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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #270 - June 03, 2010, 02:43 PM

    I'm not familiar with that report nor I can find it in Israeli newspaper.

    My good wishes to you dear ygalg., Welcome to CEMB., Now we know the list So we got to do something with it., I can not act like the way Muhammad following Muslims(NOT ALL) do in this age and time. So questions for me and you..

    1). How do we find out whether that list is right or wrong?

    2). If that list is correct, do you have any defense of such list will be useful in stopping the attacks on innocent Jewish folks on the roads and restaurants  by these brain washed Muslim robots?

    3). If that list is correct, what actions should we take to alleviate the problems of people living in Gaza???

    with best regards
    yeezevee


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #271 - June 03, 2010, 02:46 PM

    there is no official list of items banned. aside the list as presented by the other side.

    Well there should be, or else how is anyone supposed to know where they stand when it comes to sending aid?

    The list of banned items should be restricted to things like weapons, explosives, chemicals that are industrial precursors to explosives, etc. You know, stuff that is actually a threat to Israel.

    I'm not familiar with that report nor I can find it in Israeli newspaper.

    Well you're familiar with it now, and you don't have to find it in an Israeli newspaper since you have it available from other sources. Smiley Maybe you should write an email to Haaretz and see if they'll do an article on it.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #272 - June 03, 2010, 02:49 PM

     
    Well there should be, or else how is anyone supposed to know where they stand when it comes to sending aid?

    The list of banned items should be restricted to things like weapons, explosives, chemicals that are industrial precursors to explosives, etc. You know, stuff that is actually a threat to Israel.
    Well you're familiar with it now, and you don't have to find it in an Israeli newspaper since you have it available from other sources. Smiley Maybe you should write an email to Haaretz and see if they'll do an article on it.


    Not only Just   ygalg  we all need to do something if that list is correct dear osmanthus., And thank you again for those links., I am active in different forums and i will air my problems with that list.,   off course not as yeezevee..lol..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #273 - June 03, 2010, 02:54 PM

    Ygalg (and others) here is the original press release from the WHO in PDF format.

    http://www.emro.who.int/palestine/reports/advocacy_HR/advocacy/WHO%20-Press%20statement-June2010.pdf

    And this is the relevant page on the WHO site: http://www.who.int/hac/crises/international/wbgs/en/

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #274 - June 03, 2010, 03:07 PM

    The Freedom Flotilla fraud   says washingtontimes  EDITORIAL

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/1/the-freedom-flotilla-fraud/
    Quote
    What was supposed to be a routine Israeli maritime boarding and inspection operation is turning into a propaganda victory for the Islamist terror group Hamas. The main lesson learned from the incident on the ship Mavi Marmara is: Don't bring a paintball gun to a knife fight.

    Quote
    The initial frenzy of denunciations of the operation in which nine people died - using words like piracy, slaughter, genocide and so forth - is fading in the cold light of facts. United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay claimed that the Israeli operation had no legal justification, which only betrays her ignorance of maritime law. Navies routinely stop, board and search suspicious vessels, and Israel has intercepted blockade runners headed to Gaza for years. The difference this time is that the "peace activists" on board were armed and looking for a fight.


    The Israelis boarded with paintball guns, tasers, tear gas and other nonlethal weapons. They expected the usual highly choreographed dance in which they board the ship and take control of it while the activists link arms, sing the Palestinian terrorist equivalent of "We Shall Overcome," take photos and issue press releases about the latest "Zionist atrocity." That's the usual Mahatma Gandhi/Martin Luther King Jr. passive-resistance theater.

    Quote
    But extremists have learned a key lesson of our age - violent resistance is better than passive submission when they know they will not be held accountable. In this case, the pro-Hamas activists sought a confrontation. Israeli troops rappelling onto the deck of the Mavi Marmara were immediately set upon with clubs, knives and other weapons. Pundits who reflexively denounced Israel for "disproportionate force" were blaming the wrong side. Had the terrorist sympathizers on the ship not incited the violence, no one would have been killed. There were no casualties on other ships in the flotilla where people did not resist.


