life only. As for this life, don't you dare look at what they have, seeking the pleasures of this life, for the next life is better and more lasting:

    "Do not stretch your eyes after that with which we have provided different classes of them, of the splendour of this world's life, that We may test them; and the sustenance (given) by your Lord is better and more lasting." (20:131)

    It's as though this rich elite are his dear loved ones, his sons, his pampered ones. They constitute 10% of the population of this world and yet own 85% of the world's wealth. God has indeed bestowed an abundance of sustenance upon them, he has heaped money and wealth on them and given them to eat of all the good things the earth produces. He has given them their every desire. If you try to count the blessings of God upon them, you will not be able to count them, yet they are ungrateful for the blessings and turn their backs, so God gives them more blessings as a test for them, luring them by giving them more and more to… who knows where!! "As for those who disbelieve, we gradually lure them on from whence they know not." (7:182 & 68:44)*

    "With God are the treasures of heavens & earth." (63:7) He grants it to whoever he wants from amongst his servants for he knows best where to shower the contents of his treasure stores: "Is it they who would portion out the Mercy of thy Lord? It is We Who portion out between them their livelihood in the life of this world: and We raise some of them above others in ranks, so that some may command work from others. But the Mercy of thy Lord is better than the (wealth) which they amass." (43:32)

    "Do not covet those things in which Allah Hath bestowed His gifts More freely on some of you than on others." (4:32) Because God's wisdom demands that there be huge disparity in sustenance amongst humanity: "If God wanted he could have made you a single community, but (he didn't) so that he can test you in what he has given (each of) you. So race each other in good works. To God you will all return." (5:48) Giving everyone sustenance in abundance is the cause of corruption & transgression according to the logic of the Qur'an. So for that reason God has held it back and restricted it to the lucky few - so there won't be any corruption or transgression:

    "Were God to provide sustenance for his servants in abundance, they would transgress in the land, so he apportions a fixed measure according to what he wishes. Indeed he is all-experienced and all-seeing about his servants." (42:27)

    Wealth is a temptation and so for that reason God has not distributed it fairly, because he knows what's best for them:

    "Were it not for the fear that all mankind would become one community [of disbelievers], we would have made for those who disbelieve in the Merciful God, houses with roofs of silver and gold, and stairways by which they go to upper chambers, and their doors and their couches on which they recline (all of silver and gold).  But all this is merely a provision of this worldly life; and the Hereafter with your Lord is for the righteous." (43:33-35)

    Is this true? Will providing abundant sustenance for human beings truly cause them to become corrupt & transgress? Does poverty & misery prevent one from corruption or transgression? Is the Qur'an an enemy of the Left & Self-Sufficiency? Even desiring a better life is forbidden in the Qur'an. Strange logic and mysterious wisdom. But God knows and you don't know!!

    The houses of the unbelievers that we just saw described in Sura al-Zukhruf; "houses with roofs of silver and gold, and stairways by which they go to upper chambers, and their doors and their couches on which they recline…" - these houses that God said he wouldn't make for the disbelievers because he "feared that all mankind would become one community [of disbelievers]," - these houses are nothing compared the palaces of the disbelievers today. Palaces so vast you cannot count the rooms. Palaces with pools, gyms, stables, and helicopter ports. Palaces with the latest control software technology and multi-media entertainment. Palaces with priceless ornaments and works of art everywhere you turn and luxuries & comforts you cannot imagine. The houses that God describes in the Qur'an, are nothing compared to the palaces of today belonging to the rich & powerful all around the world. The Qur'an describes these magnificent houses as though they were an unattainable dream and says God wouldn't make such things because he "feared that all mankind would become one community [of disbelievers]," i.e. he feared that we would all become unbelievers.

    Yet the truth is that palaces have far exceeded God's expectations, Glory be to Him, without any of the pitfalls that he, Most High, feared would happen. People haven't all become unbelievers. In fact there are more Muslims now than at the time of the prophet - proportionally as well as in total. Also people haven't become one single nation. On the contrary the rich have got richer and the poor poorer. So even though God said he didn't want unbelievers to have amazing houses beyond the wildest dreams of people at that time, it has happened, and more! Whether God wanted it or not.  Despite this none of the evil consequences that he feared, have happened. These evil consequences that the Qur'an invents are nothing but excuses to cover-up God's failure to remove man's suffering. It's an excuse that gives a free hand to the fat cats - whether religious leaders, politicians or any other group that finds religion a useful tool to control people. While we must be content with the crumbs that fall to us from their table.

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    *Many of God's "tests" are little more than entrapment. Create a flawed creature, then place temptation in front of him. Were the poor to be in the rich man's place, would they behave differently? And if God is keeping them poor so wealth doesn't corrupt them, then why not do that with the rich? Is it fair to reward one and punish the other when it is God's doing that determined how they would behave? The big question, however, is to what extent are we truly responsible for our behaviour? Inherited genes & brain structures influence our behaviour, along with environment and socialisation. Although we are aware of our actions and appear to have free choice, there are underlying forces we are not conscious of, that deeply influence our behaviour. It is far from certain to what degree free-will - in a literal sense - exists. At best it is limited, at worst it is simply an illusion. God's "tests" and "punishments" are already flawed and cruelly excessive - but in view of the limited nature of "free-will" - they are also pointless.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #96 - September 24, 2014, 09:28 PM

    There are so many things in this world that make one doubt the existence of a "Most-Merciful" & a thousand Most Mercifuls on top of that! The "problem of evil" is only one of them. But faith impairs our critical ability & judgment to the extent that some consider a bitter broth, to be delicious drink and a meagre crumb a sumptuous feast for which we cannot thank God enough. There is also the promise of the life to come and all the joys & pleasures that await us there, to keep our resolve strong.

    Indeed the most happy promise - the promise of heaven - is not just to console and delight the naive, rather, this promise has occupied philosophers and thinkers throughout the ages. They have theorised about it, researched every corner of it, deliberated over its meanings, and employed all their abilities to establish its reality. Why? Because they are like the the rest of God's servants. They too have a strong personal interest in the realisation of this promise and enjoying its delights. In this aspect they agree with all other religions, despite differing in minor details and particulars.

    Yes, God has chosen for mankind a life of humiliation and destitution so that people won't disbelieve in "The Merciful." Then in order to correct that which is corrupt, straighten that which is bent and remedy the deficiency that he created, he has ordered us to give to the poor and made it compulsory to help them, as though we are responsible for the failings of his plan and not he who possesses; "The treasures of the heavens and the earth." And if we don't, then woe to us!! Thus the ball is thrown in our court while God shirks his responsibility to the creatures he chose to create. He doesn't want to make people one nation, enjoying a comfortable life with the absence of exploitation. The polytheists of Mecca refused to feed the poor or be generous to them or spend on them and they gave a compelling reason: "When it is said to them, spend from the sustenance God has given you, those who disbelieve say to those who believe: Shall we feed the one who if God had willed he could have fed him?!" (36:45-46) Now while one can fault their humanity, one cannot fault their reasoning. As usual, God in the Qur'an doesn't respond to them, no, he suffices with simply recording their objection as a way to mock, belittle & reject what they say, without actually offering any proper reason why they are wrong. He then goes on to firmly enshrine inequality & division amongst mankind.

    So God has restricted the comfortable life to a fortunate few and divided the rest of mankind into different classes and factions with empty stomachs, pale faces, sunken eyes and protruding bones, then cast them into never ending whirlpools of war and conflicts over land, resources and food. So a world of justice, comfort and plenty is a bad thing, while poverty, begging, and destitution is a good thing - and this is so that people don't disbelieve in "The Merciful."  Bravo! To the Merciful and those who disbelieve! Blessed are the wrongdoers and tyrants!

    Heaven colludes with the earth to cheat mankind and cause one man to extort from another, and create inequalities between a man and his fellow. So that man will not disbelieve in; "The Merciful." It's for the benefit of man, if you can believe that! As for inequality, discrimination, walking skeletons - this is all a test to purify and examine hearts: "To test you so that we know who are the ones who strive (in God's path) and who are patient." (31:47) As for the fat-cats who disbelieve in the Merciful: "Gradually we lure them on from whence they know not." (7:182 & 68:44) This is the logic of the Qur'an. Poor mankind, my heart breaks for him.

    "God has favoured some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favoured do not give away their sustenance to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect, is it then the favour of God which they deny?" (16:71) So God has favoured a lucky minority and tossed crumbs to the rest. "And he has given you sustenance from all the wholesome things!" (16:72) By no means is this true! God has not given all of us this. No, he has allowed the fat-cats to monopolise it and made us their servants. If they they feel like it they throw us a scrap, but if not, then praise be to God who is the only one praised for something bad.

    And what wholesome things are these that no sooner are they ripe than huge armies of insects, maggots, and bugs flock to them!? If it were true that God created these wholesome foods just for us* to the exclusion of the rest of the creatures, then they would be free from such pests. If God does, as he claims, feeds us these things then he would protect them from spoiling or being eaten. Isn't the truth of the matter that others share with us in these things? If God wants us to believe that he truly created the good things for us, why didn't he bestow them only on humans so we can see that he truly did create everything just for us, as he claims? Who knows? Perhaps he tells the maggots, insects and other animals that feed on the good things, that he that made these things just for them. Perhaps these poor little creatures believe it. In this way God gets more praise & acknowledgement - each group of creatures thinking God created everything just for them. If only we could speak to them like Sulayman was able to speak to the birds, then we could expose God's little game and divide things between us.

    Yet despite all this God says in the clear-meaning verses: "He gives you everything you ask for. But if you count the favours of God, never will you be able to number them. Verily, man is given up to injustice and ingratitude." (14:34) God gives us everything we ask for, but man is ungrateful for the gifts of God according to him Most Sublime: "Is it the blessing of God that you deny?" (16:70) God gives us everything we ask for? Really? He gives the few fat-cats everything they ask for, but as for the rest of us hapless chumps, he just enslaves us to a life-time of service to those fat-cats who don't believe in him:

    "We have raised some above others in rank so that some of them may take others as subservient to them." (43:32)

    We are at their mercy. If they give us a little, we thank God, but if they don't give us anything we have no recourse other than to confide our misery to God, for there is no barrier between God and his oppressed servant.** Although barrier or no barrier, the result is the same. We are abandoned to the fate God ordained for us: "It is We who apportion between them their livelihoods in this life." (43:32)

    These fat-cats are our rulers & bosses, our sultans and kings, they monopolise power & authority throughout our lives and it is our religious duty to obey them and never rebel against them: "O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Messenger, and those in authority from among you." (4:59)

    In any case: "The things that you worship besides God have no power to give you sustenance. So seek sustenance from God." Yet when we ask God for sustenance, he doesn't answer us. So what is the difference between him and that which they worship besides him? "Say who gives you sustenance from the heaven and the earth?" (10:31) Well, let me reply: "No one!" Or at the very least: "I don't know!" For experience, evidence, and reality of life all point to the conclusion that we feed ourselves. Through our own efforts and hard work and if circumstances are so bad that we aren't able to feed ourselves then we either die or emigrate to another country.

    Indeed the famines that grip much of the third world are not far from us. As for God, he has other things that occupy him rather than us. Did he not say: "Indeed the creation of the heavens & earth is a greater (matter) than the creation of mankind." (40:57) So mountains are more important than we are, for God is more concerned with size than substance. We hear a lot about the treasures of God: "With God are the treasures of Heaven & Earth." (63:7) But they are just to pamper his spoiled favourites, while ignoring the poor, the starving and the destitute - as a test, so that he can expose the wicked ones who dare object or oppose his wisdom, for: "He is not to be questioned about what he does, but it is they who will be questioned." (21:23)


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    *Islam, like Christianity and other religions, places man at the centre of the universe. All creation is for him.

