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 Topic: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #30 - September 10, 2010, 02:26 PM

    If he represents the countries values, yes.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #31 - September 10, 2010, 02:27 PM

    OK. Roll Eyes
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #32 - September 10, 2010, 02:29 PM

    There's a difference between banning and condemning. One violates the 1st amendment, the other doesn't.

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #33 - September 10, 2010, 02:30 PM



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    Quran Burning is stupid - but what about proportionality ?

    Date: d. 09:09:10 , 12:54
    By: Morten Messerschmidt

    Let it be said right away, I certainly do not like bookburning. It gives - especially in a European context - some unpleasant associations to past totalitarian movements. I am therefore  among the first to emphasize how tasteless I find it, that the movement behind the reverend Terry Jones on Sunday (sic), as a marker of the terrorist attacks nine years ago has decided to burn 300 copies of the Koran.

    While the decision to burn the Muslims' holy book thus appears as silly, the reactions seem however, especially here in Europe,  completely hysterical and characterized by a mixture of moral self-inflicted torture and fear of offending . Even in today's voting in the EU parliament, one of the members felt an urge to ask for a point of order to condemn Terry Jones' planned action as something horrifyingly ugly .

    Out of proportion?

    The western world broadly speaking - from the U.S. over Britain to little Denmark - can not make a wrong step without putting minds in the Middle East to the boil. Whether it is a drawing of Mohammed, which we presumptuously print in our own newspapers, support for Israel as the only democracy in the Middle East or some other opinion that can be interpreted as unfriendly to the Muslims in the Middle East in general and their fascist regimes in particular, the masses rally to the burning of flags and effigies of our leaders.

    Who actually started this burning ? I still think burning books is a bad idea. Quite generally. But should we not hesitate a moment, before we condemn Terry Jones , and remember how the masses in the Middle East usually express themselves ?

    Dannebrog (the name of the Danish flag) stands for me - and probably  for many - as an inclusive and identitycreating symbol for us as Danes. It embraces far wider and broader than the political, cultural, linguistic and other differences that may be between us as Danes. It embraces us as a people whose home is Denmark. The flag is Denmark. It is with us when we celebrate, in war, on  solemn occasions, in mourning - precisely because the flag is the symbol of us as a people and a nation.

    But where was the international condemnation against the rebels in the Middle Eastern streets, when they burnt the Danish flag as part of the war against free speech and free thought ? Where were the reproaches and anger against these burnings ? There was awkward silence . Where was our condemnations when Tony Blair , Anders Fogh (the then Danish Prime Minister), George Bush had to see effigies  of themselves alight ? And where is the condemnation , when the American , Israeli - Danish - or other flags even today are burned ? I wonder if Britons and Americans don´t have the same feelings for their flag as we have for ours ? and I wonder if that feeling is in fact roughly parallel to what the Muslims as an Ummah , rather than  nations feel towards the Koran ?

    When we tolerate or just look on  without speaking while our flags and state leaders are being burned, why not just meet Terry Jones's happening with the same silence ?

    Why is it a crime of  higher dimensions to burn the Koran, while we let the burning of Dannebrog  pass as an everyday occurence ? Why should more attention be paid to Muslims' religious feelings than our ditto for flag and country ? Is it not about time that we got our self respect back - and maybe also got some proportionality into this debate?


    http://blogs.jp.dk/messerschmidt/2010/09/09/koranafbr%c3%a6nding-er-dumt-%e2%80%93-men-hvor-blev-proportionerne-af/


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    When we tolerate or just look on  without speaking while our flags and state leaders are being burned, why not just meet Terry Jones's happening with the same silence ?


    Yes, why not.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #34 - September 10, 2010, 02:31 PM

    Yeah that ^

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #35 - September 10, 2010, 02:37 PM

    Look, burning the Quran is a fucking stupid move. It'd endanger Americans and Westerners in general everywhere and increase fundamentalist Islam's strength. Muslims need to feel welcomed in the West and secular democracy, so that they get over their mentality of us vs. them.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #36 - September 10, 2010, 02:44 PM

    There's a difference between banning and condemning. One violates the 1st amendment, the other doesn't.


