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  • A muslim ...NOT!
     OP - August 24, 2010, 04:45 PM
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    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #1 - August 24, 2010, 04:48 PM
    Welcome Mufa.   Smiley

    We have several threads in the Science sub forum dealing with embryology and similar claims.  I was going to link you, but if your brother is going to hit you with all the science in the Qu'ran bull shit I'd recommend you take a browse through that part of the forum.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #2 - August 24, 2010, 04:50 PM
    Welcome mufa!
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #3 - August 24, 2010, 04:57 PM
    Quote from: mufa9a on August 24, 2010, 04:45 PM
    hey hey, Not sure if i am posting this in the correct place  but oh well !

    i got referred to this site from this man i met on Atheist Nexus . this site is genius! got the feeling i'll form an addiction the next coming weeks . i've been on this site for a bit over a month but only recently (today) read some posts . i read the post about numerical miracle in the Quran ,a post that i was also referred to by the same person and i got excited! u see  i had a mini discussion with my little brother about religion. he scanned a book i had bought in Jordan and saw the mention of Richard Dawkins in the back. after i asked him what he thought  , he said, i'm not a fan of Richard Dawkins. mind you, my brother recently started getting religious. beard, praying and all .so he asked me two minutes later : are you looking for proof? i haven't really come out as an atheist but i didn't wanna hide my books out of fear of going crazy. anyways  the story ends with him sending me *miracle emails* one of which mentioned the miracle of numbers in the Quran and i was about to start researching it for myself but my will failed me . so it's really good to see some people already on it . i'm getting inspired to join in . i'll probably reply to each of his emails with my own emails that disprove it . oh, he sent miracle of embryology . im still not quite sure how i'll respond to his emails. any advice?

    ps. 28 year old living in Saudi here  dance


    Welcome  Smiley

    You might find these two videos helpful:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLg-SRGMNk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAVrmZVgH78
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #4 - August 24, 2010, 05:07 PM
    Quote from: mufa9a on August 24, 2010, 04:45 PM
    oh, he sent miracle of embryology . im still not quite sure how i'll respond to his emails. any advice?

    This was discussed several times ago.

    Just click the stamps on top of the quotes to see the complete threads.


    Quote from: Cheetah on June 15, 2009, 09:32 PM
    The claims of embryology in the Qur'an originated with Professor Keith Moore, a former professor of Anatomy at the University of Toronto, Canada, who at one stage worked at the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.  In the early 1980s this man produced a special edition of his standard textbook on embryology after claiming that he was ""astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established"

    He has since achieved a similar level of fame among muslims as Maurice Bucaille, although like Bucaille, he never converted to Islam despite having apparently proven that the Qur'an was the word of God.   Roll Eyes

    Some info about him here....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_L._Moore

    There's so much wrong with the claims Moore made, I'll just leave it till tomorrow to organise and summarise it all, I'm too tired tonight.  (In a nutshell, Mohammed plagiarised it all off Galen, including all Galen's mistakes).  In the meantime, this video might be of interest......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Hpk8qiOWk&feature=channel_page

    Quote from: Solarjaaz on August 09, 2010, 11:22 PM
    Here's a video showing a few of the embryonic errors in the Qur'an:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGm-_etZmWk

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #5 - August 24, 2010, 05:14 PM
    What gets me about the claims that the Qur'an reveals miraculous information about embryology etc... in the Qur'an is that the God clearly did a rubbish job of conveying this miraculous information since the Muslim scientists at their height spent all their time using the books of the Greeks and their commentators as their starting points - and made similar mistakes and assumptions as they did.

    If only they had read the Qur'an!

    They have to wait 1400 years for non-Muslims to discover the details of embryology and other areas of science and suddenly Muslims shout:

    "It was in the Qur'an all along!"
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #6 - August 24, 2010, 05:35 PM
    Moore didn't convert to Islam? Huh? Interesting.
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #7 - August 24, 2010, 05:49 PM
    Welcome mufa!! Good to see more saudis stumbling here Smiley
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #8 - August 24, 2010, 05:54 PM
    It's a big surprise that this site hasn't been blocked in Saudi yet.  