    **A reference to the prophetic hadith: اتق دعوة المظلوم ، فإنها ليس بينها وبين الله حجاب "Fear the prayer of the oppressed one, for between it and God there is no barrier."
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #97 - September 25, 2014, 09:18 PM

    Chapter 5

    Part Six

    There is no Victory Except from God

    May God curse the polytheists for; "They have taken gods other than He, in order that they be given victory but they are not able to give them victory." (36:74-75)

    It is God alone who is able to do that. But is this true? Today we have believing Muslims who have taken the one true God as their god, ascribing no partner to him, in order that they be given victory, yet does God help us achieve victory? Even at the prophet's time did God give the Muslims victory in the battle of Uhud? No, and that was at the time of the prophet with him present. But that didn't make the slightest difference. For neither God nor many gods is able to give victory to one who is going to lose. Even if they are helpers to each other. God is only able to give victory to the one who is going to win, i.e. those who are not in need of help to achieve victory, not from God, idols or humans. This verse also appears in another form:

    "Why did those whom they had chosen for gods as a way of approach (unto God) not help them? Nay, but they did fail them utterly. And that was their lie, and what they used to invent." (46:28)

    But by the same token; Why didn't God help those who worshipped him alone associating no partner with him, at the battle of Uhud or today in the many battles we have fought against Israel? 'Nay, but he did fail them utterly,' just as the idols failed the polytheists. So why didn't he help them to victory if victory really does come from him?!

    As always God has his excuses and if he hasn't got excuses then we give him excuses. In the battle of Hunayn which the Muslims eventually won, the Muslims were at first being defeated and began to flee. The Qur'an explains why God didn't help the Muslims. It was because the Muslims were pleased at their great numbers - that's why!!

    "Assuredly God has helped you in many battle-fields. While on the day of Hunayn: Behold! You were pleased at your great numbers. But it didn't profit you at all, and (instead) the earth became narrow upon you, despite its spaciousness. Then you turned back in flight." (9:25)

    So being pleased with great numbers is the reason for their defeat, then. Have you seen an excuse for a defeat more strange than this one? Or more ridiculous? Being pleased at the great number is being pleased with oneself and being pleased with oneself is a crime that cannot be forgiven. Who said? Lord of the worlds. Is that reasonable? For the believer, anything is reasonable as long as it says so in the Qur'an.

    The Muslims only gained victory after that when God sent the angels down: "Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers. (9:26)

    Do you see how the Qur'an undermines man's self-confidence and lose hope in his own abilities!? Do you see how it erodes his self-belief and crushes his spirit and how it compels man to instead place all his hopes and faith in something else that cannot hurt nor benefit? Do you see the total denial of human endeavour and how man is robbed of all competency? So that he becomes weak and fearful unless he is clinging to God's hand?

    God in the Qur'an wants to wipe out anything called "I" and obliterate any trace of "me", so that he alone is the only one who can do anything or can have any effect, without any consideration for his "Deputy" (خليفة) on earth, which is supposed to be the pinnacle of creation, and yet is robbed of any agency of his own, and reduced to a slave who "hears & obeys." Perhaps God forgot that he asked the angels to bow down to him. God in the Qur'an only wants to humiliate man and crush him and to kill off any sense of pride and dignity. He wants from him pure & total slavish servitude. Nay! That was why God created him: "And we have not created Man & Jinn, except that they worship* me." (51:56) Slavery is slavery. Whether it is to God or to man or to an idol, because in every case, slavery destroys the spirit and robs man of his humanity.

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    *It is important here to note that the verb the Qur'an always uses for "worship" is: عبد يعبد which is worship as a slave, and the word "slave" (عبد) comes from this verb.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #98 - September 26, 2014, 09:27 PM

    The strange thing is that all the verses of the Qur'an take this tone. The tone of complete slavery to God and that God alone makes everything happen. Man is stripped of any power to do or change anything. A typical example of God's depreciation of man's of efforts and crushing of his will, is in his saying, Most High concerning the victory at Badr:

    "You did not kill them, but God killed them, and you didn't shoot the arrows when you shot, but got shot them." (8:17)

    The Muslims had sacrificed their lives, their homes, their sons and everything they posses, yet despite that, they cannot take any credit for this victory. All the credit goes to God, and those poor wretches fall for it, for blind-faith is stronger than self-belief.

    Yes, they believe that God gave them victory. They believe that were it not for God's help, if it were not for the drama of the green turbaned* angels that swooped down to save them, they would have turned and fled in defeat. But God aided them with his victory and sent them armies they couldn't see so that the word of God should be highest and the word of those who disbelieve the lowest:

    "Allah had helped you at Badr, when ye were a contemptible little force; then fear Allah; that you may show your gratitude. Remember you said to the Faithful: "Is it not enough for you that Allah should help you with three thousand angels, sent down? Nay, but if you remain firm, and act aright, even if the enemy should rush here on you suddenly, your Lord would help you with five thousand angels Making a terrific onslaught. Allah made it but a message of hope for you, and an assurance to your hearts. There is no help except from Allah. The Exalted, the Wise. (3:123-126)

    The truth is that the battle of Badr was won through resolve, endeavour and sacrifice. It is one of the decisive moments that decided the fate of Islam. But despite this God in the Qur'an wants us to believe that it is he alone who gave the Muslims victory. Instead of appreciating the great efforts made by the Muslims and giving their efforts the recognition it is due, he stamps all over it with his two feet so as to kill of any notion of autonomy and turn them into puppets that he moves. So if they are victorious, then it is by his grace and his mercy!! For there is no victory except from him. As for their efforts, endeavour and striving, these are insignificant things that do not deserve to be appreciated by him. On the contrary it is they who must show appreciation and gratitude to him. Since he did them the favour of granting them victory, while they are nothing without him.
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    *See: Al-Sira Al-Halabiya" by Burhan al-din al-Halabi, Volume 2, p. 241. Quote: "During the battle of Badr, the angels wore white turbans whose ends they let hang down their backs, except Gabriel who wore a yellow turban and some say; red. Some say they wore green turbans, some wore yellow turbans, some wore red turbans and some wore white turbans and some wore black turbans, so there is no contradiction. It is mentioned that the turban worn by Gabriel - upon who be peace - when he drowned Pharaoh, was black."
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #99 - September 28, 2014, 04:20 PM

    Note the word; "contemptible"(أذلة) in the last verse. Read the verse again. Also the words; "that you may show your gratitude." They undermine the self-worth & belittle those who just achieved an extraordinary victory. However the Muslims meekly affirm God's bounty upon them: "Indeed God is full of bounty to mankind, but most of do not give thanks." (10:60)

    It was God who gave the Egyptians victory against the Mongols in the battle of 'Ain Jalut* and it was God who gave Saladin victory against the crusaders. In fact God is behind every victory throughout history, including non-Muslim victories. So he gave victory to the Europeans during their period of colonial expansion. It was God who gave victory to the allies against Hitler. It was God who gave America victory against Japan in Hiroshima. It is God who gave Israel victory over us in the June War** and it is God who gave us victory in the October War.**

    As for human efforts and endeavour and scientific progress and the huge machines of war and atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan - all that is inconsequential. The only thing that matters is the support and aid from God. So God has nothing to do other than cause so-and-so to be subjugated by so-and-so, and give victory to so-and-so at the expense of so-and-so. We are merely pawns in God's chess game.

    I wonder, could God have helped the the Africans against the European colonial powers? Or the Native Americans against the settlers? Is God able to help us today against Israel? I wonder why he didn't give us victory against them? If it is true what it says in the previous verse: "There is no Victory Except from God!" which confines victory to God alone?!

    If it is true that victory rests upon God's will alone, and not according to factors such as size of an army, training or weapons, then why hasn't God given us victory over Israel and give himself a break from the incessant pleading and begging supplications made every friday from Minbars of mosques all over the world and repeated daily in houses and gatherings, to give victory to the Muslims over the unbelievers, and to disperse their unity, and destroy their buildings, and make orphans of their children and make them and that which they possess as spoils for the Muslims!? Those poor Friday Preachers, they have worn out their vocal chords, and their throats are dry and sore, yet God never replies. But that won't stop them.

    The truth is that victory has its reasons and its causes. If they are present then it results in victory. Whether God wills it or not. While if they are not present then neither One God nor fifty Gods on top of that will be able to bring about victory. I wish I knew what is left for God to do when one army has all the necessary requirements for victory, while the other army has none. When the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, was God able to put out the fire like he did with the fire of Abraham that his enemies lit? God - Glory be his name - said: "We said, "O Fire! be thou cool, and (a means of) safety for Abraham!" Was God not able to do that to the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Or could God extinguish the inferno that Israel brought down upon us in southern Lebanon? Or continues to pour down upon us in Gaza? No, of course not, for the story of Abraham and others like it are just legends and myths on paper. In reality, when the grand claims of the Qur'an are put to the test, they are exposed as fake and fraudulent.***

    The Jews in the Qur'an have known since early times that any victory they achieve in any battle they wage in the path of God, the credit goes to God alone, or at the very least he takes most of credit. As for defeat, they deserve it and it is because of them alone. They are responsible for it because of what their hands have earned. It appears that hearing the sort of demoralising and self-defeating words that we have looked at, has imprinted itself into their consciousness. For that reason they refused Moses command to go and fight the giants in the Holy Land. They argued that since victory is from God then let God go and fight them. They have a point!

    They despaired of fighting because in all cases it's a no-win situation that will backfire upon them alone regardless of whether they are victorious or defeated, for they know how God works very well since they are more experienced and have had a closer relationship with him historically. For that reason when Moses asked them to go into the Holy land that God had decreed for them, they said:

    "O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here." (5:22-24)

    Since God takes all the credit in a victory, especially seeing as these people are fearsome giants, then why bother fighting when the outcome is known in advance!?

    That is the reasoning of the Jews in the Qur'an. But as for us Arabs, we are not so clever nor experienced with God as the Jews. No, our only concern is pleasing God, and Jihad in his path even though the only thing we reap from this Jihad is thin air. But we continue waging Jihad, no matter what the outcomes. We renounce all stake & desire for this world for the sake of victory or martyrdom!!

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    *Ain Jalut, was a battle between the Mamluks of Egypt and the Mongols in 1260 in the southeastern Galilee. It ended with a Mamluk victory and it was the first time the Mongols were decisively defeated. It marked the end of Mongol expansion into Islamic lands.

    **The June War refers to the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli war this ended in a decisive victory to Israel. The October war refers to the 1973 Arab-Israeli war. After initial advances by both Egypt and Syria, Israel pushed them back to Damascus in Syria and Suez in Egypt. The war ended with a UN brokered ceasefire. Egyptians celebrate this war as a victory, despite the fact they were pushed back by Israel. It did however cause some in Israel to conclude that they might not always dominate the Arab states militarily - particularly Egypt, and so it helped pave the way for peace negotiations between Israel & Egypt which saw the Sinai returned and Egypt's recognition of Israel.

    ***I can't help thinking of the scene from "The Wizard of Oz" when Dorothy and her companions return having completed everything Oz demanded of them, (even though he didn't think they would.) They enter the presence of the Great & Powerful Oz, trembling and with their voices shaking ask him to fulfil the promises he made to them. At this point Oz starts to make excuses and says he has to think about it and they should come back tomorrow. But Dorothy insists he fulfil his part of the bargain, because they have fulfilled theirs. While this is going on her dog pulls the curtain away revealing that the Great & Powerful Oz is nothing more than a cheap con-artist. He does however tell them that they don't need to ask any Great & Powerful Being for anything, because the qualities they seek, they already possess and everything they have achieved is the result of their own intelligence, bravery and endeavour.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #100 - September 29, 2014, 09:46 PM

    Chapter 5

    Part Seven

    God Crams Himself into Everything

    God in the Qur'an is the creator of everything, the cause of everything and the mover of everything. Nothing happens in this world without his will, his knowledge and his permission. He interferes in everything big or small. No matter how trivial. Despite the fact that so much in this world is a direct result of man's actions, nevertheless God in the Qur'an insists on cramming himself into them. He constantly reminds us that the favour and blessing in everything is due to his mercy, permission and will. There is no agent but he. No mover but he. He is the cause of causes. Nay, he is the only cause! The conqueror of causes, the disabler of causes, the enabler of causes that don't cause causes or prevent the action of causes!!