    Backers of the illegal blockade-running effort portray themselves as humanitarians, but this claim is dubious. They had rejected an Israeli offer to send the supplies they were carrying to Gaza overland, joining the tons of supplies that flow to Gaza daily, but this would not have fulfilled the organizers' goal of having a splashy, made-for-media event. So they went ahead with their voyage, fomented the incident, and international organizations, governments and the press fell for it, as expected.

    This is the beginning of a high-seas intifada aimed at the hearts and minds of the global community, an attempt to isolate Israel and make heroes of Hamas. The campaign continues this week as the blockade runner Rachel Corrie will make an attempt to reach Gaza. The ship is named after an American peace activist who was killed accidentally in 2003 when she attempted to block an Israeli bulldozer, and it is a much more media savvy moniker than Mavi Marmara.

    There will be no more routine inspection operations; Monday's events raised the stakes. It is certain that the Hamas supporters on board will not yield to Israeli requests that the ship halt, and if troops attempt another boarding, it will be met with violence. This poses a quandary for Israel's navy, but a few well-placed shells fired at the stern of the Rachel Corrie to disable her rudder and propulsion system may offer a satisfactory solution.


    Meanwhile, extremists in Gaza continue to attack civilians in Israel with mortars and rockets, and in one recent incident attempted a terror attack with a donkey-pulled cart-bomb. The world awaits the United Nations' expression of outrage.

    What an Idiot you are.,  Morons like you are the reason why the problem will  not get solved.

    How about dragging the ship on to a harbor and check the people + check the items and use proper method to give them to the folks in Gaza?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #275 - June 03, 2010, 03:13 PM

    I thought I may have misunderstood, and the "Butthurt" might indeed be non offensive.
    In which case maybe I should opologise.

    I have just looked it up. The definitions range from non offensive to extremely offensive. Look it up.
    "Intelligent" people should not respond to a post with ambigious one word 'ghetto' language.

    However It's a good word. I can insult people, then retreat like a bitch if someone calls me out.
    I'll remember to use it here often, if I bother to stay Wink

    @ osmanthus,

    Hiya mate. No point. I pointed out a year ago, this place was a smaller version of Faithfreedom.
    The venemous Israeli dogs will attack me.
    Don't really know why I bothered posting here.
    See you in around another years time, maybe? Wink



    Kamran, with all do respect, you calling people here "venemous Israeli dogs", or making disgusting comments about having sex with a user's mum is perhaps the first comments I'd look at if I was you. People have a right to disagree with you, but if your reaction is to start getting hostile then it really isn't a reflection of other people, it's a reflection of yourself...
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #276 - June 03, 2010, 03:14 PM

    Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8654337.stm

    Quote
    BBC News has seen documents, submitted to an Israeli Court, which give more detail than ever before about how and why Israel maintains its Gaza blockade.

    In one document, Israel describes the import curbs as "a central pillar in the armed conflict with Hamas".

    It also confirms estimates were made of how many calories Gazans need, but says these were not used for policy-making.

    Israel says the blockade is to pressure Hamas, which does not recognise Israel and backs attacks on its citizens.

    Three years ago, after the Islamist Hamas movement seized power, Israel and Egypt tightened their closure of Gaza's borders, leaving the territory's 1.5 million inhabitants facing acute shortages.

    But Israel has never published a list of banned items, saying it approves requests on a case-by-case basis.

    Quote
    'Collective punishment'

    The lack of clarity causes immense frustration not just among Gazans, but among aid groups, diplomats, and the United Nations - which has described Israel's blockade as "collective punishment"

    The problem, they say, is not just the shortages themselves, but the unpredictability and changing nature of what is permitted for import.

    Israeli officials have said, in the past, that they are concerned that building materials in particular could be misappropriated by Hamas for military ends.

    But some Israeli commentators - even those who advocate a tough stance against Hamas - say that the strategy behind the much wider blockade is ill-defined, and harmful to Israel's international standing.

    The BBC has received information from reliable sources that there are currently 81 items that are approved for import - from kidney beans to tinned meat - and as of March, shoes.

