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  • An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     OP - July 06, 2010, 04:24 PM

    ..

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #1 - July 06, 2010, 04:38 PM

    the question is who are we really worshiping is it allah or muhammad?!!

    Naija... I am sooo glad you brought this up, as this was a serious turning point for
    me as a muslim too.  I got the impression that Allah was too far away to reach, but
    mohamad was much much closer, and when people would say, "may you share
    paradise with mohamad.."  (or something to that affect), I know it was well meant,
    but I didnt want to be a part of mohamad's paradise, I wanted to be close to god!!!

    I also questioned the vehement anger over insults to mohamad.  I even asked,
    "If mohamad is already in paradise, why would he care if anyone on earth insulted
    him or not.  Isnt Allah big enough to take care of these insults himself?  Why does
    he need his puny creation to defend him?"  They had no answers for me.

    my mind has unshackle itself from the claws of dogma

    One of the best epiphanies and feeling in the world!!!   Afro
    Its called, "freedom"   yes

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #2 - July 06, 2010, 05:12 PM

    Welcome to the forum Naija Infidel. Great story thanks for sharing. I advise you to keep pretending for now until you are financially independent and safe.

    Where are you from BTW?  (feel free to ignore the question)
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #3 - July 06, 2010, 05:18 PM

    Nigeria

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #4 - July 06, 2010, 07:44 PM

    We have another Nigerian ex-Muslim. His username is humblesoul.

    How is the situation now over there? I heard bad news lately about Nigeria. And I don't mean just the World Cup  grin12
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #5 - July 06, 2010, 08:09 PM

    Thanks for letting me,i will look for him thnkyu
    it's been tough in our country; A Muslim President from North(where i come from, in fact we are from the same town) died of illness and was succeeded by his Vice President who is a Christian, from Southern Nigeria. there is now a tension because there is this agreement drawn up by the ruling party 4 or 5 years ago that the post of President will be zoned to the north for 8 years then the south will assume the position for the next 8 years. based on this agreement the late president was elected, now that he died after 3 years of his tenure and The Current President is from the South.  there is this heated debate on whether they should cancel the agreement or not

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #6 - July 07, 2010, 06:20 AM

    losing faith is one of the scariest experiences one can endure
    equaled and surpassed ONLY by telling friends and family

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #7 - July 07, 2010, 09:34 AM

    Welcome Naija Smiley
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #8 - July 07, 2010, 06:20 PM

    Welcome Naiji!
    Ur gonna love it here!
    Feel free to post and get involved in convos, you'll learn a lot.
    && there are people here who understand and are willing to give u a helping hand or encouraging words.
     far away hug
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #9 - July 07, 2010, 06:57 PM

    welcome aboard brother, i just got your PM, i will holla at you soon.....feel free to vent here!!! far away hug

    "There aint no devil, it's just God when he's drunk"- Tom Waits
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #10 - July 08, 2010, 01:08 AM

    welcome brother!
    from this:
    Quote
    I used to have a strong faith, i pray 5 times daily, i fast for ramadan month, i even went on a lesser pilgrimage to mecca and medina. i went round holy ka'aba 7 times, i kissed the black stone, i went to safa and marva, i drank Holy zamzam water and i also visited the tomb of Muhammad and three First caliph:Abubakar, Umar and Uthman bin affan
    just like every muslim during my teenage years, i dreamed of going to heaven, drink pure wine,honey, milk and houris(Virgins) fulfilling my sexual needs and dread the idea of being in hell fire for eternity which causes me to fear not to commit sin
    just like most muslims i have a strong resentment for non-muslims because then to my point of view they are all led astray and will end up in hellfire.

    to this:
    Quote
    after my renouncement, i found a new perception of this life that is good and experience new found freedom of thoughts. i realized that freedom to think is the best gift that mother of nature has given to mankind. my mind has unshackle itself from the claws of dogma. it will be over my dead body to give up my new faith. my conscience has changed which lead to the change of my character and personality. i see the world full of unexplored territory, the parts that haven't yet been explored. there is an abundance of many ideas that will work and make constant changes in every way, abundance of opportunities to take advantage of, the whole point is my way of thinking has changed.

    thats quite a journey. i wish you all the best!
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #11 - July 21, 2010, 12:25 PM

    i just told my course mate that i am an ex-muslim, i don't know how?
    we were in a library together, he was copying some video clips in my laptop, then he saw me browsing CEMB, i didn't mind because he is a christian.when he asked me if i am an ex-muslim, i kept quiet, then he said i don't need to tell him, he already observed am not like most muslims that he knows besides he never sees me praying or fast during the last ramadan( we always eat together at the restaurant).finally i told him but he was little disappointed when i told him that i am a deist hoping i might be a christian.
    my fear is that i hope he is not going tell any one of my muslim friends although he said he is not going to tell any one. i have hard time trusting people.
    but if he tells one of them, i am going to deny it vehemently

