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  • Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     OP - September 10, 2010, 09:35 AM

    Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning


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    The Florida  pastor who threatened to burn copies of the Qur'an on the anniversary of 9/11 has "suspended" the event, amid conflicting claims over a deal involving a planned mosque near Ground Zero in New York.

    The extremist preacher, Terry Jones, first said he had cancelled the bookburning, after condemnation by Barack Obama, the Pentagon, the state department and international outrage.

    Jones then said the event was only on hold, claiming he had been "lied to" over a deal to call it off in exchange for a promise to move a planned Islamic centre away from Ground Zero.

    Speaking outside his Dove World Outreach Centre church in Gainesville, Florida Terry Jones said: "As of right now, we are not cancelling the event, but we are suspending it."

    The confusion over whether the event will take place has done little to quell the global outrage at the prospect of burning of the holy book of Islam. Around 10,000 Afghans took to the streets chanting anti-US slogans in a protest today in the province of Badakhshan - the largest demonstration so far.

    The Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, expressed hope Jones would not proceed.

    "The Qur'an is in the hearts and minds of all ... Muslims but the affront against the holy book is a humiliation to the people," Karzai told reporters at his palace after prayers. "We are hopeful that he gives up this affront and should not even think about it."

    The president of Indonesia, home of the world's largest Muslim population, called on the US to ensure that no burnings took place.

    "I continue to urge the government and the people of the United States to ensure the prevention of such an incomprehensible, irrational and immoral act," Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said in a speech.

    Jones claimed he was not bowing to the pressure from the White House and abroad but had taken the decision because of the agreement. However, it emerged last night that Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, had phoned Jones and asked him not carry out his threat.

    Jones also claimed he was planning to fly to New York to discuss the proposed cultural centre's new location with the New York imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

    But the imam, in a statement issued last night, said he had not spoken to Jones.

    "I am glad that Pastor Jones has decided not to burn any Qur'ans. However, I have not spoken to Pastor Jones," he said. "I am surprised by their announcement. We are not going to toy with our religion or any other. Nor are we going to barter."

    There was a collective sigh of relief worldwide as Jones announced at a press conference that he was dropping his plan to set fire to 20 copies of the Qur'an. The burning had been planned to coincide with the ninth anniversary tomorrow of the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington.

    Interpol, the Pentagon and others warned that such an act would provoke violent acts around the world by outraged Muslims. There were protests in Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Muslim countries yesterday at the proposed burning.

    As tensions mounted, claims emerged from Germany that Jones was dismissed from a church he founded there after accusations that he mistreated his followers.

    Jones showed signs of being unnerved by the mounting pressure on Wednesday and hinted at a climbdown. In an interview with USA Today, he said he was rethinking the plan and would do so more seriously if Obama or anyone else from the government was to approach him directly.

    But the White House refused to contact him directly, suggesting that if the president engaged with a pastor with a flock numbering about 30, copycats might be encouraged. Interviewed on breakfast TV yesterday before the cancellation, President Obama spoke of "a recruitment bonanza" for al-Qaida. "This could increase the recruitment of individuals who would be willing to blow themselves up in American cities or European cities," he told ABC's Good Morning America show.

    The only unresolved issue is Jones's claim of a deal with Muslims in New York. Jones told reporters: "The imam has agreed to move the mosque, we have agreed to cancel our event on Saturday." He was accompanied by Imam Muhammad Musri, head of the Islamic Society of Central Florida. He added: "I, with [Musri], will be flying up [to New York] on Saturday to meet with [Feisal Abdul Rauf] at the Ground Zero mosque."

    He insisted that Musri had guaranteed the Islamic centre would be moved. "I asked him three times, and I have witnesses," Jones said. "If it's not moved, then I think Islam is a very poor example of religion. I think that would be very pitiful. I do not expect that."

    The Pentagon's fear was that the burning of Qur'ans could result in retaliatory attacks on US soldiers serving in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere.

    Interpol earlier yesterday issued a blunt warning that "violent attacks on innocent people would follow" if the stunt went ahead.

    In Pakistan, protesters burned an American flag and displayed a sign in English reading: "If Qur'an is burned it would be beginning of destruction of America."

    Sarah Palin linked the threat to the plan to build a mosque near the site of the World Trade Centre attack. "People have a constitutional right to burn a Qur'an if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero," she wrote in a Facebook message.

    Meanwhile, reports emerged yesterday of Jones's mission in Germany, where he established the Christian Community of Cologne in 1982 after having "received a sign from God". However, when Jones left Cologne 26 years later, it was as a disgraced preacher who had allegedly forced members to give him a percentage of their earnings, made them work for little or no money and caused the breakup of families and friendships. He reportedly also faked a title as doctor of theology, for which he was fined, and was eventually dismissed by the church board in 2008.

    Andrew Schäfer, an official sect monitor for the Protestant church in the Rhine region, who has closely observed the activities of the community, said Jones had "enormous manipulative potential" and believed his failure in Germany had led to his increased desire to achieve notoriety in Florida. "He has clearly not been able to cope with the immense loss of his power and significance," said Schäfer.