    Among the large range of goods currently forbidden are jam, chocolate, wood for furniture, fruit juice, textiles, and plastic toys.

    The 13-page submission by the Israeli authorities to the Tel Aviv District Court raises more questions than it answers.

    The PDF file list
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/05_05_10_gazaimports.pdf

    STUPID PEOPLE FOOLISH way of solving problems..  Brainless Bums are in Power..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #277 - June 03, 2010, 03:37 PM

    Catholic bishop stabbed to death in Turkey

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10228730.stm

    Luigi Padovese had been due to leave to meet the Pope on Friday

    Quote
    A Roman Catholic bishop has been stabbed to death in southern Turkey, state-run media report.

    Luigi Padovese, 63, was attacked in the garden of his summer house in the Mediterranean port of Iskenderun, according to Anatolia news agency.

    Police have arrested Bishop Padovese's driver, a man identified only as Murat A.

    There has been a series of attacks on Christians in Turkey in recent years.

    Bishop Padovese, the Pope's apostolic vicar in Anatolia and an Italian national, died in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

    The Vatican said it was "dismayed" by Bishop Padovese's death.

    "It is a terrible... incredible" killing, Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi told the Italian news agency ANSA.

    Provincial Governor Mehmet Celalettin Lekesiz told Associated Press news agency that the suspect had worked for Bishop Padovese for four-and-a-half years.

    Bishop Padovese's murder was the latest of several such attacks in the country over recent years, where Christians compose less than 1% of the mainly Muslim population.

    In 2007, a Catholic priest in the western city of Izmir was wounded after being stabbed by a 19-year-old after Sunday Mass.

    In the same year, three Christians were killed in a Bible-publishing house in the Anatolian city of Malatya.


    That is How Fucking Muhammad following Muslims behave.,  Islamic States including Turkey pus a blind eye to these Brutal Murders..  Sure that must be this Flotilla anger..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #278 - June 03, 2010, 04:03 PM

    So I check FFi almost everyday now because someone on this forum just came from there.
    Anyways, found an article that I found interesting written by Ali Sina on the Isreali raid on aid ship.
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/11996

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #279 - June 03, 2010, 04:05 PM

    One of the Guy  From Israeli  Commando who went in to operation describes raid

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10203054.stm


    One of the Guy  On the Flotilla who went   describes  the raid
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10225608.stm

    Read the rest at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10225108.stm

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #280 - June 03, 2010, 04:10 PM

    So I check FFi almost everyday now because someone on this forum just came from there.
    Anyways, found an article that I found interesting written by Ali Sina on the Isreali raid on aid ship.
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/11996


    This is where he completely lost me:

    Quote from: Ali Sina
    The war in the Middle East can end only in two scenarios.

    -          Muslims bring about a second holocaust to the Jews and kill all the Israelis.

    -          Muslims abandon Islam and accept Israelis as fellow humans with the right to live in peace.

    There is no other way to bring peace in the Middle East. All talks of peace are futile.  As long as Muslims believe in Islam, they cannot tolerate Jews reclaiming their land after it was once claimed as Dar al Islam. They will fight to the end of time for the total destruction of Israel.  The hope that one day there will be peace between Israel and her Muslim neighbors is a delusion.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #281 - June 03, 2010, 04:18 PM

    I watched the videos first. Why did u get lost there?


    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #282 - June 03, 2010, 04:25 PM

    I fundamentally disagree with him. It's not essential for Israel's security that Muslims leave Islam. It would help a lot but it's not a critical prerequisite.
    Jews used to live among Arabs before 1948. And while their situation was far from perfect, it was incomparably better than the situation of European Jews. Nowadays it's reversed. The situation of Jews in America in Europe is 100 times better than in the Arab world but that didn't need all Europeans and Americans to leave Christianity. 
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #283 - June 03, 2010, 04:33 PM

    I fundamentally disagree with him. It's not essential for Israel's security that Muslims leave Islam. It would help a lot but it's not a critical prerequisite.
    Jews used to live among Arabs before 1948. And while their situation was far from perfect, it was incomparably better than the situation of European Jews. Nowadays it's reversed. The situation of Jews in America in Europe is 100 times better than in the Arab world but that didn't need all Europeans and Americans to leave Christianity.  

