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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #270 - June 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
    When you're stibborn with God, you're proud...

    After hearing all my arguments since you have known me here, and knowing the fact that I claim to be an agnostic, do you still think I am being intentionally proud & stubborn about the question of Gods existence?
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #271 - June 28, 2010, 08:45 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
    When you're stibborn with God, you're proud... In fact, you're deifying yourself too.

    Few people would swap pride & arrogance for eternal torture and suffering.  I hope you are not putting Hassan in that category either.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #272 - June 28, 2010, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on June 28, 2010, 08:35 PM
    Lol! Really smart yeah; you have effectively removed any chance of dying while travelling to and from the store that sell lottery tickets.

    Cheers bud.  My mum always told me I was bright  dance
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #273 - June 28, 2010, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 28, 2010, 02:07 PM
    Check this out:
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8240.msg207073#msg207073

    Eh, that is so long I cannot be bothered listing all the fallacies.

    You could just as well say "God is true axiomatically", it would make for a more consistent theory.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #274 - June 28, 2010, 09:04 PM
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    Eh, that is so long I cannot be bothered listing all the fallacies.


    and what makes you so sure it's so full of fallacies? Last time you accused me of using a fallacy, you committed a fallacy yourself, a strawman.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #275 - June 28, 2010, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
    After hearing all my arguments since you have known me here, and knowing the fact that I claim to be an agnostic, do you still think I am being intentionally proud & stubborn about the question of Gods existence?

    why do you keep asking questions I already answered? I already said no. I think you and Hassan are genuinely not convinced in Islam, but then again, the proper answer is: I don't know. I wasn't there reading your minds when you arrived at the decision that Islam is false.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #276 - June 28, 2010, 09:08 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 28, 2010, 08:21 PM
    In a few days, but I need to take care of things before I leave (cleaning the apt, packing, shipping books, etc, etc).

    See ya later, inshallah.


    yea man have a safe trip it was interesting talking with you haah
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #277 - June 28, 2010, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 28, 2010, 09:06 PM
    why do you keep asking questions I already answered? I already said no. I think you and Hassan are genuinely not convinced in Islam

    Thanks, and that is the right anwer - I sat down objectively and tried to come to my own understanding over it.

    So with that being said it makes it a contradiction.  As neither of us necessarily believe in a creator God, that means we are bound to hell for the wrong reasons, as you initially said Allah did this because it was down to us being punished for pride & arrogance.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #278 - June 28, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 28, 2010, 09:08 PM
    yea man have a safe trip it was interesting talking with you haah


    Thanks, DD.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #279 - June 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 28, 2010, 09:13 PM
    Thanks, and that is the right anwer - I sat down objectively and tried to come to my own understanding over it.

    So with that being said it makes it a contradiction.  As neither of us necessarily believe in a creator God, that means we are bound to hell for the wrong reasons, as you initially said Allah did this because it was down to us being punished for pride & arrogance.

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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #280 - June 28, 2010, 11:32 PM
    I thought your were only commenting... anyway, I didn't understad the second paragraph.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #281 - June 29, 2010, 08:45 AM
    I thought you said the reason why non-believers of a creator God go to hell is because of their pride & arrogance.

    Here you were saying Hassan & I were prob not (and I can confirm thats true Wink) being proud & arrogant as agnostics.

    So how do you square this circle, as we'll still burn despite not being proud & arrogant, not matter how much good we do in our lives?
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #282 - June 29, 2010, 09:05 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 29, 2010, 08:45 AM
    I thought you said the reason why non-believers of a creator God go to hell is because of their pride & arrogance.

    Here you were saying Hassan & I were prob not (and I can confirm thats true Wink) being proud & arrogant as agnostics.

    So how do you square this circle, as we'll still burn despite not being proud & arrogant, not matter how much good we do in our lives?


    I can't speak for debunker but from what I grasped from our discussion is that you and hassan will not be going to hell and thats why i was saying that hes denying the first pillar of Islam. 
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #283 - June 29, 2010, 09:07 AM
    You mean they will go to hell according to Islam.
  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #284 - June 29, 2010, 09:11 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 29, 2010, 09:07 AM
    You mean they will go to hell according to Islam.


    Yea.

    But according to (what i understand to be) debunkers interpretation they wont which was essentially the discussion we were having.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #285 - June 29, 2010, 09:15 AM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 29, 2010, 09:05 AM
    I can't speak for debunker but from what I grasped from our discussion is that you and hassan will not be going to hell and thats why i was saying that hes denying the first pillar of Islam. 

    Not what I understood, but perhaps I am wrong.

    According to DB, you dont have to believe in Mo or the Quran, but you have to believe in a creator God.  If not, then you go to hell, on account of being proud & arrogant.  

    Hass & I dont acknowledge the presence of a creator God so we are going to hell too.  However he believes we are not being proud & arrogant.  So now I want to know on what count we deserve to fry, that overrides any good we might do in the future?
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #286 - June 29, 2010, 09:17 AM
    Debunker says there is purgatory in Islam. That's where you would go. That's where people that believe in Creator God go.
  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #287 - June 29, 2010, 09:22 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 29, 2010, 09:17 AM
    Debunker says there is purgatory in Islam. That's where you would go. That's where people that believe in Creator God go.