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #12 - July 21, 2010, 12:32 PM

     Cry  hang in there naija.  Certainly not added stress you need going to school.
     far away hug

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #13 - July 21, 2010, 07:44 PM

    it's alright, i guess i over panicked. for now i will see if i can trust him with the info but once he spills the beans out. i will be in denial mode.
    sometimes i just want to express my mind without caring for any consequences when i am with my friend e.g. i always oppose my friends point of view anytime they talk about marriage, how they will find a woman that they can control and do whatever they wish  to do with them just like how the qur'an stated.
    plus they believe that Marrying off a 17 year old girl to suitable person is good because she will not be corrupted and become a whore.this is whole load of crap.
    I can't pretend to agree with these points they are making.it's irritating

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #14 - July 21, 2010, 10:56 PM

    I look at it this way
    admit to being the most despicable person alive
    make a funny comment, finish it with "I'm so evil"
    look at a woman, and then tell your buddy "I'm going to hell"
    bombard people with just how damned you are
    smiling the whole time of course
    and just go about your business as par usual

    remember
    hell is where all the cool people are going anyhow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnA3svBlNA&playnext_from=TL&videos=nSIMI2D191s

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #15 - July 21, 2010, 11:59 PM

    how sad, Naija, especially for the women  Cry

    are men very abusive towards women there?

    the lucky lady that finds you, a rare gem amongst
    clods of dirt!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #16 - July 22, 2010, 12:01 AM

    Welcome

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #17 - July 22, 2010, 12:54 PM

    how sad, Naija, especially for the women  Cry

    are men very abusive towards women there?

    the lucky lady that finds you, a rare gem amongst
    clods of dirt!


    Some men abuse their women but they keep it among themselves,the problem with the women of our generation here is that they prefer to marry a man that is wealthy or capable of taking care of them(House,Car, Clothes, jewelleries etc) rather than be independent on their own.this mentality comes from their mothers which most of them were in arranged marriage back in 70's and 80's.it's unfortunate that they are born to think this way which is not good.
     a very pretty Cousin of mine married a wealthy young man who already has a wife.she thought that if she married him, he will never marry another woman again only later to find out that he is having an affair with a young girl, she suffered a depression as a result of that and was taken to her mother's place. what's even funny and stupid is that her mother and the siblings thought she was possessed by Jinn Cheesy, they started torturing the poor girl by putting red pepper in her eyes so that the jinns will come out of her body and go, it even reach to the point that they will cut her back with the razor for the jinns to come out of the wounds Cheesy Cheesy, when my mother heard about it she stopped them from doing so and took her to psychiatric hospital.
    she became as thin as skeleton, if you were there you will feel horrible at the sight of her and she became pregnant and had a daughter, what even made me angry was that her husband didn't even care about the all ordeals she went through ,i felt like punching the guy right on his face.
    it took her a year to recover from the depression,by that time her husband has already married another girl(not the one he had an affair with) and took her daughter away from her, fortunately my mother hired a lawyer who decided to take  case to the court only later her husband return the daughter to her.
    of all the ordeal she went through she still went back to that Mofo for the security Jail time rather than be independent on her own.

    Thanks Jinn and tonic far away hug 001_wub


    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #18 - July 22, 2010, 04:03 PM

    Naija Infidel, welcome!  cool2

    That story is absolutely shocking.

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #19 - July 22, 2010, 04:15 PM

    omg, naija!!!  I think, if you havent already, write a book!  Im serious!
    one that will reach the hearts of everyone around the world.  Everyone
    is sooo focused on southeast asia and the middle east and possibly
    north africa) they dont realize the oppression, attrocities, and
    horror in other parts of africa.  And while I was aware of some of this,
    you are the first i have met that can share first hand accounts.

    If you EVER need to vent, talk, or whatever, I will listen, sincerely
       yes
     far away hug far away hug far away hug

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #20 - July 22, 2010, 04:28 PM

    You could fill a library with the stuff that happens in Africa, seen some of it myself on my trips back there.

    Naija, is boko haram still active in Nigeria atm? They are absolute scum, honestly.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #21 - July 22, 2010, 04:57 PM

    Greetings and salutations, Naija.  Greetings

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #22 - July 22, 2010, 08:59 PM

    @ abz; it's possible that they still exist but not in public, they no longer pose threat to our nation but i fear that they will be more group like them. i just hope it won't affect my hometown because the people are vulnerable to this kind of influence due to their idlenes

    @ Jinn and tonic;  thnkyu i feel flattered cool2
    i will keep on writing and share more about what is going in my country
    I do have question for everyone, Seriously if you're having a conversation with a muslim. how can you keep it normal without bringing the topic of religion