    There is also a difference between an average Joe condemning something because they find it distasteful, and the president of the USA condemning something protected in a democratic nation because of political tension and an implied sense of being held to ransom by ultra-sensitive enemies of democracy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #37 - September 10, 2010, 02:48 PM

    Look, burning the Quran is a fucking stupid move. It'd endanger Americans and Westerners in general everywhere and increase fundamentalist Islam's strength. Muslims need to feel welcomed in the West and secular democracy, so that they get over their mentality of us vs. them.


    Muslims outraged over this are not welcome with me. Adult human beings who understand its just some crazy Christians doing the usual routine are always welcome with me.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #38 - September 10, 2010, 02:49 PM

    Why don't you hold a Quran-burning bonfire and publicize it? Roll Eyes
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #39 - September 10, 2010, 02:50 PM

    <insert eye-roll smiley here>

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #40 - September 10, 2010, 02:50 PM

    There's already one you can use.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #41 - September 10, 2010, 02:52 PM


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #42 - September 10, 2010, 02:56 PM

    cancelled? what a chicken shit.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #43 - September 10, 2010, 02:59 PM



    i wish all muslims would have this chilled reaction


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7UW_z3izRc&feature=related

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #44 - September 10, 2010, 05:24 PM

    I don't think Obama and all the self-loathing liberal pansies that are clutching their pearls to their chest got that memo.


    hmm obviously you never got the memo

    The President has to worry about the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, especially when his leading Commanding General comes out and asks the  pastor to stop the event
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #45 - September 10, 2010, 05:30 PM

    Why don't you hold a Quran-burning bonfire and publicize it? Roll Eyes


    As I know the pastor didn't really publicise it, he just got attention from the press about it, maybe the press need to grow up and not report on such things or report both sides, to me it is pandering towards the psychology of muslims being a victim.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #46 - September 10, 2010, 05:36 PM

    cancelled? what a chicken shit.


     Cheesy

    Yeah, we will miss all the fun that goes with it! Like "Burn all the Juice", "Behead all those who say Islam is a terrorist religion"...

    ...
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #47 - September 10, 2010, 05:39 PM



    Os, this is better than the one we have.... please replace it with this one!  Cheesy

    ...
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #48 - September 10, 2010, 05:41 PM

    hmm obviously you never got the memo

    NO U!

    The President has to worry about the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, especially when his leading Commanding General comes out and asks the  pastor to stop the event

    So what you’re saying is we should appease and pander to religious extremists?

    The soldiers out there are fighting for their country. They are fighting for the right of some backwater Pastor to burn books on his own lawn. The same as generations of warriors before them have spilled blood so that their countrymen may take for granted the freedoms and rights they enjoy, not trade them away as soon as some wild-eyed and rabid band of zealots start rattling their sabres.

    This is a clash of principles. You draw your line and defend it.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #49 - September 10, 2010, 05:44 PM

    Have to say I agree with Nick (Ishina).
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #50 - September 10, 2010, 05:49 PM

    NO U!
    So what you’re saying is we should appease and pander to religious extremists?

    The soldiers out there are fighting for their country. They are fighting for the right of some backwater Pastor to burn books on his own lawn. The same as generations of warriors before them have spilled blood so that their countrymen may take for granted the freedoms and rights they enjoy, not trade them away as soon as some wild-eyed and rabid band of zealots start rattling their sabres.

    This is a clash of principles. You draw your line and defend it.


    pick up a gun and guard a post or stop playing arm chair general here

    Its all easy here to sit here and say
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    The soldiers out there are fighting for their country


    When the ones that are actually doing it, telling the pastor to quit, that's who you listen to. As CIC, Obama did the right thing
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #51 - September 10, 2010, 06:00 PM

    You're not even listening to me.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #52 - September 10, 2010, 06:04 PM

    Aside from the pertinet arguments that "buring books leads to burning people" and it serves no useful purpose to poke a wasps' nest can anybody provide any other good reasons NOT to burn the Koran?


    The fact that you think there need to be reasons besides those two says a lot about you, DH. But nothing I didn't already know.

    Well said.


    Yeah, well said if you completely miss the point of why they are denouncing it, and are a big fan of tu quoque arguments.

    There is also a difference between an average Joe condemning something because they find it distasteful, and the president of the USA condemning something protected in a democratic nation because of political tension and an implied sense of being held to ransom by ultra-sensitive enemies of democracy.


    Yeah, but the POTUS publicly condemning something is not a ban. Period.