    Yea thats what he was saying then I said your only speculating without any evidence and that the mufassirun said differently. Then he said fuck the mufassirun haah.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #288 - June 29, 2010, 09:23 AM
    What verse and sura again?
  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #289 - June 29, 2010, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 29, 2010, 09:15 AM
    Not what I understood, but perhaps I am wrong.

    According to DB, you dont have to believe in Mo or the Quran, but you have to believe in a creator God.  If not, then you go to hell, on account of being proud & arrogant.  

    Hass & I dont acknowledge the presence of a creator God so we are going to hell too.  However he believes we are not being proud & arrogant.  So now I want to know on what count we deserve to fry, that overrides any good we might do in the future?


    @islame

    Quote from: debunker on June 28, 2010, 11:40 AM
    I probably said this a 100 times in this forum. If you believe in the Creator God but you honestly don't believe in the Quran, then at least you won't go to Hell.

    In fact, even if you *honestly* don't believe God exists (and I find that's hard to believe), then at least you won't go to Hell.

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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #290 - June 29, 2010, 09:26 AM
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    Imam al-Ghazzali reflects the Sunni understanding of al-A`raf which is a temporary place for those that will be tested before they reach their ultimate destination for one of several reasons, either because their good and bad deeds are equal, or because the Divine Message did not reach them, or because they died before reaching the age of legal responsibility, or for other reasons.

    See for example the mention of the A`raf in the last few pages of the Hanafi Handbook of Fiqh, Manners and `Aqida titled al-Hadiyya al- `Ala'iyya by Imam `Ala' al-Din `Abidin, the son of the famous Imam Muhammad `Abidin the author of the Hashiya, Allah have mercy on them.

    There IS a notion of purgatory in Islam, namely, hellfire for any Muslim that enters it - which we pray Allah spare us - since the firm belief of Ahl al-Sunna is that no Muslim shall abide in Hellfire forever but only so they be cleansed of their faults. And Allah knows best.


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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #291 - June 29, 2010, 09:26 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 29, 2010, 09:23 AM
    What verse and sura again?


    regarding what? "the heights" (what he is claiming to be purgatory)
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #292 - June 29, 2010, 09:30 AM
    Quote from: Hanan_x3 on June 27, 2010, 08:13 PM
    So after many months of thinking, reading, talking to people, studying, and pondering and years of questioning... ii have finally decided to give up religion. Not just Islam, but all other religions as well.

    I am now an agnostic theist Smiley
     party!


    There goes the neighbourhood.  Wink
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #293 - June 29, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Excellent.

    He's is the first muslims to ever tell me that  dance

    So as a non-muslim, somebody who believes Muhammed was a fake as well as his Quranic God, then I can still get to heaven  mysmilie_977

    Begs the question, what is the point of not eating a ham sandwich or circumcision now doesnt it?
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #294 - June 29, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 29, 2010, 09:26 AM
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3315&CATE=91


    Quote from: BlackDog on June 29, 2010, 09:26 AM
    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3315&CATE=91


    Yea me and him discussed this somewhere in the mrasheed thread. I mentioned the "good and bad deeds equal" thing and also that people who went to jihad and died without their parents permission go there.

    But its only for muslims and its only a temporary place until they receive judgement. (according to the mufassirun)

    I don't think any Muslim scholar holds the opinion that a "kaffir" will go there. This is what he was speculating about.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #295 - June 29, 2010, 09:32 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 29, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Excellent.

    He's is the first muslims to ever tell me that  dance

    So as a non-muslim, somebody who believes Muhammed was a fake as well as his Quranic God, then I can still get to heaven  mysmilie_977

    Begs the question, what is the point of not eating a ham sandwich or circumcision now doesnt it?


    Thats what I was saying.

    Also he doesnt say you will go to heaven. He said he didn't know and that you would only not goto hell. Then he suggested that you would possibly goto "the heights" me and blackdog were discussing it in the last couple posts.
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #296 - June 29, 2010, 09:33 AM
    Exactly. I think his concept that a man that believes in God but is not a muslim does not go to hell but goes to purgatory is a novel one. I have never come across it before.

    As a muslim I thought all people that believed in God would go to heaven Smiley

    I can't find evidence that proves this.
  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #297 - June 29, 2010, 09:36 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on June 29, 2010, 09:30 AM
    There goes the neighbourhood.  Wink


    haha this post is just a reminder of how badly this thread got hijacked
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #298 - June 29, 2010, 09:39 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 29, 2010, 09:33 AM
    As a muslim I thought all people that believed in God would go to heaven Smiley


    For real?

    Ive noticed the kaffirs burning in hell seems to be an off-putting concept to some (hassan for example)

    When I was a muslim i had no problem with this. I was like burn those kaffir motherfuckers. and burn those fucking shias too haha
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  • Re: I'm officially an Ex-Muslimah :)
     Reply #299 - June 29, 2010, 09:52 AM
    ROFL

    What you thought shias would burn? Why?

    But the thing is that you were a kafir before. Your family are kafir. So that didn't bother you?
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