    This is actually the doctrine of the Asharite* school in Islam. The greatest exponent of this doctrine was Hujjatu-l-Islam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali. Ghazali believed that God almighty wills all things and plans all things. Nothing happens in the universe, whether few or plenty, small or big, good or evil, benefit or harm, faith or disbelief, knowledge or denial, success or failure, increase or loss, obedience or disobedience - except that it is by his will, his decree and his wisdom. Whatever he wills happens and whatever he does not will doesn't happen. Not even the blink of an eye or a slip of the mind is outside his will. He is the one who begins and repeats. The doer of whatever he wants. Nothing can prevent his command and nothing stands in the way of his decree. There is no escape from his clasp except by his grace and mercy. The servant cannot obey or disobey except by his will. If man and Jinn, angels and Shayaateen, all got together in the world to make a single atom move or not move - without his will - they will not be able to.

    God's will in Ghazali's view encompasses the whole of creation entirely, from man, animal, plants, minerals and all the elements. Nothing can prevent his will, nor can any creature act outside of what his will has decreed. Everything in this world happens only because of his will. Without any consideration to natural laws or requirements of cause and effect. God alone is the law of the universe: "He regulates affairs from the heaven to the earth." (32:5) He is the Subtle the Open-handed. The ways are his ways, and the laws are his doing and his creation. He controls them according to his wisdom and he directs them as he wishes. This interference and presence in everything is blessing upon blessing and a favour he bestows upon us so that he is close to us and we are close to him: "And whatever favour is (bestowed) on you it is from God." (16:53)
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    *The Ash‘arite school is a school of Kalam (theology) founded by Abu al-Hasan al-Ash‘ari (d.936). It arose in opposition to Mu'tazilite Kalam and soon established itself as the dominant school of Kalam. Ash‘arite doctrines came to be synonymous with mainstream, orthodox Sunni Islam. Modern day Salafis, however, are highly critical of Ash'arites. Note: This is a school of Kalam/theology and not to be confused with a school (Mathhab) of law - of which there are 4 main Sunni Mathhabs. Al-Ash'ari himself followed the Hanbali Mathhab.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #101 - October 06, 2014, 09:59 PM

    God's blessings upon man are countless & limitless and although they are restricted to a fortunate few, while others are deprived, this is just by way of temptation & trail: "So that those who perish may perish after a clear proof (has been given), and those who live may live after a clear proof (has been given)." (8:42) For it is through patience in the face of adversity that one reveals the true mettle of man: "That we may test you so that we know those of you who strive and those who are patient." (47:31)

    In the logic of religion everything can be explained. Everything can be dressed-up with fine words and captivating promises. It is often said that if God has denied anyone wealth he has given him health and well-being in exchange. This is a magnificent blessing for which the blessed should thank he who blessed him, glory be to him. But I wish I knew what value this blessing has to those who live below substance level - and that is if it is actually true that they enjoy good health, never mind that this justification ignores those with sunken eyes, pale faces and skin stuck to bones. If you find such people still alive it's only because the death rate amongst them is so great that Sayiduna Azrael*, peace be upon him, cannot respond quickly enough to all the requests, so (show) beautiful patience** for in a little while, God willing, Azrael will knock at every door of those left behind, sooner or later, and they will be transported to the mighty companion in the heavens. A little patience and all the dreams will come true.

    1. It is God - not diseases or germs - that cause life or death: "There is no God but he, who gives life and brings death, your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers." (44:8 ) It appears that sometimes God himself directly brings death: "God it is that causes to die the souls at the time of their death." (39:42) Though at other times he delegates that to messengers or angels specialised in taking the souls of the servants: "Until when death comes to one of you, our messengers cause him to die and they neglect not." (6:61)

    The name "Azrael" doesn't appear in the Qur'an. Instead the words "angel of death" are used: "Say: The angel of death, who is given charge of you, shall cause you to die." (32:11) Assisting him in this arduous task, when the pressure get's too much for him, are other angels who thankfully share the work with him: "Those whom the angels cause to die in a good state, saying: Peace be on you." (16:32)

    2. Just as God in the Qur'an is the one who gives life and takes life, either directly himself, or by way of delegation, likewise it is he himself who makes someone wealthy or poor and not laws of cause and effect. He gives and withholds, and he is the mighty the one who grants: "It is He who enriches and gives to hold." (53:48) Meaning it is he who makes people rich with wealth and gives them that which they take as acquisitions and treasure: "It is Allah that causes (you) want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return." (2:245) So there is no point in the striving of mankind, for sustenance has already been apportioned and struggle decreed and God is behind every endeavour and purpose.

    3. Nothing in this world whether high or low, grows & extends or withers & fades, celebrated or forgotten, any nation that rises or falls, is mighty or humiliated, except that its fate rests upon the will of God and his decree: "And whomsoever We cause to live long, We reduce (him) to an abject state in constitution; do they not then understand?" (36:68) So he is the one who makes people live long and the one who makes them decrepit and bent-over. He gives kingdoms to who he wills and takes it away from who he wills, he makes who he wills mighty and strong and he abases and humbles who he wills: "Say: O Allah, Master of the Kingdom! You give the kingdom to whomsoever you please and take away the kingdom from whomsoever you please, and you exalt whom you please and abase whomever you please in your hand is the good; Verily, you have power over all things." (3:26)

    4. "And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas, lofty as mountains." (55:24) So it is he - not the ships or animals - that carry us along on land and sea: "And surely We have honoured the children of Adam, and We carry them in the land and the sea." (17:70) He carried us and our children: "And a Sign for them is that We bore their offspring in the laden ship." (36:41) It is God - not the wind, sails nor oars - that make the ship go upon the water: "Your Lord is He Who speeds the ships for you in the sea that you may seek of His grace; surely He is ever Merciful to you." (17:66)

    So if it is true that it is God who carries us on land and sea then how come we fall or drown or suffer so many disasters!? When I carry my son I am not careless with him. I take utmost care not to expose him to danger. But God it seems doesn't take care of us and just hurls us into dangers and disasters, sometimes in the name of testing us and sometimes in the name of temptation and sometimes in the name of what our hands earned. If we are fortunate enough to survive then it is God who saved us. If we have one eye then thank God he saved the other. If we are blind, thank God he saved the other senses. If we die, then "Every soul will taste of death." (3:185) Every time we suffer misfortune, God just showers us with promises of the hereafter and tells us to be patient. "And seek help through patience and prayer, and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones." (2:45)

    There's always an excuse, a justification, a get-out-clause, a promise, while he sits on his throne watching in amusement and not lifting a finger. It is said to the polytheists while they are on the brink of the abyss: "Call upon your partners, so they call them, but they do not answer them." (28:64) And it is said to the believers while they struggle upon the waves of a stormy sea: "Who is it who answers the distressed one when he calls on Him, and removes the evil?" So they call upon him but he just ignores them even though amongst them are women and children, old and the sick. Deafness in both cases, whether idols or the creator. Both groups (polytheists & believers) are abandoned by that which they worship. If not then please enlighten me if you know!!
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    *Azrael (عزرائيل) comes from Hebrew meaning; "one who helps God" and is the name traditionally given to the angel of death in Islam, though it doesn't appear in either Qur'an or prophetic hadith. It is used, however, by of some of the Tabi'un, (followers/successors, i.e. those who came after the prophet died but were contemporary with some companions of the prophet,) such as Hasan al-Basri.

    **See Qur'an 70:5 & 12:18.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #102 - October 08, 2014, 11:27 PM

    5. Just as God subjugated boats that travel on sea by his command - not by our command - likewise he has subjugated animals* for us: "(God) who has created pairs in all things, and has made for you ships and cattle on which you ride, so that you may firmly sit on their backs, then remember the favour of your Lord when you are firmly seated thereon, and say: Glory be to Him Who made this subservient to us, and we were not able to do it." (43:12-13)

    God has created the animals not only so that we can ride them, but so that we can eat them and benefit from them in other ways: "Do they not see that We have created cattle for them, out of what Our hands have made, so they are their masters? And We have subjugated them to them, so some of them they have to ride upon, and some of them they eat. And they have (other) benefits from them (besides), and they get (milk) to drink. Will they not then be grateful?" (36:71-73) There are humans that eat insects, rats, cats, carrion, and snakes, so did God subjugate them for them also?

    Ghazali mentioned in some of his writings that he knows of people who eat mud. So has this mud been subjugated for them? Or is it that God refuses to cede any ground to man except that he has to involve himself in it and be the one who granted it as a favour to man. Even though man does not achieve what he achieves except after bitter experiences, long suffering and painful trials and tribulations. How many people have died because they couldn't distinguish between that which is edible and that which is poisonous, between the beneficial and the toxic. As the saying goes; "Where some find harmful things, others find benefits." So in such cases did God subjugate these things for man? Where is God when man makes a discovery? Is it the case that whenever man discovers benefits in something, God discovers a way to take the credit for its bestowal. Has it really been subjugated just for man? What about those who discover that something contains great harm!? Doesn't all this just point to the fact that God in the Qur'an refuses to recognise, nor want, nor tolerate that human endeavour be given any credit. As though man is his bitterest enemy rather than his 'vicegerent' on earth?!

    6. Even the sperm in a woman's uterus is not spared God's intrusion & interference. Without any consideration of the strength or weakness of the sperm, fertility or impotence or their enormous struggle, in competition with the billions of other sperm, to reach and fertilise the ovum. "He it is who begins and repeats, the forgiving the loving, owner of the majestic throne, doer of all he wants." (85:14-15) So it is he alone that determines whether the child will be male or female according to his will, Glory be to him: "He creates whatever he wants and bestows female to whomever he wants and bestows male to whomever he wants. Or He mingles them, males and females, and He makes barren whom He pleases. Lo! He is Knower, Powerful." (42:49-50) So male is male because God made it so and female is female because God made it so and the barren is barren because God wanted it so regardless of any biological or environmental factors that affect fertility and infertility.

    Did he not grant Zakariya his son, Yahya, despite the fact that his wife was infertile? God simply cured her infertility and made her able to conceive: "And (remember) Zakariya, when he cried to his Lord: "O my Lord! leave me not childless, and thou art the best of inheritors. So We responded to him: and We granted him Yahya: We cured his wife's (Barrenness) for him. These (three) were ever quick in emulation in good works; they used to call on Us with love and reverence, and humble themselves before Us." (21:89-90)

    Nor was that restricted to only Zakariya, but before that God also responded to his friend Ibrahim:

    "There came Our messengers to Abraham with glad tidings. They said, "Peace!" He answered, "Peace!" and hastened to entertain them with a roasted calf. But when he saw their hands went not towards the (meal), he felt some mistrust of them, and conceived a fear of them. They said: "Fear not: We have been sent against the people of Lut. And his wife was standing (there), and she laughed: But we gave her glad tidings of Isaac, and after him, of Jacob. She said: "Alas for me! shall I bear a child, seeing I am an old woman, and my husband here is an old man? That would indeed be a wonderful thing! They said: "Dost thou wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o ye people of the house! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!" (11:69-73)

    Indeed God is able to do all things. But only in the past and in the tales of the ancients. Woe to that "good news", for it brought us the forces of evil. The friends of God and his beloved ones, the tribe of Israel!


    *Islam, like many other religions, paints a picture of the world that God created  instantaneously, exactly as we see it now. The animals, fruits, crops all perfectly engineered, ready for man to use. However modern evolutionary science paints quite a different picture. Both the plants and animals we use today, evolved from wild species. It is only through man's intervention and actions that the fruit, crops and animals we know today have developed by selectively breeding them in captivity. It is man's action that changed the course of evolution by artificial selection, which over hundreds & thousands of years has resulted in the domesticated breeds we know today. The earliest archeological evidence we have of domesticated animals & crops dates from around 10,000 BC.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #103 - October 10, 2014, 07:02 PM

    7. Have you forgotten the rain? It is the greatest of Gods gifts to his servants in this world. Since without it there would be no life at all, for there is no life without water: "And we made from water every living thing." (21:30) So of course God is going to stuff himself here completely no-holds-barred. As usual and without any regard for natural laws, God sends rain down from the sky, not because warm moist air cools causing condensation and then rain, but because God has sent it down to wherever he wishes and to whoever he wishes and he withholds it from whoever he wishes. The universe is his universe, he controls everything, he has no partner in his dominion, nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation*.