    I guess you are talking about Ali  Sina.,   It is good that you disagree,  But that is his goal, and that is  because his country took a brutal hit  from Islamic Mullah  Politics.  Even I say similar things on Islam but I don't care whether Muslims Leave Islam or not but I must have the rights to critical of  Islam and Islamic Politics right from the days of Muhammad., Also People who like leave to Mr. Muhammad's Islam must be protected from these Muslim robots  in Muslim lands without any persecution..

    This is where he completely lost me:


    Why you even I loose some times and disagree with Ali quite often..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #284 - June 03, 2010, 04:39 PM

    Turkish Ship Activists Funeral, Israel Defiant


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgOySoronbA&feature=player_embedded#!

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #285 - June 03, 2010, 05:38 PM

    My good wishes to you dear yeezevee
    from osmanthus two sources. the one in English present the pleadings. the other one which is in Hebrew is worth paper as it is present judicial report from israel and according to it the ministry of defence failed to present suitable reason why they do not disclose the list which are not consider a threat. despite that Israel less note what sort of materials has allowed to deliver to Gaza. there is coordination between PA what will be delivered. the materials changes from time to time. is there a collective punishment? possibility there is. is it justified? opinions are vary.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #286 - June 03, 2010, 05:43 PM

    ygalg, who's that in your avatar?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #287 - June 03, 2010, 06:06 PM

    ygalg, who's that in your avatar?

    Georgi Rosenblum
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #288 - June 03, 2010, 06:10 PM

    Started reading about him just now. Sounds cool.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #289 - June 03, 2010, 06:10 PM

    Georgi?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #290 - June 03, 2010, 06:11 PM

    @ygalg
    You are a Jew from Israel right? If you don't mind me asking are you a secular Jew?
    In your opinion how is this whole big issue going to be resolved? Do you think there is going to be a Palestinian state and that there is going to be some sort of a compromise regarding Jerusalem and Israeli settlements in the West Bank?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #291 - June 03, 2010, 06:19 PM


    that one will a different kind of Georgi  Tongue
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #292 - June 03, 2010, 06:27 PM

    Grin
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #293 - June 03, 2010, 06:55 PM

    @ygalg
    You are a Jew from Israel right? If you don't mind me asking are you a secular Jew?
    In your opinion how is this whole big issue going to be resolved? Do you think there is going to be a Palestinian state and that there is going to be some sort of a compromise regarding Jerusalem and Israeli settlements in the West Bank?

    secular. cannot say for sure. it seems the western world on the way to disappear and to be replaced by Islamic fundamentalism. and that is not encouraging thought.
    Palestinian state is a pretext. admitted by a member of the PLO Zahir Muhsein. the real aim is to reassure Islamic position as main world religion. through complete tenure of religious places shared by Abrahamic religions. Jerusalem status is yet complete in the view of islmaists and that also includes entire Israel. Jerusalem is the main purpose and if it fell in the Islamic possession. you can imagine where it go next. as islamists suffer from their own Jerusalem syndrome. Christians have theirs and Jews theirs. there are also the other group, the usful idiots who involved and which eventually lead to bitter end.

    if religion was not the issue and there was a sincere compromise. the Palestine state would have established long time ago. of course along side with Israel. and Ali Sina correct. that never going to happened.

    if it were indeed a conflict merely between Palestinians vs Israelis over territory dispute, you would not witness so many parties involved. Israel does not have resources worth fighting. but from religious POV ...
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #294 - June 03, 2010, 07:05 PM

    Fucking religion.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #295 - June 03, 2010, 07:14 PM

    there was a time when at the middle of the night, I used to wake up to the screaming of neighbor who shouts I'm the Messiah. luckily it's over.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #296 - June 03, 2010, 07:39 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Please stay with us and post some more. Yer fucking brilliant  dance

    I have never spoken to somebody from Israel before. Are the girls really hot? I've heard so. Please make thread and post pics.

