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  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #60 - June 28, 2010, 01:19 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 28, 2010, 12:18 PM
    It did annoy me though.  I raised my hand first, sat quietly and patiently as we were instructed to at the start of the show and they didn't come to me.


    A closed mouth doesnt get fed  Tongue
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #61 - June 28, 2010, 01:24 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 28, 2010, 01:19 PM
    A closed mouth doesnt get fed  Tongue


    Sometimes I fink me mom un dad brung me up too gud Smiley

    Next time I will probably shout out for attention just like everyone else did who seemed to be getting it.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #62 - June 28, 2010, 01:26 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 28, 2010, 01:24 PM
    Sometimes I fink me mom un dad brung me up too gud Smiley

    Next time I will probably shout out for attention just like everyone else did who seemed to be getting it.


    yea man. I'd be a little ticked off aswell if I were you. They gave that indian lady the floor for almost the entire show and she said nothing but nonsense
    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #63 - June 28, 2010, 01:27 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 28, 2010, 01:26 PM
    yea man. I'd be a little ticked off aswell if I were you. They gave that indian lady the floor for almost the entire show and she said nothing but nonsense


    The only thing that really disappoints me is the brilliant opportunity that was lost to expose Mehdi Hasan as the two faced deceiver he apparently is.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #64 - June 28, 2010, 01:50 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 28, 2010, 12:18 PM
    PW: This is not Islam, the Quran doesn't say this (blah blah blah, Muhammad was lovely, etc)


    Should have quoted this verse:

    [7:179]
    And We have indeed urged unto Hell many of the jinn and mankind, having hearts wherewith they do not understand, and having eyes wherewith they do not perceive, and having ears wherewith they do not hear. These, they are like cattle - nay, rather they are further astray. These - they are the heedless.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #65 - June 28, 2010, 07:22 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on June 27, 2010, 10:45 PM
    Sorry, my post was badly phrased. I wasn't directly referring to her. What I meant is that media in UK has a real issue with showing what contemporary, widespread Islam really is like (and the threat it possess). People with liberal views like that convert you mentioned get a lot of attention even though they are a tiny minority.

    Imo, in a way it's like a smokescreen, obfuscating the real issues.


    I agree

    Quote from: kenan
    If liberal Muslims (and by that I mean truly liberal) were in majority nobody would have objected to their views.


    I see where you're coming from, but most Christians in the world are not liberal, and certainly, in the beacon of power, the States, the extremist Christians may be a minority, but they are a large minority, and more imporantly, a powerful minority. 

    Quote from: kenan
    Ideally there should be no religious schools in secular societies.

    I really have no idea how come Jewish schools are allowed to do that. It's basically discrimination based on religion. Such things simply shouldn't exist.


    Yes, but what does it say about the Jewish community in the UK? I seem to remember reading that half of Jewish children are educated in Jewish schools(with all their exclusivist admissions policy). What does that say about the community's notion of supremacy?
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #66 - June 28, 2010, 07:30 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on June 28, 2010, 07:22 PM
    I see where you're coming from, but most Christians in the world are not liberal, and certainly, in the beacon of power, the States, the extremist Christians may be a minority, but they are a large minority, and more imporantly, a powerful minority.

    True, however here in the UK most Christians are of the flower-power type. Even though I do personally know at least one gay bashing, hateful, really crazy one.

    Quote from: MrSilly on June 28, 2010, 07:22 PM

    Yes, but what does it say about the Jewish community in the UK? I seem to remember reading that half of Jewish children are educated in Jewish schools(with all their exclusivist admissions policy). What does that say about the community's notion of supremacy?

    It doesn't say anything nice, does it? But the real problem is that the state is apparently pandering to their whims. Btw do you recall where you read that stuff?
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #67 - June 28, 2010, 07:39 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on June 28, 2010, 07:22 PM
    What does that say about the community's notion of supremacy?


    It doesn't say anything about supremacy, it is exclusivity and discrimination.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #68 - June 28, 2010, 07:44 PM
    Feelings of exclusivity and discrimination towards others often stem from a notion of supremacy that a given group holds.

    Btw Rationalizer how come you were ignored by the host? Did you try and make eye contact with her in order to show that you really want to participate.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #69 - June 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Well I know for a fact that 45% of Israeli first graders attend religious public schools or ultra-Orthodox schools. I'm not sure this is the same with British Jews. I do remember watching a Dawkins documentary in which he visited a North London Haredi Rabbi and in the segment he said something along the line of "the majority of Haredi families send their sons to Orthodox Jewish schools".
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #70 - June 28, 2010, 08:43 PM
    OH NO!!!! was this the one in birmingham at the king edwards school?! If so, fuck, i actually go to that school :(
    Be yourself.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #71 - June 28, 2010, 08:53 PM
    Quote from: AbbasMerali on June 28, 2010, 08:43 PM
    OH NO!!!! was this the one in birmingham at the king edwards school?! If so, fuck, i actually go to that school :(


    Correct, that's where it was.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #72 - June 28, 2010, 08:56 PM
    i nearly went to watch but i missed some meetings and lost track of things :(
    Be yourself.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #73 - June 28, 2010, 09:27 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on June 28, 2010, 07:30 PM
    True, however here in the UK most Christians are of the flower-power type. Even though I do personally know at least one gay bashing, hateful, really crazy one.


    How far local do you want to go. In London, liberal muslims could be a large minority or possibly the majority.

    Irrespective, the potential threat of any liberal spokesperson of an Abrahamic religion is the same. There could well be more extremist Christians in the UK than extremist Muslims. I don't know statistics on this.

    Quote
    It doesn't say anything nice, does it? But the real problem is that the state is apparently pandering to their whims. Btw do you recall where you read that stuff?