    Since God inserts himself into the actions of man and these are purposeful actions subject to man's own will, then of course you can be sure he is going to insert himself into acts of nature: "It is He Who sends down water from the skies: with it We produce vegetation of all kinds: from some We produce green (foliage), out of which We produce grain, heaped up, out of the date-palm and its sheaths are clusters (of dates) hanging low and near: and gardens of grapes, and olives, and pomegranates, alike and unlike, behold the fruit of it when it yields the fruit and the ripening of it; most surely there are signs in this for a people who believe." (6:99)

    If it weren't for the fact that rain falls according to well-defined and observable natural laws governing how, when and where there is moisture in atmosphere and processes of evaporation, condensation, geography and so on - then this might actually be an amazing sign. For example if God made the rain fall in conditions that contradicted natural laws so that there were never droughts nor floods, but exactly the right amount of rain to make everywhere fertile and producing these fruits and crops for everyone - regardless of the lack of the correct geographical zone, weather, climate, soil & other natural conditions, then yes, this would indeed be a great sign.** But as it is it is no more a sign than saying God populates and makes desolate, saves and doesn't save, gives life and takes life, in other words covering all bases - where is the sign in that? So rain doesn't fall according to natural laws but according to the will of God: "Do you not see that Allah sends down water from the sky, then makes it go along in the earth in springs, then brings forth therewith herbage of various colours, then it withers so that you see it becoming yellow, then He makes it dry up and crumble away? Most surely there is a reminder in this for the men of understanding." (39:21)

    This is how he sends down the rain, and brings forth fruit. He causes springs to gush forth, and he leads water to dry land: "Have they not seen how We lead the water to the barren land and therewith bring forth crops whereof their cattle eat, and they themselves? Will they not then see?" (32:27) Though he forgot to mention that he also leads the water to boggy swamps and shanty towns where the poorest of the poor & most wretched live, where the water God led there causes mud slides and ground collapses or sweeps away dwellings and drowns the weak and helpless. God forgot to mention how he keeps increasing the rain as rivers burst their banks and communities lose what little they had and countless lives are destroyed. God also forgot to mention that he withholds the rain in other places causing a drought in a land where there is no grain heaped up nor pomegranates. Only listless shadows waiting for Azrael to take them to the happy place they have been promised.

    If God does mention any of this it is only by way of a stick & carrot. In this case the destruction that rain brings is the result of what people's hands have earned. Even though those who suffer from disasters caused by rain & floods are usually the poor, the weak, and the sick. As for the rich and strong, God rarely allows harm to touch them no matter how much their hands have earned. They are his favourites, his cherished sons his pampered ones. Like Israel the spoilt daughter of America. The rest are just terrorists and so we can ignore all the injustices. God must increase the hunger of the starving and increase the wealth of the fat cats.

    This is the law of the jungle. The law that; "might is right," whether in heaven or on earth, it's just the same - God help us! Let one group be happy and let another taste bitter fate and don't let anyone stretch their eyes to what one group enjoys over another. Let one group accept their lot patiently, while the other hasten to fulfil their every desire, while God knows what is best for each group: "It may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is bad for you, but Allah knows, while you do not know." (2:216)  So poverty, disease, famine, stagnant open sewers in shanty towns are better for the inhabitants of these places. As for the others: "Step by step we gradually lead them on from whence they know not." (7:182)

    So the meaning of this is that God in the Qur'an only speaks about the positive kind of 'subjugation' which makes him look good and paints him as the benefactor and the one who grants favours upon us. As for the negative type of 'subjugation' - if the at is the right word - i.e. the one that brings harm & destruction, the Qur'an never mentions it except when talking about testing man through trial & tribulation. Of course God in the Qur'an doesn't mention it since it is an argument against him, not for him. So, of course, he didn't bestow upon us the the poisonous snakes, scorpions, malaria mosquitos or fleas carrying plague, nor all the diseases, infections, bacteria and viruses, nor all the disasters and tragedies that are too many to count throughout history. No. Complete silence, like the silence of the dark.

    However, even the latter (negative phenomena) can be explained away in the logic of religion using the usual way of whitewash and gloss in the books of tafseer and Sufi sayings. Defending them by inventing all sorts of justifications and profound wisdoms which lay behind them. So they are either a test and a trial, or the result of what people's hands earned, or expiation for sins and mis-deeds, whose punishment is brought forward in this life so they can be paid for now in this life, so that one would not feel any fear as he goes over*** the fire of Hell on his way to paradise: "Not one of you, but will pass over it." (19:71)  So he who crosses safely, crosses safely, and he who falls down, falls down. May God protect us from it and make us of those who are saved and accepted. He is all-hearing, always-responding.


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    *Reference to Qur'an: 17:111

    **The Qur'an repeatedly uses natural phenomena, like rain, as 'proof' of God. Yet God could have made rain happen without any discoverable natural laws. Instead he chose to make it subject to very precise and observable laws of nature so, for example, a desert region will get less rainfall than a temperate zone. Then after having made everything subject to these laws, God in the Qur'an then points to them saying they are a 'sign' of God and that he controls them and sends them where he wants. Yet if God had really wanted to place rain and other phenomena directly under his control & as a 'sign' of God, he could have done that by making them happen miraculously whenever and wherever he wished with no observable natural laws at play. Why do it this way then claim they under his direct control and a 'sign' of his existence? The answer perhaps is that in ancient times man was not fully aware of the natural laws that governed the elements and so they would have seemed to be happening miraculously and under the direct control of God. Which is why natural phenomena were a very convincing argument for God in the past. Rain appeared to bring the desert magically to life rather than it being because of dormant seeds hidden in the sand, blown there by the wind. A tornado was seen as an act of an angry God rather than the collision of warm and cool air. Lightning was retribution from the heavens rather than an electrical discharge between a cloud and the ground. Despite the fact that we know better today, this argument is still used. It is the argument from design which put simply is; 'look at the amazing complex world around you, it must have been created by a very wise and very powerful creator.' Firstly even if the premise were true it certainly doesn't support the claims of any specific religion. Secondly, given how much bad and/or malevolent design there appears to be in the world, it is just as likely to have been designed by a committee of confused, flawed and/or wicked gods than a single, all-wise & all-powerful god. Also the fact that the world is complex and amazing only poses a question, it doesn't provide an answer. By arguing that it must have been created by a wise and powerful being only raises more questions. Where is this being? Why did he do it? Who created him? If he is uncreated then this answer is something that lies outside human logic and reason, in which case any answer can be postulated. The truth is that the there will always be things we don't understand, but that is not in itself proof of a God.

    ***According to hadith there is a narrow bridge called Al-Sirat, that crosses over Hell, that must be crossed in order to reach paradise. Some will cross easily, but others will slip and fall into the fire below. Narrated by Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: We, the companions of the Prophet said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the bridge?' He said, "It is a slippery (bridge) on which there are clamps and (Hooks like) a thorny seed that is wide at one side and narrow at the other and has thorns with bent ends. Such a thorny seed is found in Najd and is called As-Sa'dan. Some of the believers will cross the bridge as quickly as the wink of an eye, some others as quick as lightning, a strong wind, fast horses or she-camels. So some will be safe without any harm; some will be safe after receiving some scratches, and some will fall down into Hell. The last person will cross by being dragged over the bridge." (Sahih Bukhari- Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532)
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #104 - October 11, 2014, 06:26 PM

    8. The powerful person is powerful because God granted him power, not because he applied the requirements of power. He, Glory to him, is able to withdraw this power from him at any time if he falls into disobedience or strays from the straight path and not when the person abandons the requirements of this power: "Do they not see how many a generation We have destroyed before them, whom We had established in the earth as We have not established you, for whom We poured out rain from the skies in abundance, and We made the rivers to flow beneath them, then We destroyed them on account of their sins and raised up after them another generation." (6:6)

    However the truth is that God only grants power to the powerful i.e. he who doesn't need to be granted power. God never gives power to the powerless. God establishes those who are established and ignores those in most desperate need. In other words God does nothing. Why treat us like fools? He does that in order to claim a power that isn't his and bestow a favour upon he who does not need him to do so.

    Look at the way he - Most high - crams himself into an affair which by the Qur'an's own admission was accomplished quite independently of him, Glory be to him: "God does not change the condition of a people until they change their own condition." (13:11) Meaning that God will not change the people until after they change!? So what is left for God to do then? The only thing that is important is that God claims his fixed share even in that which he has no share. If there is no share for him, then he will prize it out by force and what will be, will be!

    9. Stranger than this is that God created the stars for us to be guided by. We who have existed only in the last five seconds of the life of the stars, measured by billions of years: "And He it is Who has made the stars for you that you may guide yourselves in the darkness of the land and the sea; truly We have detailed Our signs for people who know." (6:97) Were all these stars created just for man? Bearing in mind the naked eye can only see a small portion of the stars of our own galaxy, never mind the all stars of the countless galaxies that stretch beyond, that even the most powerful ultraviolet & infrared telescopes can only glimpse a tiny fraction of. Each single star a massive sun, many dwarfing our own sun. If it truly is the case that God created all this just for man on this tiny planet that is just a speck in the vastness of space, then how dear must man be to God. How precious is he is. Thank you God for these stars that fill our bellies with food. That cure us from disease. That enable us to fulfil all our needs. That has filled our lives with joy and well being! "He gives you everything you ask Him for. If you try to count the favours of God, never will you be able to number them. Verily, man is very unjust and ungrateful." (14:34)

    So Glory be to you oh bestower of favours, giver of good, and blessings to all people and races and nations!! All these stars that you created for us, do they satisfy hunger? Quench thirst? Remove oppression? Save the desperate? Shield one from evil? Would that you had bestowed on us something to satisfy hunger. Or assuage thirst, and that you would bring justice instead of oppression. If not, then all these stars do not amount to a morsel of food in the mouth of the starving!!

    A tiny fraction of light, from a tiny fraction of stars reaches us, while beyond that there are suns we shall never see light up the surface of planets we will never know. Did God create all this for us? Why did God, Glory be to Him, choose this tiny grain of sand to single out for all his bounties and favours? Does that mean that the inhabitants of other planets - if there are any - will be deprived of the light of these stars that God made exclusively for our benefit on earth? In which case how will these others guide themselves? And if we are one day able to reach one of these planets, will we be unable to guide ourselves by the stars that God made just for us on earth? Or if we move to another planet do we lose our right to be guided by these stars? Or will we be able to retain this right by virtue of the fact that we are expats - former earth residents.

    I only ask these questions so that we can get to the bottom of this, and would humbly seek the opinion of the experts in these matters to give us their opinion. I think it would be better if those experts be of a high level of research and study and combine the sciences of religion and the sciences of the world. Material sciences and spiritual sciences. May God make their footsteps firm and allow us to benefit from their baraka, indeed he is the all-hearing, ever-answering!

    Of course the truth is that this verse merely depicts the ancient geocentric Ptolemaic cosmology current at the time and rather than speaking in scientific terms, it is speaking in a poetic, mystical, and fanciful style. It's author has no idea of the limitless universe that is sprinkled with billions upon billions of galaxies and black holes. The universe according to this verse is a small canopy with earth occupying its centre. The sun and other planets rotate around the earth - and the moon is one of these planets. One sun, one moon, that's the universe! As for the sky it is just a roof sprinkled with stars to guide the people of the earth in the darkness of land and sea. This view of the universe is closed and narrow, it looks pleasing to those who behold, and satisfies them in their small world.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #105 - October 12, 2014, 08:52 PM

    10. Just as God in the Qur'an generously bestows upon us the gift of the stars he also bestows upon us another amazing gift; the gift of lengthening shade. It is of course well known that any tangible materiel body that is put in front of the sun, or any source of light, will leave a shadow. This shadow will vary in length depending on the position of the sun. This matter is very clear and I don't think anyone will doubt it or need it explaining to them. But despite this, God in the Qur'an, turns it into a gift that requires gratitude from us. As though we are children who will believe everything that is said to us: "Have you not turned your vision to your Lord, how He extends the shade? And had he wished he could certainly have made it stationary; then We have made the sun an indication of it. Then we draw it in towards Ourselves, taking little by little." (25:45-46)

    Notice the words; "had he wished he could certainly have made it stationary." Is that possible? If the shadow is stationary that means the sun stops and is stationary. As it did for the prophet, peace be upon him, on the day of al-Isra' awl Mi'raj when he was taken up to heaven. In fact as it also stopped for Joshua ibn Nun according to what is related in the Torah. When the sun stopped and the universes stood still by the order issued by the creator of the universes!