    Quote from: mufa9a on August 24, 2010, 04:45 PM
    i haven't really come out as an atheist but i didn't wanna hide my books out of fear of going crazy

    Quote from: mufa9a on August 24, 2010, 04:45 PM
    ps. 28 year old living in Saudi here  dance

    Also, they'll never tolerate it. No matter what.

    Maybe it's best to leave the country if you're going to do so.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #9 - August 24, 2010, 06:13 PM
    Thanks Cheetah!
    i'll have to check them out . i can only hope that anything i send back his way will make him at least consider the possibility of these claims to be untrue  .
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #10 - August 24, 2010, 06:16 PM
    thanks Allat .

    my nickname is actually mufa9a   9 representing a letter in arabic .
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #11 - August 24, 2010, 06:17 PM
    Thanks Hassan
    i'll have to check them out . at the moment  i'm gonna get ready to go out .
    dull hospital appointment.
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #12 - August 24, 2010, 06:19 PM
    interesting ! so interesting ... what i fear though is that someone who is so engrossed with islam will look at this and think , it's the kuffar , they are attacking islam. its not true

    which is all true except for the last part . we are kuffar  (to them) we are attacking islam (kinda)
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #13 - August 24, 2010, 06:22 PM
    poopy  There Must be more out there !! huh ?
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #14 - August 24, 2010, 06:23 PM
    Welcome to the forum, mufa9a. victory


    Quote from: mufa9a on August 24, 2010, 04:45 PM
    i got referred to this site from this man i met on Atheist Nexus . this site is genius! got the feeling i'll form an addiction the next coming weeks . i've been on this site for a bit over a month but only recently (today) read some posts . i read the post about numerical miracle in the Quran ,a post that i was also referred to by the same person

    I'll pretend it wasn't me that referred you to this site.  whistling2

    Enjoy.  grin12

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #15 - August 24, 2010, 06:24 PM
    .
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #16 - August 24, 2010, 06:25 PM
    hahahaha

    i was very subtle wasn't i ??
    reason is i forgot the name you went by . Mr.Ateapotist
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #17 - August 24, 2010, 06:32 PM
    sweet! just discovered the Quote option!
    sorry guys , future posts will be more organized that way  clap
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #18 - August 24, 2010, 06:34 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on August 24, 2010, 05:35 PM
    Moore didn't convert to Islam? Huh? Interesting.


    No, I emailed him and he told me he hadn't.  On that video he made 2 claims

    1: The embryonic information in the Quran (as presented to him at least) is accurate.
    2: He doesn't know how Muhammad could have known that information unless God revealed it to him.

    Now he will only say "I stand by what I said ABOUT THE QURAN" (my emphasis).  When asked he refused to comment on whether or not he believes point 2, and won't comment on the work of Aristotle and Galen which not only predated Muhammad but was also apparently available in Alexandria in Arabic.

    In short, he did it for the money - and that really disappoints me.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #19 - August 24, 2010, 06:45 PM
    Quote from: mufa9a on August 24, 2010, 06:25 PM
    i was very subtle wasn't i ??
    reason is i forgot the name you went by . Mr.Ateapotist

    No worries mufa9a.  grin12

    You are the first person I have personally referred to this forum. yay Time to celebrate. sloshed

    I'm gonna change the world, bit by bit.  plan evil
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #20 - August 24, 2010, 07:08 PM
     woohoo


    and  thnkyu you're right . This site is addictive. for many reasons..
    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #21 - August 24, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Looks like now that the 'scientific miracles' have been debunked to feck that these so-called numerical miracles are what theyre running to now. Nothing sleazier than bogus special effects, I say.And welome, neophyte
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #22 - August 24, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on August 24, 2010, 06:34 PM
    No, I emailed him and he told me he hadn't.  On that video he made 2 claims

    1: The embryonic information in the Quran (as presented to him at least) is accurate.
    2: He doesn't know how Muhammad could have known that information unless God revealed it to him.

    Now he will only say "I stand by what I said ABOUT THE QURAN" (my emphasis).  When asked he refused to comment on whether or not he believes point 2, and won't comment on the work of Aristotle and Galen which not only predated Muhammad but was also apparently available in Alexandria in Arabic.

    In short, he did it for the money - and that really disappoints me.