    This Afternoon i visited a friend of mine and we were talking about life in general then the topic led to the film industry. i told him if the opportunity of working in the film industry in any capacity that i see fit and make a contribution to it, i would jump at it. then he said as a muslim it's not going to be possible and my parents won't allow it. i said i won't let my parents and my religion be an obstacle for me after all this is between me and God. then he started ranting how wrong it is and how i will offend Allah by disobeying my parents.just as we are about to start arguing his friend came into the room and interrupted us and we forgot about it.

    this just reminds me of the conversation i once had  with another friend of mine when i was in Junior high school. i once said to him how cool it will be to be in space. then he started asking me how i would pray, what would i use for ablution? on and on and on? in fact he was discouraging me from thinking about it because to his own point of view i will become a KAFFIR

    this kind of mentality inhibits their intelligence and represses their creativity which leads them to become unproductive

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #23 - July 22, 2010, 09:09 PM

    Naija said: .... i once said to him how cool it will be to be in space then he started asking me how i would pray, what would i use for ablution? on and on and on? in fact he was discouraging me from thinking about it because to his own point of view i will become a KAFFIR.....

     LOL  You mean to tell me, that muslims will refuse
    to go into outspace b/c of the direction thing?  Oh, how well planned and forseen
    the big sky daddy was in the koran about this!  that is DEFINITELY a
    "AHA" moment!   Cheesy

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #24 - July 23, 2010, 07:26 AM

    Welcome Smiley

    Thank you for the post.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #25 - August 11, 2010, 11:27 AM

    To Mods; Just realized i made a mistake,is their a way to transfer this topic to ex-muslim bio and blog
    Thanks

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #26 - August 11, 2010, 01:58 PM

    It's been three years since i left Islam, for fear of being disowned, losing my close friends and loved ones, and possibly be killed for apostasy, i have hidden these secrets up till now. any time the thought comes to my mind, i feel sad,desponded and depressed. i weep for the day my beloved mother(who made it her maternal duty to teach me about my faith) will find out about it.She has a strong faith in islam and dedicated to it.

    I first learned about Allah(God) when i was 7 from my mother. She told me he is our creator of heavens and earth as well as mankind and also he created every living organism. But my natural curiosity in me wants to know more about Allah,so i kept asking many questions such as ; why is Allah unseen?, does he have any physical form?, how can i commmunicate with him since he is our creator and all sorts of question including his existence. some people couldn't give me an accurate answer, while most discourage me from asking this sort of question because it is shirk. at the end the flames of my curiosity was extinguish and i finally accepted the faith.

    since then i started researching about islam especially it's history(how it evolved, how it was spread around the world).the more i research the more i started having doubts on Islam.before i used to read qur'an with enthusiasm in arabic or listen to scholars sermon , but when i start reading it in english all i see is allah making constant threats to mankind that he will send them to hellfire if they don't accept him as their god and muhammad as his messenger,repetition of messages and cursing jews and other unbeliever. i started to question myself that  is this really the book sent down from heaven. in fact we only heard from our parents and grandparents telling us qur'an is the word of god(ironically it was same statement that quraish people made when they told muhammad that how could they abandoned what they forefathers taught them).and most scientific claims in the qur’an are wrong . there are so many reasons that made me lose faith in islam.

    After my renouncement, i found a new perception of this life that is good and experience new found freedom of thoughts. i realized that freedom to think is the best gift that mother of nature has given to mankind. my mind has unshackle itself from the claws of dogma. it will be over my dead body to give up my new faith. my conscience has changed which lead to the change of my character and personality. i see the world full of unexplored territory, the parts that haven't yet been explored. there is an abundance of many ideas that will work and make constant changes in every way, abundance of opportunities to take advantage of, the whole point is my way of thinking has changed.

    But my biggest problem and my major worry is that nobody knows that i have change my faith. my family and society value islam more than anything.i have always been confronted by my parents and loved ones for missing salat prayers,for the past two years i have not fast for ramadan and the month is due to start next week .i don't how long i am going to pretend being a muslim,i fear that i may be disowned.

    We are not alone.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Bad news
     Reply #27 - August 22, 2010, 05:24 PM

    my parents have just found out about my apostasy today
    they confronted and told me how they have been watching over me and my roommate in school went and told them that i don't pray and fast.
    I denied all the accusations they made at me but they refused to back down, they kept on pushing me on and on until i confessed(which was a very huge risk and stupid move) now they are trying to convert me back or else i will be disowned
    anyway i need your help to give some articles and posts that i could use to defend myself and show them why i am not a muslim, although i don't think they will be convinced.
    just feel that i should tell you all about my condition

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #28 - August 22, 2010, 05:40 PM

    If you're financially dependent on them I think you should still try and deny all.  Just back track and say you're having doubts, but you still believe in God.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of muslims
     Reply #29 - August 22, 2010, 05:43 PM

    Suck it up and tell them you were wrong. As long as your dependant on them, it's not worth trying to convince them that you're right.


    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

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