    Unfortuantly not, but probably the Guardian, so it could all be bollocks.
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #74 - June 28, 2010, 09:28 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 28, 2010, 07:39 PM
    It doesn't say anything about supremacy, it is exclusivity and discrimination.


    And why do they propose exclusivity and discrimination?
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #75 - June 28, 2010, 09:31 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on June 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Well I know for a fact that 45% of Israeli first graders attend religious public schools or ultra-Orthodox schools. I'm not sure this is the same with British Jews. I do remember watching a Dawkins documentary in which he visited a North London Haredi Rabbi and in the segment he said something along the line of "the majority of Haredi families send their sons to Orthodox Jewish schools".


    Haredi Jews (fortuantly) only represent about a fifth of British Jewry (though this is unfortuantly rising).
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #76 - June 29, 2010, 12:05 AM
    I feel so useless sometimes.  I'm just an internet warrior.  I wish I had the guts to openly apostasize and come on these TV discussion shows. banghead
    .
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #77 - June 29, 2010, 06:38 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on June 28, 2010, 09:28 PM
    And why do they propose exclusivity and discrimination?


    In order to propagate their mental virus onto their children.  Outside influences are a risk to this propagation because they have not been correctly indoctrinated and are more likely to ask questions because things make no sense to them.  Also, if it were not a school only for children of Jewish parents then they'd have to change their curriculum because those other parents would complain about what was being taught.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #78 - June 29, 2010, 01:08 PM
    71% is a "minority" according to Mehdi Hassan?  Roll Eyes

    This is a typical example of Muslim apologists who come out with the cliche responses like "it's a minority" or "out of context" or "mistranslation" or "the vast majority of Muslims blah blah blah..." instead of acknowledging the uncomfortable statistics.

    Mehdi Hassan is typically speaking in his authoritative sarcastic tone.  He has to keep the moral high ground over the (cattle) infidels afterall...
    .
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #79 - June 29, 2010, 01:10 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on June 29, 2010, 01:08 PM
    71% is a "minority" according to Mehdi Hassan?  Roll Eyes


    Well, they didn't ask everyone so therefore it is only a majority of a minority.  Also homophobes in pubs are homophobes for various reasons, whereas many of these people are anti-homosexual because their religion tells them to be.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #80 - June 29, 2010, 04:57 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 29, 2010, 06:38 AM
    In order to propagate their mental virus onto their children.  Outside influences are a risk to this propagation because they have not been correctly indoctrinated and are more likely to ask questions because things make no sense to them.  Also, if it were not a school only for children of Jewish parents then they'd have to change their curriculum because those other parents would complain about what was being taught.


    Sounds rather supremist to me
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #81 - June 29, 2010, 05:42 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on June 29, 2010, 04:57 PM
    Sounds rather supremist to me


    It's not about supremacy, it's about environmental control.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #82 - June 29, 2010, 05:45 PM
    Environmental control for what aim? Propagating ideas of supremacy?
  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #83 - July 04, 2010, 03:44 PM

    Ugh, Mehdi Hasan and Salma Yaqoob, what utter bullshit artists they are  Roll Eyes
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #84 - July 04, 2010, 03:45 PM

    Rationalizer, well done for turning up, damn shame you were not allowed to talk though.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #85 - July 04, 2010, 03:46 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 27, 2010, 11:54 AM
    Why didn't they let you speak - this is an whitewash!  finmad


    I fear that on these kinds of shows they are biased in one direction and only give nods to the other side of the debate.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #86 - July 04, 2010, 03:48 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 27, 2010, 10:24 PM
    I never heard of this Mehdi Hasan till this program - but as soon as I heard him - I know the type he is. A bullshitter and apologist for unacceptable views. He and his type are amongst the reasons such unacceptable views are not changing amongst Muslims.


    Yep, and his position as editor at the New Statesman shows how rotten parts of the Left have become in Britain. His profile on talk shows, on Question Time and so on, shows how witless many people in the media, in news rooms, and in general still are.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #87 - July 04, 2010, 03:52 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 28, 2010, 11:54 AM
    Sorry, I wasn't subscribed to this post so I didn't see the questions directed at me.  I was going to say

    "This is not a PR campaign it is a recruitment campaign, they are piggybacking off the negative publicity of atrocious acts of terrorism and should be ashamed of themselves.  Mehdi Hassah said that the problem is the actions of some Muslims, he sits here on public television saying exactly what everyone wants to hear but in front of a more selective audience he calls non-Muslims homosexuals, paedophiles, sexual deviants, cattle, animals, and people of no intelligence.  It is quite clear that Islam at least needs DIFFERENT PR".

    Or something along those lines anyway Smiley




    Oh damn, how I wish you had the chance to say that!

    One day Hasan will be confronted with his speech about the 'kuffurs'. Its all over the internet.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #88 - July 04, 2010, 03:56 PM

    Oh gosh, I've just seen that convert, Kristiane Backer woman, what a typical glazed-eyed dunderhead she is  Grin

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Can you attend "The Big Question" Sunday Morn Birmingham?
     Reply #89 - July 08, 2010, 05:25 AM
    The shiny faced "revert" kristiane backer seems to genuinely believes the claptrap she is spouting - doubtless fed to her by some consciously deceitful Muslim male she has taken up with - as she doubtlessly believes that Islam permits her to walk around uncovered. Another example of the dangers of ignorant "moderate" Muslims providing a "nice" front for Islam behind which the true Muslims work to bring the west under the laws of Allah. Such people clearly cannot be safely left in their ignorance - let alone relied upon to "reform" Islam by the mere fact of their existence as "moderates".
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
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