    11. If you have earned some money, don't you dare say that you own this money. The money is God's money which he has put you in charge charge of for a while. It is an "amana" (trust) around your neck and damn all those who insult God by thinking differently to that. May God curse Qarun who claimed that he had amassed his wealth by virtue of his own abilities, skills and knowledge of the ways of good business and trade: "Surely Qarun was of the people of Moses; but he acted insolently towards them: such were the treasures We had bestowed on him that their very keys would have been a burden to a body of strong men. Behold, his people said to him: Do not celebrate, for Allah does not love those who celebrate (their riches). But seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on you, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget your portion in this world, and do good, as Allah has been good to you, and do not seek to make mischief in the land for Allah loves not those who do mischief. He said: "This has been given to me because of a certain knowledge which I have." Did he not know that Allah had destroyed, before him, (whole) generations, which were superior to him in strength and greater in the amount (of riches) they had collected? but the wicked are not called (immediately) to account for their sins." (28:76-78)

    Did you see this insolence to God? Saying he earned his wealth through his own efforts and being happy about it!? What a nerve!? So what was the result? "So We caused the earth to swallow him and his house and he had no-one to help him against Allah, nor could he help himself. (28:81) But this land collapse that swallowed him up was not far-reaching. No, it was limited to only to the area around him and his house and did not extend beyond that. So the others there praised God and said gratefully: "Had it not been that Allah was gracious to us, He could have caused the earth to swallow us up!" (28:82) In this is a warning for those who reflect.

    12. Similar to that also, in the sense of undermining self-confidence and human ability and accusing man of rejecting divine bounty and gifts, is what is related in his saying, Most High, when he denounces mankind for being ungrateful for the mercy of his Lord after receiving it and having evil removed from him: "When we give him a taste of some Mercy from Ourselves, after some adversity has touched him, he is sure to say, "This is due to me." (41:50) Yes due to me! Meaning; my hard work, my effort and God has nothing to do with it. If it wasn't for my efforts, perseverance, striving and my self-belief and my ability to act and effect things, and my reliance upon the law of cause and effect in order to deal with what faces me in life, my condition would never change. In fact it would just get worse. By my life I swear that denying me this is a blackmail I will not accept nor permit. For it seeks to rob me of my efforts, strip me of my initiative, my ability to act and behave as I choose. My ability to think for myself and take a position on the events that surround me. Indeed God in the Qur'an wants to strip me of that which is most precious to me, my very being, my raison d'être!

    If you live in a place beware of saying that you yourself made it comfortable to live in or furnished it yourself. For it is God who is the landlord of your flat or house and he built and furnished it. You are just a tool in his hand to do with as he pleases. Whether it is a house made of bricks or a tent made of skins: "It is Allah Who made your habitations homes of rest and quiet for you; and made for you, out of the skins of animals, (tents for) dwellings, which ye find so light (and handy) when ye travel and when you pitch camp. And of their wool and their fur and their hair (He has given you) household stuff and a provision for a time." (16:80)
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #106 - October 13, 2014, 10:29 PM

    13. Do not suppose that cure from diseases is subject to the doctor and the medicine he prescribes for you. God is the one who cures. How wicked is the ill person who thinks that the doctor is the one who cures. For it is God who created us and guides us. He feeds us and gives us to drink and he cures us of illness and he causes us to die then brings us to life and we hope he will forgive our sins: "Who created me, and it is He Who guides me, Who gives me food and drink, And when I am sick, He heals me, Who will cause me to die, and then give me life, And who, I hope, will forgive me my sins on the day of Judgment." (26:78-82) Just as: "In the Qur'an is that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe." (16:82) So then seek cures in their proper places if you are believers, with God and his mighty book, for he is the best of physicians!

    "And when I am sick, He heals me." Is that true? Even posing such a question seems absurd. Just as God doesn't give victory except to the one who achieves victory himself, likewise he doesn't cure anyone except the one who can be cured. For no amount of Gods can cure a sick person whose illness is incurable, has no antidote and is beyond the ability of the experts. Especially in those days. Did God cure Ibrahim* the son of his most beloved, Al-Mustafa (the chosen one), peace and blessings be upon him, who's eyes overflowed with tears as he looked upon his son, his own flesh and blood, dying in his arms without God showing him any pity or consideration due to his prophethood?!! If he had recovered as many people do from common ailments, then revelation would have descended from heaven about it and it would have been one of his miracles that prove the truth of his prophethood.

    What can I say? Was God able to remove the effect of the poison that the Jewish woman slipped him to see the truth of his prophethood, reasoning that if he was a true prophet of God the poison wouldn't harm him, but if not then it will quicken death. Thus it was that poison was the reason for his last illness and death 3 years after that occurred as its effects did not leave him. So who deserves to be cured more than a prophet who is challenged about his prophethood by enemies? But despite this God - as he always does - did not lift a finger to silence the enemies or prevent their derision & ridicule of the one who speaks on his behalf!

    If God had cured him it would have been the miracle of miracles and many 'clear verses' would have been revealed about it. Likewise if God had cured his son Ibrahim it could have been a great miracle and sign. Plus it would have prevented the awful schism between Sunnis & Shi'a. There would be none of the bloody conflicts that we have suffered from for so long and continue to suffer from today causing the most severe crisis amongst Muslims. So praise be to God who no-one is praise about something bad other than he. The creator of the earth and creator of the heavens!!!

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    *Ibrahim was Muhammad's son born to Maria al-Qibtiyya in 630. At the age of one and half, he became very ill and died.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #107 - October 14, 2014, 02:10 PM

    14. If you want to be amazed then marvel at the whale of Yunus (Jonah), upon him be peace: "And Yunus was most surely of the messengers. When he fled unto the laden ship. And then drew lots and was of those rejected. Then the big Fish did swallow him, while he was blameworthy. But had it not been that he was of those who glorify (Us), he would certainly have remained in its belly until the day when they are raised. But We cast him out onto the naked shore in a state of sickness" (37:139-145) I am not concerned with the main content of the verse, whether it talks about an actual historical incident or whether it is just a myth. I am only interested here in the words; "We cast him out" meaning 'we threw him' even though the one that threw him was in fact the whale, not God. This is, by my life, the strangest example of God inserting himself into that which has nothing to do with him. The only important thing is that he must have a share - in fact he has all the shares in everything that happens in this universe, he monopolises the shares and does not leave a single share for anyone else. As for us humans we get no mention and no part in anything!

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    This is just a brief picture, that I hope makes clear what I am getting at under the title: God Crams Himself into Everything. God it is who gives life and takes life, he is the cause of riches and poverty. Nothing in this world rises nor falls, moves or is still, except by his doing and influence. He it is that carries us "on land and sea", and if aeroplanes were known at the time of the prophet then he would have added "and by air." It is he who subjugated the animals so we can ride them and eat them. No woman can conceive except by his will, nor be barren except by his knowledge. Nor does the rain fall except by his doing. There is no power but his power. Nations do not rise except by his doing, but if you disobey and go against his command then don't blame anyone but yourself, for the one who warns is free of blame.

    So what does all this show us? Is there a denial of human endeavour greater than this? Is there anything that destroys personal initiative & invention more than this? Is mankind anything more than just chess pieces that God moves wherever he wills like the winds and clouds that are under his control between heaven and earth?

    God in the Qur'an is not satisfied with stripping man of his industry and own efforts, but he also strips things from the natural laws that govern them. All of that is confined to God according to his will that controls and has power over everything and in his hands are the reins of everything! There is no law in nature apart from the law of his will. No action, apart from the action of his will: "And he is not to be questioned about what he does, they are to be questioned." (21:23)

    Doesn't this just point to an absolute dictatorship, arbitrary and capricious in nature rather than following observable laws of nature and cause & effect. A dictatorship that has no basis to work by, no "institutions" by which to rein in the randomness, nor control the arbitrariness, that trim it's nails and directs it on the right course.

    As for that which comes in the Qur'an that confirms man's ability to earn, make effort, that is only ever mentioned in connection to his responsibility for blameworthy and punishable acts that deserves retribution. As for deserving reward, man is never given credit for that. For no-one will enter paradise due to his deeds, even the prophet, but only as a favour from God and due to his generosity. It is a blessing that he bestows upon man and that he can give to anyone he wants and withhold it from whoever he wants: "Surely He it is Who originates and reproduces, And He is the Forgiving, the Loving, Lord of the Throne of Glory, the doer of whatever he wants." (85:13-16)
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #108 - October 15, 2014, 09:19 PM

    Chapter 5

    Part Eight

    "God is the Conqueror over his Slaves"

    This verse (where the above title is taken, 6:61) is perhaps the truest of all verses and corresponds most closely with God in the Qur'an. In fact perhaps the truest form of this description is the one that appears in the more emphatic format of al-Qahhar (القهار), meaning the one who utterly conquers and forcefully subdues, humbles and suppresses: "Say: Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Mighty Conqueror." (13:16) This emphatic form is repeated six times in the Qur'an.( 8 ) As for the first verse (where it appears as al-Qahir القاهر ) that is only repeated twice.(9) For that reason the more emphatic form of completely conquering & forcefully subduing and suppressing is the one that most suits God and better expresses his nature than just subduing.

    Having said that one should be cautious and wary, for the Qur'an, as we shall see, is in love with over-overblown & intimidating language, it loves dramatising, generalising and exaggerating everything it talks about. This is one of the most important reasons for the huge gap between the God on paper which is imposing, intimidating and involved in everything that happens and the reality of God on earth who is absent from everything and never lifts a finger and who's only concern is that we follow rules & perform rituals. It is within these boundaries that the image of God is formed in the Qur'an.

    1. "He is the Conqueror over his Slaves" (6:61) Amongst the essential elements of Qahr قهر (conquering, forceful subjugation), is domination, control and imposing one's will by force. Woe to anyone who dares to challenge God's will for there must be no debate, no discussion and no opposition to God's orders, just obey or burn.

    2. Qahr قهر means to conquer and coerce, absolute mastery & control by force. It is the overriding characteristic of God's relationship with man. He created us, so he has the right to be "The Conqueror" over us: "Say: "Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Mighty Conqueror." (13:16) Indeed God has alerted us and warned us of a terrible fate so we cannot blame anyone but ourselves: "Say I am only a warner, and there is no god save Allah, the One, the Mighty Conqueror." (38:65)

    3. How severe is this Qahr: "On the day when the earth shall be changed into a different earth, and the heavens (as well), and they shall come forth to Allah, the One, the Mighty Conqueror. You will see the guilty that day bound together in chains, their clothes made of pitch* and the fire covering their faces. That Allah may requite each soul according to what it has earned and verily Allah is swift in calling to account. Here is a Message for mankind: Let them take warning from it, and let them know that He is One God and let men of understanding take heed." (14:48-52)

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    8. 12:39, 13:16, 14:48, 38:65, 39:4, 40:16.
    9. 6:18 & 61.
    * قطران is pitch or tar i.e. a very flammable sticky resin. I once had the misfortune to get a drop of hot tar from a log I was burning on to my skin. Although it was only a tiny drop and not as hot as it could have been, it still caused enormous pain and what made it worse was that it stuck to my skin and so my efforts to remove it only caused me more pain. I cannot imagine how painful it would be to be clothed completely in tar while being burnt in fire. No human being would inflict such terrible torture on another human being, apart from perhaps the most sadistic and most barbaric of tyrants.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #109 - October 16, 2014, 10:02 PM

    4. There is no god but he, free from having a partner and son: "Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whoever he pleases from those he created, but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Mighty Conqueror." (39:4) Why not when he is the Lord of the heavens and the earth: "Say: Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth? Say: (It is) Allah. Say: Do ye then take as protectors other than Him, such as have no power to either benefit nor harm themselves?" Say: "Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?" Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created like He has created, so that the creation seemed similar to them? Say: "Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Mighty Conqueror." (13:16)

    Consult your heart and conscience: "Are many lords differing among themselves better, or The One, The Mighty Conqueror? Those whom you worship beside Him are just names which you have named, you and your fathers. God has sent down no authority for them. Judgment is only with God, who has commanded that you worship none save Him. This is the right religion, but most men know not." (12:39-40)

    So forceful subjugation (قهر ) is amongst the attributes of God, and as we mentioned it means "domination/control" (الهيمنة) and this is also itself one of God's attributes and "Al-Muhaymin" (المهيمن) is one of Gods beautiful names: "He is Allah, besides Whom there is no god; the King, the Holy, the Peace, the Granter of security, the Dominant/the Controlling, the Mighty, the Compeller, The Arrogant, Glory be to God from that which they ascribe as partners." (59:23)

    The justification for القهر (forceful subjugation) and الهيمنة (domination) is simply that he created us and so can do as he pleases. He has warned us through his prophets and messengers, so we cannot blame anyone but ourselves. There is no controller but he, he has no partner and to him is the end of all. As for anyone else, they can't do anything, while he is able to do everything. There is no judgment but his judgment. No object of worship but him, but most people don't know.

