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  • let down by my own
     OP - September 09, 2010, 09:59 AM

    Hi Everyone,

    I am a new member here. My name is A.M i am aged 30,female. I just want to share with you my own story of how i came to be an ex.


    Igrew up in a highly practising family, we enjoyed the islamic festivals together, went to the mosque together, i really had a lot of fun growing up.  I loved ramadhan especially, we cooked,laughted,listen to islamic kaswidas my life was just musically holy. I never questioned,never asked, afterall islam was part of our culture and the culture made us. I later grew up,went for studies and i met someone who i wanted to get married to. This is where my new life started. My family were not very pleased at all, my choosen partner wasnt a muslim nor a christian, he wasnt my skin type either ( he was european) he was also a non believer. I liked him alot, he was well educated and worked many years in islamic countries with his embassy, he never imposed his religious views,his culture,his habits. He just accepted me the way i was, mind you i was a muslim. We lived apart since we were not married, and couldnt be married because my 'issues'. We just dated; while dating, he understood where i came from, never asked me to sleep with him, never asked me to drink alcohol, he really respected me. I still behaved like a muslim, prayed,fasted etc.

    While going for dinner one time, my husband to be, proposed, i was exited and said yes, i gave him my condition that he must convert for my family to accept him, he politely declined, he said he loves me but would not convert to something he did not understand, he said if i can prove to him that God existed then he would. I challenged him to anumber of things,when i failed, i consulted a sheikh ; he encouraged me to win him over and that if he refuses to accept then i should not marry him, 'marrying a non muslim will make me an outcast' i will be the same as him -a non believer.

    The issue really stressed me, i was stuck, i did not want to be a non believer, i did not want to be an outcast in my own community, i also did not want to be without my guy, he accepted me for who i was. why couldnt i do the same? after much thought and consulting my uncle who has been married to a non believing wife, he simply said ' do what makes sense to you' .


  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #1 - September 09, 2010, 10:07 AM

    Quote
    do what makes sense to you' .


    Exactly this ^

    And welcome to the forums!  far away hug

    ...
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #2 - September 09, 2010, 10:15 AM

    continuation :
     I grew up terrified of embarrasing my family; i remember as a young teenager refusing to play with boys,going out on my own. i used to be so careful!!


    with my uncle on my side, i informed my parents. I said i choose my husband and will live in my actions, if i will go to hell then that is fine, my mother saw the sense of it all,she understood me much more than my father.Atleast i have the choice of choosing my own partner, she wasnt that lucky. we did a small ceremony, where i only invited my mother,sister and one brother. I had a civil wedding witnessed my 60 friends and colleagues. My father did not want to be there and i could understand.He must be ashamed of me. I must have let him down. We communicate on the phone but he has never come to my home.  

    I thank God that my husband was there for me, he simply could not understand, his family all attended our wedding, they never asked him why he was marrying a muslim woman!.

    Its been since 3 years since my marriage, I have never experienced so much happiness like i am now, inside my house with my husband i am very happy. It is just challenging when it comes to the islamic community and my relatives.



  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #3 - September 09, 2010, 10:23 AM

    Glad you finally found us, I hope it all works well for you & you father eventually accepts your decision.  Have you told any muslims you no longer believe in Islam?  How did you bump into this site?

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #4 - September 09, 2010, 10:30 AM

    Welcome to the forum, outcastedgal. Smiley

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #5 - September 09, 2010, 10:37 AM

    (Belated) congratulations on your marriage!

    They outcast you in part probably for fear that they themselves will be outcast.  You at least are brave enough to make a stand and do what is right, congratulations and welcome!

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #6 - September 09, 2010, 10:51 AM

    Welcome. I kinda have the hots for your husband now. Just kidding!!! or am I?
    Anyway, I welcome you to the land of no judgment!11!

    "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not."
    -Andre Gide
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #7 - September 09, 2010, 11:26 AM

    Hi Islame,thinkfree,whyabadi,rationalizer and RIBS,


    Thank you all for your wonderful replies, i feel like this is the only place i can share my thoughts without people been judgmental.

    how i came to be an ex : it wasnt my decision at the start. I realised i was been boycotted by muslim friends,never been invited to islamic ceremonies. According to my relatives and friends i was no longer a muslim because my husband wasnt, they therefore did not expect me to behaving like a muslim after marrying my husband. I found this strange, according to me i was still a muslim after marrying my husband, i was who i was, how did all that change because of my marriage?


