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 Topic: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia

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  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #60 - May 30, 2010, 12:56 AM

    Again, let me thank everyone for their welcoming comments. You guys are really smart too...I just hope this forum isn't going to be a life sentence of addiction for me!

    Welcome from another fellow ex-Shia! Your mentioning shiachat.com brought back cringeworthy memories of arguing in support of Wilayat al-Faqih.  015

     signwelcome


    You might've argued me then haha I used to be critical of Wilayat al-Faqih when I was Shia. I felt at the time that the true spirit of Shiasm was in Najaf and that Khomeini distorted it. Of course it doesn't matter now, especially when the Najafi Ayatollahs like Al-Sistani spend most of their time answering questions about whether you can shake a woman's hand rather than addressing the catastrophic situation in Iraq!

    I immigrated to the UK less than 2 years ago and now live in the North East. Last time I was in Iraq was late '06.
    I'm also a medical student. I studied at Baghdad medical school for 3 years but I was forced to cut short my studies and flee the country. I have now been accepted to medical school here but I have to start from year 1 (I'm 23 Cry )


    There's someone in my year exactly in your situation, but you can't be him because he's Chaldean haha Mature students are an asset to the University! There are so many people that don't grow up while being at uni and need someone to model on themselves on for the future - and you're probably that guy  Wink

    Brummie, also what I dont understand is why Popperian logic would have lead to you discounting Islam within 5 minutes. 

    Surely you would have understood the scientific method before med school, why did you suddenly get a Eureka moment then when you had no doubts before?

    Proof is one of the arguments you will have successfully mentally defended against before, and religion has successfully managed to build several mental barricades as to why its above such scrutiny.  So why do you think it happened then?  I am only surprised because I dont think anyone I have ever come across has managed to discount childhood indoctrinated beliefs within 5 minutes!


    I think for this, Hassan fulfilled the role of being my lawyer brilliantly. He put it better than I could  Afro

    I would also add to it this: looking back now on the version of Islam I followed, I find that I actually added so much to it from non-Islamic sources like a faulty program that needs constant updating and patches to be downloaded. This happened to the extent that I was probably commiting bid'ah (innovation=HARAM finmad). When I realised that what I was doing was bid'ah, I guess I let my guard down for 5 minutes whilst I was reading about the Popperian logic and realised that actually the scientific method is the ONLY way to achieve any degree of truth. Cogito ergo I left Islam.


    I love how this Shia-Sunni beef lives on even after apostasy!  Cheesy I think the proposed theories make sense. I think the minority status associated with being Shia gave me more scope for freedom. As a Shia I had to think for myself as I felt like the majority (Sunnis) was wrong.

    RIBS also mentioned how there seems to be a lot of Iraqis on here. If history has one thing to say about the Iraqis, is that they cannot be ruled for very long. We just rebel against everything, including each other!

    Against boredom even Allah struggles in vain.
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #61 - May 30, 2010, 01:03 AM

    There's someone in my year exactly in your situation, but you can't be him because he's Chaldean haha Mature students are an asset to the University!

    Did he go to Baghdad Uni-College of Medicine before he moved to the UK? I might know the guy !


    There are so many people that don't grow up while being at uni and need someone to model on themselves on for the future - and you're probably that guy  Wink

    Thank you. You're not the first one to say this. I've always been a role model for my mortal peers  Cool
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #62 - May 30, 2010, 06:13 AM

    is it only me who sees this or do shias apostate more easily than sunnis. is it because they are more used to accusations of heresy anyway Smiley
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #63 - May 30, 2010, 06:17 AM

    is it only me who sees this or do shias apostate more easily than sunnis. is it because they are more used to accusations of heresy anyway Smiley

    I think it's because Shias are smarter. They have a higher number of neurons per cm3 of cerebellar cortex than Sunnis do.  Wink
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #64 - May 30, 2010, 06:20 AM

    persians do have a more illustrious history of intellectuals than arabs, don't they. most of the 'islamic' intellectual achievements are actually persian ones. or am i wrong on this.
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #65 - May 30, 2010, 07:41 AM

    I think it's because Shias are smarter. They have a higher number of neurons per cm3 of cerebellar cortex than Sunnis do.  Wink


    It's science!  Wink

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #66 - May 30, 2010, 10:52 AM

    Oh my God! This forum is being taken by Iraqies... First BD, then IA, and now you Brummie! Conspiracy I see! ROFL


    I personally can't complain about that  Wink

    Welcome, Brummie hugs

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #67 - May 30, 2010, 11:07 AM


    Hello mate, welcome  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #68 - May 30, 2010, 11:12 AM

    persians do have a more illustrious history of intellectuals than arabs, don't they. most of the 'islamic' intellectual achievements are actually persian ones. or am i wrong on this.