    Among the numerous reports of the ways in which Jones used to manipulate members were demands for money, as well as complete commitment to the community. Members were reportedly made to work in the community's "Lisa Jones" shops, named after his first wife, which sold secondhand clothes and furniture. They apparently worked long hours, lived on next to no wages, and had no health insurance – a requirement all German employers have to fulfil. They were forced to review relationships with family and friends and in some cases to break up with partners.


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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #1 - September 10, 2010, 09:43 AM

    I like the bit about him faking his credentials as a 'Doctor of Theology". I thought they were all fake.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #2 - September 10, 2010, 09:44 AM

    Ok. Now of course if someone in Afghanistan decided to burn 20 bibles there'd be a massive uproar. Imagine the violence n stuff.  whistling2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #3 - September 10, 2010, 09:52 AM

    I dunno, Oz; Christians used to burn each other and that didn't cause too much of a fuss.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #4 - September 10, 2010, 10:12 AM

    hehe, I just sent this into the Richard Dawkins site Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #5 - September 10, 2010, 10:19 AM

    Ok. Now of course if someone in Afghanistan decided to burn 20 bibles there'd be a massive uproar. Imagine the violence n stuff.  whistling2


    Google terms such as "Muslims burn bible" and see that this is not an unheard of occurance over the past few years. Strangely these ACTUAL acts have not given rise to the same sort of shrill cries of denunciation from the likes of Hilary Clinton or President Obama as the merely THREATENED koran-burning of a fringe US Christian preacher. Nor have we been given ominous warnings that such actions could put the lives of  Muslims the world over in danger from outraged Christians. Indeed, I am 100% certain that if a group of outraged American evangelicals went on a Muslimesque rampage against any Muslim they could lay their hands on in "revenge" for a bible burning thousands of miles away the blame for their actions would be laid ENTIRELY upon them and not on the Muslim bible burners. The words "bloody" and "hypocrisy" spring to mind.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #6 - September 10, 2010, 10:24 AM

    Aside from the pertinet arguments that "buring books leads to burning people" and it serves no useful purpose to poke a wasps' nest can anybody provide any other good reasons NOT to burn the Koran?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #7 - September 10, 2010, 10:26 AM

    Why do I get the impression that some people did not notice the sarcasm dripping off my post?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #8 - September 10, 2010, 10:29 AM

    Google terms such as "Muslims burn bible" and see that this is not an unheard of occurance over the past few years. Strangely these ACTUAL acts have not given rise to the same sort of shrill cries of denunciation from the likes of Hilary Clinton or President Obama as the merely THREATENED koran-burning of a fringe US Christian preacher. Nor have we been given ominous warnings that such actions could put the lives of  Muslims the world over in danger from outraged Christians. Indeed, I am 100% certain that if a group of outraged American evangelicals went on a Muslimesque rampage against any Muslim they could lay their hands on in "revenge" for a bible burning thousands of miles away the blame for their actions would be laid ENTIRELY upon them and not on the Muslim bible burners. The words "bloody" and "hypocrisy" spring to mind.


    Indeed I see the point and have just found this online:

    http://justifythis.blogspot.com/2006/12/australia-muslim-students-urinate-spit.html
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #9 - September 10, 2010, 10:30 AM

    Why do I get the impression that some people did not notice the sarcasm dripping off my post?


    Cos he didn't, or was just furthering the discussion, I don't know, DH can be annoying but he does make some good points.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #10 - September 10, 2010, 10:35 AM

    Aside from the pertinet arguments that "buring books leads to burning people" and it serves no useful purpose to poke a wasps' nest can anybody provide any other good reasons NOT to burn the Koran?

    Emits greenhouse gases. Waste of good asswipe.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #11 - September 10, 2010, 10:38 AM

    Ooo, could put them in toilets, then god can't see it and all is hunky dory.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #12 - September 10, 2010, 10:43 AM

    Aside from the pertinet arguments that "buring books leads to burning people" and it serves no useful purpose to poke a wasps' nest can anybody provide any other good reasons NOT to burn the Koran?


    Who cares? I can't find any good reasons not to burn the Bible either or any other religious book for that matter.  wacko

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #13 - September 10, 2010, 10:43 AM

    Hey apart from the problem that burning people leads to burning books can anyone see a good reason to not burn this Jones fella?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #14 - September 10, 2010, 10:51 AM

    Aside from the pertinet arguments that "buring books leads to burning people" and it serves no useful purpose to poke a wasps' nest can anybody provide any other good reasons NOT to burn the Koran?


    How about this.  There are Muslims fighting along side allied troops in Iraq and training to be armed police officers.  One of the things the army teaches you is to put your life in those who fight with you and trust them completely - how do you maintain that trust if one group of soldiers one day turn to the others and say "We think everything you stand for is evil"?

    Yep, that'll work.  Alienate your allies, good plan!