    A particular time, i threw a small party in my house, i invited my colleagues,few non muslim friends and my mother,sister and brother, on that day my aunt came with my mother. She was awfully suscipicious, she kept asking my mum what meat this is.... my mother was not happy and told me, i went to her and said that i would not serve anything i dont eat. , when it was prayers time, she said she was going back to pray. i told her she can pray in my house, i gave her a sallah,some large scarfs to pray with. She looked at me and said ' you mean you pray?'' i said yes i do, she just said 'your prayers will not be accepted, his not muslim' she walked out of my house.


    This is something i faced for a long time, always hinting to me that ' i am no longer one of them' . I then sat down and thought was it really that worthy to be in this religion? i made my decision soon after, i confident to no one apart from my husband, he feels sorry sometimes because we never get invited by my family for celebrations my mother is organizing eid lunch tomorrow inviting relatives and friends, she has not invited me and my husband. This makes me sad

    I feel bad that tomorrow is Eid and i have no family to go to to celebrate. I really miss the socialisation but do not regret my move.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #8 - September 09, 2010, 11:40 AM

    Welcome Outcastedgal - Nice to read that you followed your dream inspite of the obstacles and the present consequences. But stcik with it and remember marriage is not a happy ever after story! So work hard at it.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #9 - September 09, 2010, 11:40 AM

    Welcome to da forums!

    I think you got quite a unique way to look at your ex-muslim status. You seem to never have doubted that islam is true, but you left the religion because of the people around you not accepting your choices.

    Your husband sounds like a great guy. Im an atheist too, and i would allways be tempted to discuss religion with you.  Wink

    Well, my advice is to look for new friends and maybe bond with your husbands family more, even if they may celebrate christian holidays rather then islamic.

    Hope to hear more from you.

    parrot for you  parrot

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #10 - September 09, 2010, 11:46 AM

    Quote
    According to my relatives and friends i was no longer a muslim because my husband wasnt, they therefore did not expect me to behaving like a muslim after marrying my husband.


    I can understand where some of your family are coming from. According to the Qur'an a Muslim woman cannot marry an unbeliever. They will be led to hell fire if they do.

    2:221 ... do not marry your girls to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do but beckon you to the Fire.

    In their eyes you have gone against the word of Allah

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #11 - September 09, 2010, 12:02 PM

    Welcome to the forum, outcastedgal. victory


    I think you got quite a unique way to look at your ex-muslim status. You seem to never have doubted that islam is true, but you left the religion because of the people around you not accepting your choices.

     yes

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #12 - September 09, 2010, 01:26 PM

    If your family accepted you now, would you be able to revert back to Islam?

    In any case it may be forbidden for females to marry non-muslims, but if you do then it does not mean you become a non-muslim?  I just find your reasoning behind becoming an ex-muslim a little strange.

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #13 - September 09, 2010, 01:43 PM

    Hi Outcastgal

    Sounds like you've had a difficult ride. You made a brave move, I'm glad it is working out for you and that you are happy.  I too like the sound of your husband, he sound like a good man.

    Welcome to the forum...

    Hi
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #14 - September 09, 2010, 02:31 PM

    Welcome to the forum outcastgal.

    it sounds like your delimma is mainly a social delimma and not a religious related one .
    if you  are interested in reading up on different aspects of Islam and the Quran from an Ex muslim's point of view. you will find a lot of relevant material on this site.

    Good luck with your family Smiley   your mother probably doesn't want to upset the other muslims by inviting a non muslim and an ex muslim to the celebration of Eid. Muslims tend to be afraid of how  other fellow muslims  interpret their actions. some of them just need a push.

    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #15 - September 09, 2010, 02:58 PM

    Welcome outcastedgal. Continue to follow your heart and go with what your gut instincts tell you is right for you to do.  Smiley

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #16 - September 09, 2010, 05:46 PM

    Welcome to the forum!

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #17 - September 09, 2010, 06:46 PM

    hey-yah outcastgal !