    You're probably right
    I think it's because Shias are smarter. They have a higher number of neurons per cm3 of cerebellar cortex than Sunnis do.  Wink

     Cheesy

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    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #69 - May 30, 2010, 11:13 AM

    My 2 cents: I think it is in the nature of beliefs.  I think Shia Islam is more baroque/ornate than Sunni Islam - with a more diffused focus of the core religious concepts (so where there is focus on Allah and Muhammad only in Sunni Islam, the focus is broadened in Shia Islam to include Ali, 12 Imams etc.) You also have more shrines, saints etc.  

    It is easier to start dismissing peripheral bits of a religion and "climb the stairs of unbelief" by dismissing peripheral bits and gradually moving higher. With a single focal point, there are no steps and so the full distance of unbelief is more daunting.

    Also when you have too many objects to focus on, one cannot give each as high a value as a single object. Also the relationship between the objects becomes less clear (and invites questions).

    I think that Catholicism also suffers from the same flaw as a memeplex as Shia Islam.

    Sunni Islam like certain forms of Protestant Christianity has a greater doctrinal purity/simplicity/clarity which makes it more difficult to mentally challenge. (IMO)



    Excellent work, fella  Afro


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #70 - May 30, 2010, 11:20 AM

    I think it's because Shias are smarter. They have a higher number of neurons per cm3 of cerebellar cortex than Sunnis do.  Wink


     Cheesy
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #71 - May 30, 2010, 11:24 AM

    persians do have a more illustrious history of intellectuals than arabs, don't they. most of the 'islamic' intellectual achievements are actually persian ones. or am i wrong on this.


    An Arab, A Persian and a Turk were arguing about who was best.

    The Persian said: "Well all the great scholars were Persians."

    The Arab replied: "Well Muhammad was an Arab!"

    The Turk responded: "Yes, but Allah is a Turk!"

     grin12
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #72 - May 30, 2010, 02:54 PM

    An Arab, A Persian and a Turk were arguing about who was best.

    The Persian said: "Well all the great scholars were Persians."

    The Arab replied: "Well Muhammad was an Arab!"

    The Turk responded: "Yes, but Allah is a Turk!"

     grin12



     Cheesy !

    Against boredom even Allah struggles in vain.
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #73 - May 30, 2010, 06:14 PM

    An Arab, A Persian and a Turk were arguing about who was best.

    The Persian said: "Well all the great scholars were Persians."

    The Arab replied: "Well Muhammad was an Arab!"

    The Turk responded: "Yes, but Allah is a Turk!"

     grin12


     Cheesy
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #74 - May 30, 2010, 07:51 PM

    An Arab, A Persian and a Turk were arguing about who was best.

    The Persian said: "Well all the great scholars were Persians."

    The Arab replied: "Well Muhammad was an Arab!"

    The Turk responded: "Yes, but Allah is a Turk!"

     grin12



    sorry to be a buzz kill there Hasan but i dont get it ? Is it implying that the turks think too much of them selves?

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #75 - May 30, 2010, 07:54 PM

    Welcome Brummie, love the avatar! Just getting into Nietzsche myself...
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #76 - May 30, 2010, 08:09 PM

    sorry to be a buzz kill there Hasan but i dont get it ? Is it implying that the turks think too much of them selves?


    Well you need to understand that the Persians were the scholars, collectors of hadith, wazirs, grammarians, philosophers, doctors, scientists, astronomers etc... The Arab's main claim to fame was that Muhammad was from their race. The Turks however were the rulers in the Muslim world in the latter centuries. They were the caliphs (Seljuks, Ottomans etc...) They were the military power, the officers, the governors etc...

    In other words - "Allah is a Turk" - is a reference to the fact that they can order the other two around - as well as simply being a response to 'out-do' the other two with a trump card! (God)


  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #77 - May 30, 2010, 08:21 PM

    My father told me that when all the Turkish aristocracy/ruling-elite lost their power when Nasser overthrew them and implemented Arab Socialism they suddenly found themselves penniless and unable to make a living. The only thing they knew was ordering others around, but they couldn't do that any more.

    There is a story of one old Turk from the royal family who spent his last pennies on two water troughs (ulla) that you often see outside houses or shops in Egypt to provide water for ibn sabeel (passers by).