    5. Another feature of القهر (forceful subjugation) and الهيمنة (domination) is denial of the other's rights. Denial of his right to be consulted, denial of his right to question or discuss, denial of his his right to act or hold an opinion. The Qur'an often does this by ridicule, mocking or just simply by refraining from responding as well as applying adjectives and descriptions that depreciate, belittle, discredit and criminalise him. It destroys his initiative and enterprise. So that it become a lesson for those who take heed! He must accept everything that is dictated upon him either willingly or by force: "And [mention] when We raised the mountain above them as if it was a canopy and they were certain that it would fall upon them, [and Allah said], "Take what We have given you with determination and remember what is in it that you might fear Allah."." (7:171)

    The narrative here is concerning the quarrelsome Jews who resisted Moses and resisted taking the covenant. So God raised the mountain up from its root, over them as though it was a canopy or roof, until they were sure that it was going to fall upon them if they didn't accept the laws of the Torah. The mountain in this case is Mount Sinai: "And [recall] when We took your covenant, [O Children of Israel, to abide by the Torah] and We raised over you the mount, [saying], "Take what We have given you with determination." (2:63 & 93) He didn't leave them any option despite the fact they were not convinced and had doubts about what had been revealed to them. They must believe whether they like it or not!!

    Why should God insist on interfering in the personal matters of conscience that are amongst the most precious parts of a human being as a self-aware being and amongst his natural rights? Moses did everything he could to guide them but they did not follow. So God forced them to accept what Moses had brought them through threats, intimidation and the point of a sword - or mountain in this case. So is this considered to be "belief" in the eyes of God's law? What kind of belief is that? Man must have his will crushed and his spirit snuffed out. If he doesn't want to enter the sheep enclosure with the other animals, he must be forced in.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #110 - October 17, 2014, 10:14 PM

    Messengers were sent to the people of Noah, Ad and Thamud and those that came after, with clear signs, i.e. "irrefutable" evidences, proofs and confirmation. Yet they weren't convinced, in fact they disbelieved in them and that is their right. But God in the Qur'an cannot tolerate the word "No". They must believe in the clear signs or lack of clear signs - no matter what! If not, then woe to them.

    As for miracles, God bestows them on some of the messengers but withholds them from others. To him belongs the authority and he has power over all things. God in the Qur'an not only failed Muhammad in that he did not grant him any miracles but he also failed some of the previous prophets. Does that encourage people to believe? Or does such a selective and dictatorial approach imposed by force, just create doubts. They disbelieved in their prophets and as a result of this disbelief, the disbelievers were destroyed and punished. Even though the fault is not their fault. The fault lies with the shortcomings of the evidence and it's lack of support with miracles:

    "Their messengers said: Is there doubt about Allah… They said: You are nothing but mortals like us… bring us therefore some clear authority. Their messengers said to them: We are nothing but mortals like yourselves, but Allah bestows (His) favours on whom He pleases of His servants, and we can't bring you an authority except by Allah's permission…  certainly we must bear with patience your persecution of us; and on Allah should the reliant rely… So their Lord revealed to them: Most certainly We will destroy the unjust." (14:10-14)

    6. In such conditions there is only one choice and that is to bow to oppression and surrender your right to choose for yourself. "And your Lord creates whatever he wants and he chooses, they do not have the choice, Glory be to God above that which they ascribe." (28:68) Even though the context here refers to the polytheists, condemning them for their actions, that doesn't mean that its implication is confined to them only. On the contrary it applies to believers as well as unbelievers: "It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error." (33:36)

    This verse was revealed - as they say in Islamic terminology - concerning Zainab Bint Jahsh who was one of the noble women of Mecca, when the prophet forcibly married her to his ward & adopted son Zaid ibn Haritha. She rebelled against this marriage which God had imposed upon her by force without taking into account her feelings. The result was that this marriage failed miserably despite the command having been revealed from heaven which at that time was the highest source of authority in the world. For that reason the inevitable happened; divorce.

    7. God does not cease warning the Muslims about going against that which he has chosen for them, even when that which he has chosen is bad for them and not in their interest as we saw in the case of the previous verse. They must submit entirely and let God and his prophet be the judge in all their affairs: "But no, by the Lord, they do not believe! Until they make you the judge in all disputes between them." (4:65) But the matter doesn't end there, oh no! They must also not even feel irritated or harbour reservations in that which God and his prophet decree, for all that is haram - even your private thoughts & feelings about the matter are policed. For that reason the verse continues by saying: "And then find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction." By my life this is the height of control and oppression. Is there after this oppression, any more oppression? But then amongst his "most beautiful names" is The Controller (المهيمن) and The Conqueror (القاهر) - nay, the Mighty Conqueror (القهار)!?

    Absolute submission to "The Conqueror over his servants" and unconditional acquiescence to his control. His word is the law that must be carried out. There is no appeal against his decision and no overturning his sentence. There is no loss except upon the rejecters and there are no miracles or magic: "Whoever turns away - then indeed, Allah is the Free of need, the Praiseworthy." (60:6) That is the straight religion. "So whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." (18:29) "As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord." (2:26) "And Our punishment cannot be repelled from the people who are criminals." (12:110) So the common man and simple folk - especially the poor and helpless - respond to the call to Islam without question simply by just listening to the Qur'an and hadith of the prophet.

    8. But there remained a category that resisted, those who were obstinate & stubborn. For they had put their hand upon the point of weakness at which they could criticise Islam and that was it's complete lack of miracles and the refusal of the prophet to produce any miracles apart from the miracle of the Qur'an, even though it is a myth, yet it has stolen the hearts of many great minds as well lesser ones.

    Yet the skeptical opposition continued challenging the prophet. It doesn't want empty linguistic miracles. It insisted he brought real miracles from God that could verify his prophet. Miracles like those of past prophets who were given miracles, the ones that the Qur'an itself relates. They don't want a miracle of "word" but a miracle of "action." It appears that the prophet was troubled by this request and it annoyed him every time they insisted upon him producing a miracle.*

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    *The amount of times this question is answered in different ways in the Qur'an would certainly suggest it was a question that played on Muhammad's mind. For example:

    "They say, 'We will not believe thee till you make a spring to gush forth from the earth for us, Or [until] you have a garden of palm tress and grapes and make rivers gush forth abundantly all amongst it, Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring God and the angels as a surety, or till you have a house of gold ornament, or till you go up into heaven; and we will not believe thy going up till thou bring down on us a book that we may read. Say: 'Glory be to my Lord. Am I aught but a mortal, a Messenger?" (17:90-93)

    Yet when the truth came to them from Ourselves, they said, 'Why has he not been given the like of that Moses was given?' But they, did they not disbelieve also in what Moses was given aforetime? They said, 'A pair of sorceries mutually supporting each other.' They said, 'We disbelieve both." (28:48)

    "And they that know not say, 'Why does God not speak to us? Why does a sign not come to us?' So spoke those before them as these men say; their hearts are much alike. Yet We have made clear the signs unto a people who are sure. (2:118)

    "Yet if thou shouldst bring to those that have been given the Book every sign, they will not follow thy direction; thou art not a follower of their direction" (2:145)

    "They also say, 'Why has no sign been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'Surely God is able to send down a sign, but most of them know not." (6:37)

    "They have sworn by God the most earnest oaths if a sign comes to them they will believe in it. Say: 'Signs are only with God.' What will make you realise that, when it comes, they will not believe?" (6:109)

    "They say, 'Why has a sign not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'The Unseen belongs only to God. Then watch and wait; I shall be with you watching and waiting." (10:20)

    "The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art only a warner, and a guide to every people." (13:7)

    "They say: Why has not a treasure been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are ONLY a warner; and Allah is custodian over all things. (11:12)

    "The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides to Him all who are penitent." 13:27

    "Naught prevented Us from sending the signs but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten." (17:59)
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #111 - October 18, 2014, 07:46 PM

    9. God in the Qur'an does not tolerate "the other", nor will he stand for any opposition from "the other" as we have seen. For "the other" is like a partner which negates the absolute oneness of God, Most High. Even if this partner is a wife or a son. For a partner is an equal and God does not want equals, he only wants slaves. He only created man and Jinn so that they would be slaves: "And I have not created Jinn and man except that they worship me." (51:56) This state of slavery is not confined to this world, but continues into the next life also: "There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a slave." (19:93) And here God pours contempt upon this "other" who dares challenge him.

    10. God in the Qur'an has a plan which he wants to impose by coercion. In other words by force as far as possible and by consent as little as possible. Woe betide anyone who refuses to bow his will! But blessed be:- "Those who listen to speech and follow the best of it." (39:18) This is the nature of eastern tyrants exactly! No discussion. No response to their objections. Total neglect of the needs of the people. Lavishly rewarding sycophants, while brutally repressing those who dare to question!

    11. God in the Qur'an cannot even tolerate questions from the angels. God's position is always the same, whether the one objecting is human or angel - ignore, mock, belittle and refuse to respond, even if the objection has later proven to be correct: "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not." (2:30) He, Glory be to Him, just shut them up and did not reply to their question. Instead he just said I know what you don't, even though events have since proven that all their fears were correct. It doesn't matter, for there is no questioning his wisdom. He is: "The doer of whatever he wants.) (11:106 & 85:16) This is the reality of الهيمنة (domination/control) without whitewash, spin nor twisting the truth and this is the fact of القهر (forceful subjugation) without mincing words.

    12. One of the strange things is that God in the Qur'an is not accommodating to anyone in the way he is to Iblees. He allows him to debate and discuss with him at great length in a way he didn't permit the angels to, even though they are close to him. In fact Iblees even puts forward a suggestion of his own which is met with God's immediate approval, even though God warns him and those who follow him of the most dire consequences and most severe types of punishment:

    "When your Lord said to the angels; Surely I am going to create a mortal from dust: So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down making prostration to him. And the angels did prostrate, all of them. But not Iblis: he was proud and he was one of the unbelievers. He said: O Iblis! what prevented you that you should prostrate to him whom I created with My two hands? Are you proud or are you of the exalted ones? He said: I am better than he; Thou hast created me of fire, and him Thou didst create of dust. He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away: And surely My curse is on you to the day of judgment. He said: My Lord! then respite me to the day that they are raised. He said: Surely you are of the respited ones. Till the period of the time made known. He said: Then by Thy Might I will surely make them live an evil life, all. Except Thy servants from among them, the purified ones. He said: The truth then is and the truth do I speak: That I will most certainly fill hell with you and with those among them who follow you, all." (38:71-85)
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #112 - October 20, 2014, 08:20 PM

    Chapter 5

    Part 9

    With God, man must stay within his limit.