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

    Nick Naylor: "I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right."~ Thank you for Smoking

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #18 - September 09, 2010, 06:47 PM



    2:221 .
    I can understand where some of your family are coming from. According to the Qur'an a Muslim woman cannot marry an unbeliever. They will be led to hell fire if they do.

    2:221 ... do not marry your girls to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do but beckon you to the Fire.

    In their eyes you have gone against the word of Allah

    : A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do but beckon you to the Fire. [/b]

    In their eyes you have gone against the word of Allah


    where does one obtain a man slave?

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #19 - September 09, 2010, 07:27 PM

    [
    :where does one obtain a man slave?


    are you in need of one?

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #20 - September 09, 2010, 07:36 PM

    well i wanted to know if they came in woman versions really

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #21 - September 13, 2010, 08:42 AM

    hi islame,

    i am a rational woman, i did my search and realised how cruel islam can be, not only for the fact that i married a kafir, i personally do mind going to the fire; which i now doubt it exists, the fact that the koran is indeed encouraging hatred for non believers, the fact you cannot question things also makes things harder to believe.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #22 - September 13, 2010, 08:52 AM

    Welcome to the forum. Sounds like you've made the right decision, and if your family can't accept it at the moment that's their problem. Hopefully they'll get used to the idea in a few more years. Smiley

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #23 - September 13, 2010, 01:31 PM

    Welcome to the forum. From your situation, I found a unique reason why the religion survived so far. Most of the men usually try to rationalize things. If not, then they skip plenty of prayers all the time. If men were the only ones in reproduction cycle, the religion would have gone long ago. For women, it is more about their social aspect. They want to be close to their family, also try to keep their family members sane etc, celebrations, festivities. And they are usually the ones to pass on all their family values to the kids.
    Don't worry, there are plenty of good festivals other then Eid. Eid-ul-Fitr is the only good thing in Islam, but it comes with a hefty price of ramadan fasting and taraweeh. If you are in North, 15-17 hour fast, reduced productivity at work and what not.  The other Eid, I am sorry, but that is most brutal Eid. No other religion would kill animals in such a huge scale just to please their gods. I never understood throughout my life why killing animals is related to goodness or happiness.

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #24 - September 13, 2010, 02:29 PM

    welcome Smiley

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #25 - September 15, 2010, 10:50 PM

    Your uncle is right. ' Do what makes sense to you' .

    I believe that true God wants you to be happy for yourself and be with your soulmate. 

    I also believe that TRUE GOD has never intended you to be fearful of Him. He never has really threatened you with hellfire. Scaremongers tell you warped stories about hateful God and His punishments for you in the afterlife, but God is not ever that.

    I don't believe that God ever uses threats to keep you in your place as a Muslim.

    God is like your parent: He cares about you and loves you. 
    God never wants you to be afraid of Him. I think that God has indeed sent you a soulmate, a very caring, loving one.
    You must have long prayed for a soulmate and your prayers are now being answers.  I have the feeling that God has sent you a non-Muslim soulmate, because He wants you to have happiness and union with a soulmate.

    Accept God's gift of a soulmate and live happily with him.

  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #26 - September 15, 2010, 11:09 PM

    You must have long prayed for a soulmate and your prayers are now being answers.  I have the feeling that God has sent you a non-Muslim soulmate, because He wants you to have happiness and union with a soulmate.

    Accept God's gift of a soulmate and live happily with him.

    How do you know -  I thought you were still looking for a religion to believe in?

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  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #27 - September 29, 2010, 06:00 AM

    a merciless god, if you ask me.... heaven and hell as i know are just between my ears. There is no KLM Flight that goes there!!!


    I feel liberated to be honest.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #28 - October 01, 2010, 02:39 PM

    It really warmed my heart reading your story  Smiley Well done and have fun, remember that you're too good for them!

    Be yourself.
  • Re: let down by my own
     Reply #29 - October 18, 2010, 08:20 AM

    Hi and welcome   Roll Eyes

    heres ur customery  parrot

    but since there is love and romance have another  parrot

     Smiley

    All I know is that the universe is a beautiful & complicated place. I think we are beautiful beings. Everyday I find something to marval at. I just hope I don't get burned in eternal torment because I miscalculated the truth level of a 7th Century camel salesman's feverish rantings. ~ BlackDog
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