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #15 - September 10, 2010, 11:00 AM

    Why do I get the impression that some people did not notice the sarcasm dripping off my post?


    I did. I was just expanding on your sound point.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #16 - September 10, 2010, 11:02 AM

    How about this.  There are Muslims fighting along side allied troops in Iraq and training to be armed police officers.  One of the things the army teaches you is to put your life in those who fight with you and trust them completely - how do you maintain that trust if one group of soldiers one day turn to the others and say "We think everything you stand for is evil"?

    Yep, that'll work.  Alienate your allies, good plan!


    Good point - albeit a variation of the pragmatic "not poking a wasp's nest".  Any more?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #17 - September 10, 2010, 11:06 AM

    It'll kill DH's erection.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #18 - September 10, 2010, 11:18 AM

    Aside from the pertinet arguments that "buring books leads to burning people" and it serves no useful purpose to poke a wasps' nest can anybody provide any other good reasons NOT to burn the Koran?


    Because it's a waste of time, paper and greenhouse gases? If one's issue with Islam, there are FAR better ways to get one's point across than a book burning.

    By the way, I also think burning bibles, flags and (unsurprisingly) embassies is very stupid too, and any sort of arson(just incase you say HEY WHY ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO ONLY QUR'ANS). Giving the pastor's stupidity credence by putting him on national television and getting the president involved is the reason there is outrage. I personally don't give the stupidity of Muslims burning flags credence either, and they don't invoke the outrage they're trying so hard to to.

    With regards to Terry Jones; this cunt has been attempting to gain attention for quite a while now. His videos generally comprise of GOD HATES YOU AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL MOTHERFUCKER so the fact he's stupid enough to not notice for the past 9 years that Islam gets press these days to start burning the Qur'an now is a display of his stupidity :/
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #19 - September 10, 2010, 11:45 AM

    Suspend freedom of speech so that precious Muslim feelings do not get hurt and they dont kill allied troops.

    Why stop there? Why not just establish full blasphemy laws?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #20 - September 10, 2010, 12:33 PM

    So what if a lunatic man wants to burn the Quran? The Quran on modern paper in its current form is "Bidaa". The prophet did not collect it, Othman (the 3rd calif) did. Besides, isn't it saved in the "Lawh Mahfooth"? Allah is saving it, so no worries good Muslims no one can damage the holy Quran!  dance

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #21 - September 10, 2010, 12:50 PM

    I don't think Obama and all the self-loathing liberal pansies that are clutching their pearls to their chest got that memo.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #22 - September 10, 2010, 01:48 PM

    Suspend freedom of speech so that precious Muslim feelings do not get hurt and they dont kill allied troops.

    Why stop there? Why not just establish full blasphemy laws?


    Funny, since burning books is an action that stands for opposition to freedom of speech.

    The Quran isn't the only book that shouldn't be burnt. No book ever should be burnt.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #23 - September 10, 2010, 02:02 PM

    No. Burning books you dont like should be protected under freedom of speech. Expressing opposition to freedom of speech should be protected under freedom of speech.

    And why shouldn't books be burned? Its only paper.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #24 - September 10, 2010, 02:05 PM

    Burning the Quran represents opposition to freedom of religion, which is kind of guaranteed in the US constitution.

    And no one is banning the guy from doing it, they're just telling him it's a fucking stupid thing to do. He can do it if he wants to.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #25 - September 10, 2010, 02:07 PM

    Google terms such as "Muslims burn bible" and see that this is not an unheard of occurance over the past few years. Strangely these ACTUAL acts have not given rise to the same sort of shrill cries of denunciation from the likes of Hilary Clinton or President Obama as the merely THREATENED koran-burning of a fringe US Christian preacher. Nor have we been given ominous warnings that such actions could put the lives of  Muslims the world over in danger from outraged Christians. Indeed, I am 100% certain that if a group of outraged American evangelicals went on a Muslimesque rampage against any Muslim they could lay their hands on in "revenge" for a bible burning thousands of miles away the blame for their actions would be laid ENTIRELY upon them and not on the Muslim bible burners. The words "bloody" and "hypocrisy" spring to mind.

    Well said.

    .
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #26 - September 10, 2010, 02:09 PM

    Burning the Quran represents opposition to freedom of religion, which is kind of guaranteed in the US constitution.

    And no one is banning the guy from doing it, they're just telling him it's a fucking stupid thing to do. He can do it if he wants to.


    Expressing opposition to freedom of religion should be protected under freedom of speech.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #27 - September 10, 2010, 02:15 PM

    As it is.

    But as you said, opposition to freedom of speech is part of freedom of speech... so yeh, that's what Obama and others are doing in this instance. Not exactly banning it.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #28 - September 10, 2010, 02:19 PM

    Obama is a president. When he speaks, the whole world listens. He should choose his words wisely.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #29 - September 10, 2010, 02:24 PM

    So he should've condoned the action?

    Give me a fucking break.
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