    I don't think Obama and all the self-loathing liberal pansies that are clutching their pearls to their chest got that memo.


    hmm obviously you never got the memo

    The President has to worry about the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, especially when his leading Commanding General comes out and asks the  pastor to stop the event


    NO U!
    So what you’re saying is we should appease and pander to religious extremists?

    The soldiers out there are fighting for their country. They are fighting for the right of some backwater Pastor to burn books on his own lawn. The same as generations of warriors before them have spilled blood so that their countrymen may take for granted the freedoms and rights they enjoy, not trade them away as soon as some wild-eyed and rabid band of zealots start rattling their sabres.

    This is a clash of principles. You draw your line and defend it.


    Oh horseshit. Look, this isn't a war of "let's go in, kick ass, then we're done", it's a war of "let's go in, kick ass, then win hearts and minds, and create a stable regime that is friendly to the US and the West". If you don't get that, and if you don't get why this redneck fuck publicly holding and broadcasting book-burning a Koran on Sep 11 is detrimental to that goal, and thus why US military and political leaders are publicly condemning it (not cause they're liberal pansies, but because they don't want unnecessary friction caused in the countries they are trying to build friendly relationships with), then you aren't NEARLY as intelligent as I thought you were when you came on this site, that or you're just a thinly-veiled right-wing crank who's drank the necon/clash of civilzations Kool-Aid, and wants more conflict with the Islamic world.

    Maybe you want the UK to have a full military deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan indefinitely. Maybe you want the UK to be forever involved in direct and proxy military and intelligence operations in the Islamic world. Fine, but I don't want that for my country. I want my friends deployed overseas back in one piece-- I want the money we're spending on that shit to be used for real healthcare reform and infrastructure development and pulling us out of this shit economy where those of us lucky enough to have jobs can't even pay their bills or sustain their debt.

    So when it comes to the lives and livelihood of my friends, family and neighbors and your precious fucking "clash of principles" (which really just a war between the Western capitalist/imperialists and a bunch of fucking religious nutjobs who we probably wouldn't even be dealing with if the West hadn't felt the need to endlessly meddle in the affairs of that part of the world since the end of WWI, and in Pakistan's case even before then-- some fucking principles there), which do you think wins out?

    Liberal pansies  Roll Eyes Are you on another fuckin planet? You really think a four-star Army general overseeing active combat operations is a "liberal pansy"? Or maybe, ya know, he's actually thinking of bonafide operational concerns. Geez.

    pick up a gun and guard a post or stop playing arm chair general here

    Its all easy here to sit here and say
    When the ones that are actually doing it, telling the pastor to quit, that's who you listen to. As CIC, Obama did the right thing


    +1. Fuckin A, _truth_

    fuck you
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #53 - September 10, 2010, 06:08 PM

    It's a damn book burning. Get some fucking perspective.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #54 - September 10, 2010, 06:12 PM

    And don't pull the friends and family card and expect it to pass muster. My boyfriend is military.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #55 - September 10, 2010, 06:17 PM

    Well then you obviously could careless about his safety.


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    Oh horseshit. Look, this isn't a war of "let's go in, kick ass, then we're done", it's a war of "let's go in, kick ass, then win hearts and minds, and create a stable regime that is friendly to the US and the West". If you don't get that, and if you don't get why this redneck fuck publicly holding and broadcasting book-burning a Koran on Sep 11 is detrimental to that goal, and thus why US military and political leaders are publicly condemning it (not cause they're liberal pansies, but because they don't want unnecessary friction caused in the countries they are trying to build friendly relationships with), then you aren't NEARLY as intelligent as I thought you were when you came on this site, that or you're just a thinly-veiled right-wing crank who's drank the necon/clash of civilzations Kool-Aid, and wants more conflict with the Islamic world.


    Q-man here pretty much says it all  Afro
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #56 - September 10, 2010, 06:19 PM

    Should we appease and pander to religious extremists or not? Never? Always? Sometimes?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #57 - September 10, 2010, 06:21 PM

    Well then you obviously could careless about his safety.


    Eat shit.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #58 - September 10, 2010, 06:22 PM

    You're not even listening to me.


    Actually I am. I never said anything about the rights of the Pastor or anything. I only replied to your comment about how Obama is a "liberal pansy" for condemning the pastor. You seemed to be completely clueless on the validity of the matter why President Obama said what he had to say.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #59 - September 10, 2010, 06:25 PM

    Well then, do you think he has a right to burn Qurans?

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