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  • Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     OP - September 08, 2010, 08:30 AM

    Did you know that the Taraweeh prayers are Omar's sunnah and not the prophet's? Mohamed only performed it 3 times, then on the fourth night he asked his followers to go and pray them at home.

    Read on.....


    Taraweeh Prayer(Al Qiyaam)

    Both al-Bukhaari (1129) and Muslim (761) narrated from ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) prayed one night in the mosque, and the people followed him in prayer. Then he prayed the next night, and many people came. Then they gathered on the third or fourth night, and the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did not come out to them. The next morning he said: “I saw what you did, and nothing kept me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you.” And that was in Ramadan


    These hadith show that praying Taraweeh in congregation is prescribed in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him).  Umar during his Khilafah restablished this Sunnah of prayer in congregation.


    It was narrated in al-Saheehayn from ‘Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) would forgo doing something that he liked to do lest the people do it and it become obligatory upon them. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1060; Muslim, Salaat al-Musaafireen, 1174).

     
    al-Bukhaari (2010) narrated that ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abd al-Qaari said: I went out with ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) to the mosque one night in Ramadan, and the people were scattered, each man praying by himself. Some men would pray and have groups of people behind them following them. ‘Umar said: “I think that if I unite all these people with one reader, it will be better. Then he resolved to gather them behind Ubayy ibn Ka’b. 


    al-Haafiz said: Ibn al-Teen and others said that ‘Umar based this decision on the Prophet’s approval of those who prayed with him on those nights. Although he disliked that for them, that was based on the fear that it might be made obligatory for them. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) died, there was no longer any fear of that happening, and ‘Umar thought, because of the potential division that might arise from people praying separately, and because uniting them behind one reader is more motivating for many people. The majority agreed with ‘Umar’s decision. End quote from Fath al-Baari.


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    http://www.muslimconverts.com/ramadhaan/tarawi_prayer.htm

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  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #1 - September 08, 2010, 08:34 AM

    Umar was also the person that introduced the practise of sounding the adhan twice at jumma prayers.
    In fact I remember learning from my Imam that these acts of Umar were one of the key reasons why bidat was a nonsense concept - innovations were made after Mo's time and needed to be made forever more.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #2 - September 08, 2010, 08:37 AM

    ^indeed
    it is in my opinion, a good thing not all muslims are dead against all "inventions"

    many sunni scholars believe, sunnah is not what mohammed did, but mohammed's path of living.
    otherwise, reading quran like the way people do, is also a bid'a. othman's standard quran, is also a bid'a.
  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #3 - September 08, 2010, 11:04 AM

    Well, my point is that, Muslims are following Omar's sunnah, rather than Mohamed's. At leat regarding the Taraweeh prayers.  Since Mohamed has discouraged his followers to do it after he started it. And the fact that Mohamed only did it in group for 3 nights only.... Omar, by reincarnating it, he bluntly disobeyed the one and only prophet.. Moe Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #4 - September 08, 2010, 11:13 AM

    that is the argument of some muslims. most others don't think it is disobeying. Still, a usable argument for hidden apostates who don't want to go to taraweeh.  dance
  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #5 - September 08, 2010, 11:57 AM


    Yes, I do know this about the Tarawih prayers; the scholars do accept it as well as other things from Umar because of the following Hadith:

     "Those of you who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my Sunnah and that of the Rightly Guided Caliphs [i.e. Abu Bakr, `Umar ibn Al-Khattab, `Uthman ibn `Affan, and `Ali ibn Abi Talib]. Hold to it, and stick fast to it. Avoid novelties [in matters of religion], for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. (Abu Dawud)
  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #6 - September 08, 2010, 12:04 PM

    If I were a muslim, I would disregard that hadeeth. It's very political, and could easily be invented.
    The caliphs and caliph-dom were also in disputes themselves. The ashaab were in dispute themselves.
    Which one would be the right one to pick? Where would one place the war of the camel?

    There are just too many things that could be used against this, and that's why scholars themselves are in dispute even today.
  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #7 - September 08, 2010, 01:03 PM


    There are many other hadiths on how the caliphs would die as well as Hussein the son of ali. If I don't make a mistake there is one about Aisha and the battle of the camel.
  • Re: Group Taraweeh: is Omar's sunnah not Mohammad's
     Reply #8 - September 08, 2010, 01:27 PM

    regardless the point stands does it not?
    mohammed never appointed caliphs, never mentioned their names. he gave words of acknowledgment to many of them. if there was a prophet after me you would be it. you are to me as haroon was to moses. allah always make omer right etc.

    on a side note, those guys who were always right, often disputed, fought against each other. and omar, said the prophet was delirious, who regarding to the qur'an, always speaks right.

    it's tough to be a rational muslim. harder to be a one that respects anything other than qur'an.
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