    How old are you btw? What do people in their 20's do there? Go out clubbing? What kind of music is popular, do people drink?

    I'm sorry that I'm hijacking this thread but again please make a new thread and let us know more about yourself and where you come from.

    EDIT:

    And I know what I sound like now no need to look at me funny. I was muslim alright I mean Jesus Christ we were told Jews hid behind speaking (snitching and murderous) rocks.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #297 - June 03, 2010, 08:16 PM

    My good wishes to you dear yeezevee
    from osmanthus two sources. the one in English present the pleadings. the other one which is in Hebrew is worth paper as it is present judicial report from israel and according to it the ministry of defence failed to present suitable reason why they do not disclose the list which are not consider a threat. despite that Israel less note what sort of materials has allowed to deliver to Gaza. there is coordination between PA what will be delivered. the materials changes from time to time. is there a collective punishment? possibility there is. is it justified? opinions are vary.

    Questions were slightly different from what  I read above from your response dear ygalg.,  let me paste them again here. But when you say collective punishment, You mean PA authority minus PA Hamas and its leadership which is coupled to whole lot of shia Muslims  across the globe??  You mean  here   PA authority means Mahmoud Abbas and his party Fatah??

    Any ways the questions were to you., Not for Israeli govt  and not for PA authority or  nor for  Hamas.,  

    Question is what you would have done if you were an authority in Israel
    Quote
    I'm not familiar with that report nor I can find it in Israeli newspaper.

    My good wishes to you dear ygalg., Welcome to CEMB., Now we know the list So we got to do something with it., I can not act like the way Muhammad following Muslims(NOT ALL) do in this age and time. So questions for me and you..

    1). How do we find out whether that list is right or wrong?

    2). If that list is correct, do you have any defense of such list will be useful in stopping the attacks on innocent Jewish folks on the roads and restaurants  by these brain washed Muslim robots?

    3). If that list is correct, what actions should we take to alleviate the problems of people living in Gaza???


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #298 - June 03, 2010, 08:53 PM

    Although I agree with this article that Israel's Gaza blockade approach needs investigating/reviewing, this has to be the first Economist article I quite disagree with and even find the recommendations ridiculous:

    Israel's siege mentality
    The government’s macho attitude is actually making Israel weaker


    I agree with this 4th highest user rated comment:

    Quote
    Tinelva wrote:
    Jun 3rd 2010 3:31 GMT
    What a ridiculous article.
    The alternatives for Israel's blockade of Gaza?
    "ask the UN to oversee the flow of goods and people.."
    "The Arab world must do more..
    "West, led by Mr Obama, should call for Hamas to be drawn into negotiations.."
    and so on.
    Let me spoil the ending for you - the UN will be totally incompetent in preventing Hamas from receiving weapons (just like in Lebanon they are helpless to prevent rearmament of Hizbullah).
    The Arab world will do nothing - or rather, it will continue to demonize Israel, led by Turkey and Iran.
    Hamas will refuse negotiations - just like they have until now.
    With the blockade gone - what's their motivation for peace exactly?
    Israel will end up facing an Iranian terror state on its borders, and the world will look the other way (or condemn Israel whenever it defends itself).
    No thanks, Economist. We are not your Guinea Pigs for testing fanatical Islam's good intentions.


    Thoughts ??

    EDIT: Yes, also agree that Israel needs to halt building of new settlements  ... peace deal ... not going to happen while that is still going on.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #299 - June 03, 2010, 09:42 PM

    .....................

    Thoughts ??

    EDIT: Yes, also agree that Israel needs to halt building of new settlements  ... peace deal ... not going to happen while that is still going on.


    don't worry HighOctane., We have PAKISTANI think tank and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95N5hsUz0zE

    we have the most advanced weapons and trained military that any country on planet earth ever had  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEOnyY_CQ7E

    Watch out  Israel. You will Have to Pay the Price for attacking Freedom Flotilla. ., Pakistan will liberate Palestine..


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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