    The old aristocrat has an unfulfilled need to order others around. So he sat on a chair in between these two water troughs and whenever a passer-by came to drink the free water from one of the troughs, he would say: "No! Don't drink from that one - drink from this one!" Each time ordering people to drink from the one opposite to the one they had chosen to drink from. Thus satisfying his need to be the boss.

     grin12
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #78 - May 30, 2010, 09:15 PM

    the Persians were the scholars, collectors of hadith, wazirs, grammarians, philosophers, doctors, scientists, astronomers etc...


    Hmmm ... interesting ... figures ...
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #79 - May 31, 2010, 08:21 AM

    My father told me that when all the Turkish aristocracy/ruling-elite lost their power when Nasser overthrew them and implemented Arab Socialism they suddenly found themselves penniless and unable to make a living. The only thing they knew was ordering others around, but they couldn't do that any more.

    There is a story of one old Turk from the royal family who spent his last pennies on two water troughs (ulla) that you often see outside houses or shops in Egypt to provide water for ibn sabeel (passers by).

    The old aristocrat has an unfulfilled need to order others around. So he sat on a chair in between these two water troughs and whenever a passer-by came to drink the free water from one of the troughs, he would say: "No! Don't drink from that one - drink from this one!" Each time ordering people to drink from the one opposite to the one they had chosen to drink from. Thus satisfying his need to be the boss.

     grin12



    That's an awesome story.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #80 - June 02, 2010, 03:24 PM

     victory
    hi and welcome..
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #81 - June 02, 2010, 03:44 PM

     signwelcome to the forum!

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #82 - June 02, 2010, 07:41 PM

    Hello there  Smiley.
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #83 - June 02, 2010, 07:57 PM

    Coincidence or what? Ex-shia muslim from b'ham....I don't suppose you went to the mosque on clifton road? I only know of 2 shia mosques in Birmingham

    Be yourself.
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #84 - June 12, 2010, 04:59 PM

    I was born in Baghdad and emigrated to the UK... Now I live in the UK with my immediate 'liberal Shia' family.


    As for the university business, I'm actually a medical student -


    Fuck, we got two of these assholes now?

    Just kidding, a belated welcome aboard.

    fuck you
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #85 - June 12, 2010, 08:14 PM

    There is a third one.

    Iraqi atheist from a liberal Shia family. He also studies medicine at my alma mater, Baghdad Medical School: http://iraqiatheist.blogspot.com/

    Couldn't make it up.  Cheesy
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #86 - June 12, 2010, 08:50 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #87 - June 12, 2010, 09:08 PM

    BD is also an Iraqi atheist from a liberal Shia family.  Afro
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #88 - June 12, 2010, 09:09 PM

     dance

    I left Islam under the threat of eternal punishment because I wanted to eat bacon and have copious amounts of degenerate sex. Ah well one out of two isn't too bad.

    Googling copious amounts of degenerate sex I found this wiki article, this guy could be my spiritual father:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_X


    Nothing about Swami X can be taken seriously. In his own words, says the Swami X, "this is not an act, this is real life. I am a fucking nut". As with most buskers and street performers, little of Swami X's oeuvre was recorded, but sample clips do exist.[3][4][5]

    Among his more memorable comments are:

            "They say you are what you eat. If that's true, then I'm a nymphomaniac."

            "Nixon says he wants peace with honor. Peace?? All I want is a piece of ass!!"

            "Spigothead Agnew" (the then Vice President).

            "If you're in bed with a nymphomaniac and a cop bangs on your door and says "open the door right now", you don't say, "Just a minute, officer, I'll be right there." You say "Get lost, motherfucker! Come back next Tuesday!"

            After extolling the virtues of some coveted item of value, such as a new Corvette, he would say "I'd trade it right now for an orgasm in 20 minutes".

    The most often quoted line attributed to Swami X is :

            "Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer."[6]

    The "Sex is not the answer" bit has been quoted in numerous compendia of pithy observations and sex jokes, usually with a reference to "Swami X" as if his identity were self-evident.
  • Re: A big HELLO from an ex-Shia
     Reply #89 - June 12, 2010, 09:15 PM

    I could never understand this Shi'ah/Sunni split it. I simply couldn't understand why anyone who believed in  "La ilaha illa Allah, wa Muhammad Rasoola Allah" could be at odds with each other. I always tried my best to heal this rift - it was like I felt it shouldn't be there - and damaged the authenticity of Islam.
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