    That was my initial thought, but Zakir Naik claimed More said the shahada in one of his books.  Huh? It's one lie after another with that guy.
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #23 - August 24, 2010, 08:40 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 24, 2010, 05:14 PM
    What gets me about the claims that the Qur'an reveals miraculous information about embryology etc... in the Qur'an is that the God clearly did a rubbish job of conveying this miraculous information since the Muslim scientists at their height spent all their time using the books of the Greeks and their commentators as their starting points - and made similar mistakes and assumptions as they did.

    If only they had read the Qur'an!

    They have to wait 1400 years for non-Muslims to discover the details of embryology and other areas of science and suddenly Muslims shout:

    "It was in the Qur'an all along!"

    The scienctific knowledge contained in the Quran was stolen by Jews. That's the reason the scientific know how is missing from Muslim countries.

    The proof of that is there for everyone to see: 12 millions Jews end up winning almost 130 Nobel Prizes, while 1200 million Muslims have won only 6 - how is that possible? Only explanation is that Jews stole all the knowledge contained in the Quran and substituted the bogus sceince like the Sun sets in the muddy waters or the Earth is supported by pegs etc.

    One more thing - Jews are holding the knowledge in secret books hidden away in some deep caverns in Israel, USA and India; nobody can get at it. It has come to my light that Hindu hermits in the caves of Mount Everest (Himalayas) are conspiring with the Jews. The problem is no Muslim has climbed the Mount Everest.
    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
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  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #24 - August 24, 2010, 09:41 PM
    Quote from: Ram on August 24, 2010, 08:40 PM
    ........It has come to my light  that Hindu hermits in the caves of Mount Everest (Himalayas) are conspiring with the Jews. The problem is no Muslim has climbed the Mount Everest.

    I know your posts Mr. Ram., but I say your light has no photons or your light detectors are not working properly.. You got to go to "Photon counting mode" to find that., Any ways., Muslim did climb mount Everest..

     Nazir Ahmad  Sabir Pakistan in May 2000
     Saeed Toosi  Iranian from US of A  May 2000

    Quote
    And  Two Iranians are the first Muslim women to conquer Mount Everest after a 10-week expedition that was beset by bad weather and an avalanche that injured other team members. Farkhondeh Sadegh, a graphic designer, and Laleh Keshavarz, a dentist, hoisted their country's tricolor flag on the 29,035-foot summit, together with six Iranian men, on Monday morning.

    "It's fantastic," Mohammad Hajabolfath, the editor of the website Iran Mountain Zone (www.mountainzone.ir), told the Monitor by telephone from Tehran. "It is a very big thing for women in Iran. Because of appalling weather conditions, most climbers here expected to hear the Iranian team would be returning unsuccessfully."

    So people born in Islam did climb Mount Everest. Or may be those who climber mount Everest by default can not be Muslims.. The are Ex-Ms... lol..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #25 - August 25, 2010, 12:34 AM
    Pakistan does win the Nobel Prize for Conspiracy theories though.  Some of the ones I have heard are whoppers. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #26 - August 25, 2010, 02:13 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on August 25, 2010, 12:34 AM
    Pakistan does win the Nobel Prize for Conspiracy theories though.  Some of the ones I have heard are whoppers.

    Israel wants to stop Pakistan - the great defender of the Muslim ummah! Cheesy
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #27 - August 25, 2010, 02:33 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 24, 2010, 09:41 PM
    I know your posts Mr. Ram., but I say your light has no photons or your light detectors are not working properly.. You got to go to "Photon counting mode" to find that., Any ways., Muslim did climb mount Everest..

     Nazir Ahmad  Sabir Pakistan in May 2000
     Saeed Toosi  Iranian from US of A  May 2000
    So people born in Islam did climb Mount Everest. Or may be those who climber mount Everest by default can not be Muslims.. The are Ex-Ms... lol..

    OK yeezevee. I am glad that some Muslims are venturing out. I did not know.
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    Entire World is One Family
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  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #28 - April 08, 2011, 08:19 PM
     parrot  parrot  parrot  parrot  parrot  parrot  parrot  parrot  parrot

    (That's right, 9 parrots for 1 parrot. Ex-19er style.)
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: A muslim ...NOT!
     Reply #29 - April 08, 2011, 08:34 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy  dance
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