    Remember your origins oh mankind. Don't forget that you are from mud. Nay! You are from contemptible fluid: "Have We not created you from a despicable fluid?" (77:20) So don't get too big for your boots, because God doesn't need you!! Know your place and stay within your limit, and know your bounds:

    "And do not go about in the land joyfully, for you will never cut through the earth and you will never reach the mountains in height. (17:37)

    Why this demoralising? Why this crushing of ambition? Is this just because he said "No?" Yes, he "will never reach the mountains in height," but he has travelled through space. His spaceships have reached the outer edges of our solar system on their way to other stars. Doesn't this count as a great achievement? Or perhaps he - Most High - didn't know that this little upstart would one day storm his secret chamber in the heavens?

    As for the "sealing"* and the "deafness" and "the veil" that caused such controversy between Islamic thinkers and was the basis of the division between the early scholars of kalam into Mu'tazilites and 'Ash'arites. And as for the accusations of being animals, planks of wood, cowards and filth and similar sorts of descriptions and accusations that the Qur'an hurls at those who dare oppose it. As for all those words - they must not be taken literally.

    There is no sealing and no compelling as Jahm Ibn Safwan and his school believed. Firstly, these words come under the classification of God cramming himself into everything in the typical style of the Qur'an which limits cause and effect to God alone who has no partner. Secondly they are also a convenient way of dodging the objections of the skeptics, avoiding having to give a proper response to the opposition and meeting their arguments and proofs with stronger ones.

    In fact most of the objections and demands of the polytheists were right as we have seen more than once. This is something that the Qur'an does not want to admit to its audience. So it described their skepticism and rejection as God placing a "seal" on their hearts and a "deafness" in their ears and so on… But this wasn't enough and so it hurls insults and abuse at them, calling them worst of creatures and worse than cattle, planks of wood and cowards. In fact it describes them using extremely ugly language that does not befit the speech of God, not to mention that it is applied to human beings who, as the Qur'an itself acknowledges, are his vicegerents on his earth. This word is "Filth" (نجس).

    They are the making of his own hands so where did this "Filth" come from? It's like those who don't have a proper response to their opponent and can only resort to bad language and insults. It is the last resort of the bankrupt, who have nothing else to offer other than a foul mouth instead, of displaying self-control, self-restraint, avoiding emotional outbursts and meeting reasoned argument with reasoned argument.

    In order to hide these flaws, which are devoid of objectivity and common sense and to conceal the inability to acknowledge the superiority of the other's argument and their sound reasoning, it was necessary to invent a supreme authority and absolute source being behind the objections and lack of belief that allowed them to be raised. They happened because of God's decree, which is aware of everything. (i.e. The reason the unbelievers don't believe is because God sealed their hearts etc… and not because they had any good arguments or reasons.) Nothing can overturn his judgment and nothing can repel his command. Nothing escapes his will or eternal decree that precedes all things.
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    *The Qur'an in several places states that God has set a seal over some people's hearts, placed deafness in some people's ears and a veil over some people's eyes. For example: (2:7) (6:25) It also throws insults at those who refuse to believe, for example: (98:6) (8:55) (7:179) (7:176) (63:4)
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #113 - October 21, 2014, 03:59 PM

    A big name - in the view of those who are taken by names - steals the limelight from the lesser name, no matter how good those other names are. In other words what the Qur'an relates in the way of evidence is not evidence, but the fact it is attributed to God is sufficient to counter all evidence, in the view of the believers. In fact it completely destroys the substance of every other evidence.

    In this way it encourages the receiver to accept everything that is presented to him while encouraging him to disdain every conclusion it doesn't want him to draw. Otherwise Muslims would not have remained fourteen centuries seriously and earnestly debating whether man in the Qur'an is Musayyir (predestined) or Mukhayyir (able to choose freely) and what is the final position of the Qur'an in respect of this endless whirlpool, (i.e. the question of free-will & predestination.)

    Thus attention and scrutiny was drawn away from the real motives and impulses* that lurk behind this whirlpool and instead became fixated on the superficial and trivial matters that have distracted them from everything that is practical, positive and productive. And drowned them in the deep abyss of sterile questions and continuous empty wrangling amongst Azharite** scholars that have no point nor conclusion. After all that, are you surprised that until now they haven't reached a conclusion.

    Or to put it another way, the big question that the polytheists raised was: Why was the prophet unable to bring even one single miracle from amongst the many miracles that the Qur'an itself claimed were bestowed upon previous prophets and yet were denied to his chosen one, his beloved, the "Seal of the prophets", and chief of the messengers? They didn't believe that the Qur'an was the great miracle of the prophet despite the Qur'an's challenge to them to bring the like of it… They didn't deny the eloquence of the Qur'an and the strength of it's rhetoric - and they were themselves masters of eloquence & rhetoric - but it was not skilful words that would persuade them - at least in this matter. What would persuade them was skilful action, achievement and miraculous deeds. They didn't ask for a linguistic miracle, even though they loved the art of fine speech, but not in a matter such as this. What they wanted was a real miracle like those that the Qur'an itself mentions were attributed to previous prophets so as to remove their doubts and put an end to their questions. 

    One cannot produce the exact likeness of any great work of art - not just the Qur'an. That is the nature of masterpieces. Great works cannot be imitated or replicated precisely. If they could then they wouldn't be masterpieces. The great masterpieces throughout history have not been created by gods or prophets. On the contrary they have been created by human beings who eat food and walk in markets. What am I saying? Although one cannot bring the same as these masterpieces, one certainly can bring something better than it. But the aura that surrounds a masterpiece always places it above human ability to imitate and makes that which might actually be better than it, an eyesore when placed beside it and of inferior status to it. That might not have been what the polytheists of Mecca actually said, but that is certainly what was in their mind during their struggle with Muhammad.

    The problem with Islam, and perhaps it's bad luck, is that it is the only one of the "divine" religions to appear in the light of history. It was enacted at a real time & place and cannot escape, not for one moment, from the course of real history and as we know, real history does not corroborated miracles or supernatural events. Such things remain the domain of myths & legends of pre-history. They belong to a distant past that accommodated that which history does not accommodate.

    I am talking now, from the position of the present looking back at the past, about this amazing malleable time, this putty that can be shaped and moulded, this dough that hands can twist, bend and flip over, however they like. In this dough there wasn't a difference between possible and impossible, between reasonable and unreasonable. The line between what was real and what was not real shifted about and was not fixed and stable.

    In this flexible boundary events shifted and the shapes they took were elaborated on and passed around. Don't ask about what these events were. This is where myths began and on this fertile soil legends blossomed. If you looked back there, you would see a world of myths where there was no boundary between what was possible and what was impossible. Between the reasonable and the unreasonable. Such was the age of miracles, overflowing with clear signs.

    It is to this beautiful age, that took pride in visions and colourful myths, that the religions refer when they narrate to us the strangest of tales and most irrational of fables. They are it's bread and butter, source of inspiration, and root of its attraction. No religion is free from such stories. For it's pearls every creed dives. Each diver coming back with a precious catch. There is no law, no limit, no logic in the age of miracles. But everything changed with the age of Islam in so far as limits now appeared, and laws began to take their place in the universe, in logic and in minds.

    Times had changed and moved on. Thus everything takes its place in the scheme of what's possible and what's impossible. And this is a fixed immovable and strict scheme that doesn't shift. Whereas before everything shifted in the ages of "anything-goes" and randomness which was subject to the whims of gods and their desires. But from now on everything must submit to the laws of logic and reason and cannot escape from it after today.

    In the past God was: "His order if he wants something, is but be and it is." (36:82) But when time moved on and changed, everything had to follow rules and so they run by the order of God the creator of the universe. From now on "Everything with Him is according to a fixed measure." (13:8 ) Following: "The way/method (سنة) of God, and you will not find with God's way/method a change." (33:62) So no miracles after today. "And you will find no change to God's way/method." (35:43)

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    *The author is arguing that the real motive for the Qur'an stating that God has misguided, sealed hearts, made ears deaf etc… has nothing to do with deep philosophical questions of free-will and predestination as Muslims later spent centuries debating, but simply due to Muhammad's desire to distract attention away from the valid objections of the polytheists and Jews who questioned and doubted Muhammad, by attributing their behaviour to God making them 'blind' to the truth, which meant their objections could be sidestepped rather than dealt with. The author is arguing that the great Muslim scholars - although possessed of great minds - were entranced by the belief the Qur'an was God's word and so have not been able to examine Qur'an with a critical eye as they would any other human text. Instead they became distracted with debates that attributed divine importance to the words rather than seeing the far more mundane, human reasons behind the words.

    **Azharite, is a religious scholar who studied at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, which is considered by many to be the supreme religious authority of Sunni Islam.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #114 - October 21, 2014, 11:09 PM

    In conclusion, when the Qur'an speaks of the seal on the heart and hearing and veil over the eyes, it has nothing to do with the question of free-will & predestination, similar to when it applies the most ugly of accusations to opponents and describes them using adjectives which reveal a lack of objectivity and also a vengeful & emotional reaction to criticism that has hit a nerve, which I thought the Qur'an would be above in terms of using such language to describe opponents.

    But all that is just a secondary and an unintended outcome. What was intended was to turn attention away from the merits of the opponents arguments and the strength of their opposition in comparison to the stance of the Qur'an which was less than expected (as the "speech go God") in an attempt to surround and contain these stubborn opponents before their danger spreads. This was in order to create a smokescreen around them so they can't see and they can't be seen by others. The most important thing is to shut them up in whatever way possible. For the wood is still green and the plant is still fresh and any damage could make it wilt and die. For most fires are started from small sparks!!
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #115 - October 22, 2014, 07:49 PM

    Chapter 5

    Part 10

    An Ineffective God.

    Everything that occurs to your mind - that is what God is not! It's not true that God created Adam in his image and his likeness as the Torah says(10), for if he was then he would not be a wolf walking on the earth, or at the least, a pig delighting in dirt and filth. Instead he would be an angel hovering in the sky and taking his place in paradise wherever he wishes. In fact it is more appropriate to say that man created God in his image and likeness and then, since the beginning of creation, attributed descriptions and actions to him that should never have been ascribed to him in any way at all. On the contrary he must be entirely freed & cleansed of such anthropomorphisms. God is not a Muslim, nor a Christian, nor a Jew. These religions are our religions. They are of our making, and they have been created according to our limits & flaws. God has nothing to do with any of them.

    God is a concept - and like all concepts - it is a creation of the human mind and the product of human consciousness that seeks to explain how he and the world came into being, to explain its causes and sources. Likewise religion is a concept that man invented as a result of contemplation on his life as an individual and within his society, and as a result of contemplating his mortality and what lies beyond death.

    This is incidental to whether there actually is a God or not or whether religion is true or not. Man has a need to assert himself and function freely and resourcefully without allowing any outside force - whatever it is - to steal or rob him of his will. Nor allow anything to come between him and achieving the purpose of his existence.

    In my opinion, I think we do God a great injustice if we perceive him the way the Qur'an presents him. Boiling with fury one moment, content & well-pleased another and then angry & enraged again - just like a human being. If it is true that there really is a God, and it is something I cannot totally discount, then would that I knew; where is he? I wonder where could he be? If it's not possible to answer this question which I shouldn't even ask - then where is the evidence for God?

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    10. Genesis 1:27
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #116 - October 23, 2014, 05:58 PM

    Not one person has seen God nor heard his voice. Not one of the founders of modern science has come across any evidence of God. If anyone does make such a claim, it is only an opinion and a theory - and opinions are just opinions. They only apply to the one who holds them, and even then they may change their mind later. Opinion is the seat of dispute as al-Ghazali says.(11) However Science is about testable evidence that can be independently confirmed and corroborated or disproven and rejected. If God had wanted he could have made his existence abundantly clear, testable and provable.

    Why does God hide from us and then make it compulsory that we believe in him? Why does he threaten those who don't confirm that he exists, with doom, destruction and terrible calamities? The truth is that it is the vulnerability of human nature, the rumination of the mind and flights of imagination that have created the concept of God. In early times this concept had a ring of truth, if not more. How terrifying, ugly and cruel the world was without God. How weak and helpless man was without God.

    If the world wasn't brimming with gods, angels & supernatural beings to help us and give us meaning and destiny, then there was no meaning to life at all. In this case the world would just be a ghastly prison - no, a terrifying grave. Myth & reality, religion & magic, were all one and the same and indistinguishable to early man, who performed rituals or offered sacrifices to appease gods and win their favour in the battle to survive. These myths and gods all had one origin, they all came from the same source and that is the human mind. This amazing organ was our best advantage in this fearsome and brutal world. It enables us to develop intelligence and conscious awareness of our own existence and it helped us make sense of what we saw around us and plan ahead. It is the growth and evolution of the human brain that has made us the inquisitive and curious creatures that we are. It gives us our desire to understand and to search for meaning and truth in every place possible. It is the hero of this cosmic novel in which the story of man unfolds, and it plays the key role.

    Most people believe - in fact a number of great philosophers share this belief - that faith in God is a psychological need, a primeval instinct and intuition that cannot be doubted. The odd thing is that the Qur'an also is swept along by this claim and seeks to firmly entrench it as far as it can: "Is there doubt about God, the creator of the heavens and the earth?" (14:10)

    But in our opinion this belief is questionable. Because if knowledge of God was instinctive & intuitive, i.e. deeply rooted in our 'nafs' (being/soul) by 'fitrah' (the disposition we were created with) and nature, then there would be no need for proof to establish God's existence. For no-one would deny his existence, just as no one denies any other natural instincts.

    There may or may not be a God and he may have created this world, however that doesn't change the fact that it is up to mankind to take on the responsibility for the world himself and to have the courage to step forward and occupy his place at the seat of the world. His mind is the most effective weapon in the battle for existence when things become difficult. The centrality of God, that religions never cease to inculcate into our minds has been transformed, by the reality of the challenges of our age, into the centrality of man.


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    11. "Deliverance from Error" Al-Ghazali, p.90.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #117 - October 24, 2014, 10:28 PM

    What a lot of "proofs" and "evidences" are produced for the existence of God, yet how insubstantial and anecdotal they are! For example one story that is mentioned is of a person who had a debt and was having difficulty in repaying it, so he sought solace at the tomb of the pious saint Muhammad ibn Ja'far al-Husayni, and there he recited some Qur'an and mentioned his debt, then began to cry bitterly and complained to God about is lack of means, and the indignity of his position compared to others. A woman over heard him and so gave him a gold necklace saying: Take this necklace for the sake of the one who is in this tomb. So he accepted it and left. But he had only gone a few steps when the creditor appeared coming towards him. When he saw him he smiled to his face and said: Return the woman's necklace to her, for I have more right to the reward and thawab (by cancelling your debt). When he asked him about the reason for that and who told him about it, he said: I saw the one who lies in this tomb, the goodly friend of God, and he promised me a palace in paradise if I cancelled your debt!

    God singled out this pious man to bestow upon him this miracle, through which he fulfilled his debt for him and it was a sign that secured his debt, and his faith in his Lord.

    Have you forgotten the old woman who marvelled at how philosophers can spend all their lives in composing book after book to prove the existence of God? So she said: By God! This spindle of mine is proof of his existence as the droppings are proof of the camel. From this comes the common saying: Oh God give me faith like the faith of old people!!

    Most people's faith in God is like this. It is founded on hunches, feelings & emotions. Nothing more than that. Even moving music can stir some sort of feeling that evokes a profound sense of the One the Only, and deep meditation on the musicality of God's universe. From that, Sir Thomas Browne, makes the leap to claim that there is always something of the divine in music that is greater than the ear can discover.

    All the evidence for the existence of God is of this nature varying only in degrees from the asinine to the astute. Perhaps the greatest of these are the proofs put forward by Aristotle. However they all have one thing in common in that they start with the premise that God exists and then seek to find evidence of his existence. But, by my life, these proofs and arguments are deficient, because the mind that is willing and compliant, can be led in any direction.

    What is it they use to prove the existence of God? The existence of nature. The natural order in it. The sky and the birds. The oceans and its fishes. No doubt these 'proofs' have a value with those who are already convinced, but what value are they to those not already convinced? Zero! For no-one but those whose hearts already have faith will believe in them. As for those who don't, they won't find them to be anything other than houses more flimsy than the house of the spider.*

    Show me one sign of the signs of God or any act of his acts that reveals the agency & effectiveness of God today, just like it appeared in the past (i.e. according to the Qur'an & Bible.) Just like this agency and effectiveness were manifested clearly in the past on the fire that was set ablaze to burn Ibrahim so it lost it's ability to burn. Or when he suspended the laws of gravity concerning Sulayman when the wind was put under his command carrying him to wherever he wanted, a month's journey in a morning, then another month's journey back in an afternoon.** Or when he subjugated the birds to him, the Hoopoe bird which informed him about Bilqis and her people who used to worship the sun and moon instead of God!!! But today? Where is all this?
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    *This is a reference to Qur'an 29:41: "…indeed the flimsiest of homes is the home of the spider…"
    ** See Qur'an 21:81 & 34:12
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #118 - October 25, 2014, 09:34 PM

    The agency & effectiveness of God can be seen in the way he saves the despairing, defends the oppressed, feeds the starving, quenches the thirsty, heals the sick, and answers the prayers of the bereaved, orphans and widows, when they lose all hope in life. What has God given to them apart from urging patience and sufferance!?

    Earthquakes and floods were announced in the past. They only happened after a clear warning to the people of the area that God is going to bring destruction down, while evacuating the pious servants of God, before sweeping away the wrong doers and destroying the sinful transgressors, the unbelieving enemies of God, just as happened to the people of Lot and his wife. God saved Lot and those who were with him and destroyed the rest. Here we clearly see the action and effectiveness of God. Or is that just an ancient myth?

    Where is God when it comes to todays acts of oppression and aggression? It is often said this is the responsibility of man alone! What has God got to do with it? By my life! This is a word of truth even though falsehood is intended. So what does God do then?! He doesn't do anything. Here is God's vicar on earth. The pinnacle of his creation which he formed with his hand, writhing from hunger pangs, lying in the dirt, abandoned to disease, poverty, hunger, plunder, looting and aggression, like dogs, flies and pigs.

    If it is true that repelling oppression, aggression, looting and pillage, is man's responsibility, then what about if the person is a child or sick or infirm, too weak to bear any responsibility?! Are they to be abandoned also, and left to the wolves and snakes? What is their crime?!

    God in the past - and only in the past - used to interfere in everything. Nothing was outside his will. Every case was dealt with individually and thoroughly as we have seen in the story of Lot and Ibrahim. So what's the matter with him today? Why is it only in this day and age that God stands with his hands tied in the face of appalling tyranny and injustice as though none of this concerns him?

    Tell me, is this really effectiveness at all? Effectiveness is not something manifested in the natural pattern and continuous course, but in that which breaks that pattern and cuts that course. If not then it is not effectiveness. It is omission, inactivity, stillness like the stillness of graves.

    Just like God was the hero of heroes in the past, likewise he is in the future. But not in the foreseeable future on this earth nor in this life, but an unseen future in the next life. As for the present time, no and a thousand times no: "Had it not been that a word had gone forth before from thy Lord, the matter would have been decided between them, but they are in suspicious doubt concerning it." (11:110)(12) Just threats upon threats are poured down upon this wretched creature who is described as the best of creation!

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    12. See: Sura Fussilat 41:45, Sura Yunus 10:19, Ta Ha 20:129, Sura Saffat 37:171, Sura al-Shura 42:14.
  • My Ordeal With The Quran - Actual Translation
     Reply #119 - October 26, 2014, 10:26 PM

    So if God doesn't fulfil his promise to aid the oppressed & needy from amongst his faithful servants - as he pledged in the Qur'an and challenged other gods to do - if God fails to answer any request, and brings neither benefit nor harm to anyone, then where is his divinity?

    Is it manifested in nature rather than people? Did he create mankind for nature? Or nature for man? Enlighten me if you know. Is the evidence of God's effect - if he has an effect - revealed in nature instead of people? That is if it's true that what occurs in nature - who's causes are part of nature itself - needs a mover. Or what exists - who's existence is part of its reality - truly needs an author. (In other words if it's true that nature reveals the action of God even though we only observe the cause and effect of nature itself and the more we learn about the universe, the more the evidence for God shrinks until we are only left with a first mover - if such a thing is necessary.)

    The victorious does not require anyone to help him gain victory as we saw previously, yet despite this God in the Qur'an attributes it to himself. Likewise that which exists does not need someone to bring it into existence. Nor does that which moves, need a mover, even though God attributes to himself the quality of creator and mover.

    In the Qur'an God has absolute effectiveness, but in practice on earth he has no effect. They say he is power. If this is true then he is a negative, non-functioning power, if such a thing is possible. He is power in name only, with no substance to him. Put simply he is an ineffective God. His power and effect is; no effect! He is inaction and ineffectiveness. Just like the aether that ancient and medieval physics used to think filled the universe.

    This doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. In fact I lean towards the belief that their is a God, though by way of inner feeling rather than by way of reason and logic, for they are of no use when it comes to this matter. While at the same time I am still beset by many doubts about his existence. For the evidence of inner feelings and intuition means nothing, even though in the language of the heart and emotions they mean everything. For they fill a gap. They offer hope that the mind cannot. They fill life with fairies, rainbows and dreams!

    Has God died? This is the question Nietzsche posed in the late 19th century, albeit in another context. For God had been the centre & focal point of the universe throughout the long history of mankind. But as of now the centre should change to man. Man should be reinstated to his original role and be entrusted with the responsibility of managing affairs on Earth. The most convenient ways should be sought to achieve the aim of human management of the world, in a broad secular liberal sense, not in a religious sense that is sunk in service to God and his worship.

    This is what was meant by the 'death of God', which has become synonymous with individualism and rationalism which was a feature of the emancipation movements in the West. However it doesn't cancel out God in as much as it returned him to his human origin, announcing the birth of the new individual who became a god. Stressing that; man-the-god - or the dignity of man - was since the beginning, the first slogan and aim of the renaissance in Europe. Or so it seemed for the supporters of contemporary humanism, including, for example Luc Ferry who put forward a very strident form of humanism that sanctifies man and regards him as possessing that which is more noble than blind nature and is above the value of life.(13)

    Amongst the most dangerous things that this humanism is susceptible to is its extreme unruly ambition that empties it of all content. For in the name of scientific humanistic individualism we almost went from humanism without a god to humanism without man! Like we almost went from Nietzsche's declaration that "God is dead" to a call for the glorification of man. If we had continued down this road until it's furthest end - and all evidence points to that - our journey would have ended, sooner or later, in the "death of man" himself in a callous technocracy with a tendency towards positivism disguised as structuralism!

    In the end nothing of man would remain but a puppet that the structures place on stage. That by my life is the most terrible end and most evil outcome.

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    In conclusion I say: We have no need for a humiliating and demeaning reliance upon some God in order to obtain our sustenance and enjoy the beauty of this life and its joys. What need do we have for an ineffective God? That neither harms nor benefits and does not help us at all in a world full of wild animals and wolves, not to mention the brutal elements of nature. What does God do for his "Vicar (خليفة) on earth"? What has this "Vicarship" (خلافة) brought upon man apart from misery & grief. Has it ever undone an injury or rectified a misfortune? Protected him from oppression that surrounds him? Answered a single request? Saved a single starving child before death overtook him. All that it has given man are plenty of promises for the next life, related in the "divine" books that promise everything after having deprived him of everything in this life.

    If we didn't live in a world of illusions then the illusion of illusions wouldn't have ingrained itself so deeply in us, and that chief of illusions is the illusion of the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate, the Loving, giving God. who will alleviate all grief, relieve all anguish, and banish all sadness. He answers the distressed when he calls on him, heals to the troubled and tortured, the weak and the lost. You cannot count his blessings, nor can the mind nor the tongue number his bounty to man.

    They gave him rule over them, so he ruled as a tyrant - They wanted him to be a predator, but he made them his prey*

    13. Luc Ferry, Transmettre l’histoire de la philosophie, in Le monde de l’Eduction, Janvier, 1957.
    *A line from a poem by Khalil Gibran.
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