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OP - September 17, 2010, 09:37 PM

Q-man - what do you think of Inglorious Basterds? I couldn't figure out whether or not it was saying anything overtly political!

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Reply #1 - September 17, 2010, 09:39 PM

Ha! Haven't seen it. You just wasted a thread, motherfucker!

Someone else will have to help you out.

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Reply #2 - September 17, 2010, 09:41 PM

Haha! Some film buff you are! I would offer to lend it to you, but being in Philly and all that, it might be a bit difficult!

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Reply #3 - September 17, 2010, 09:42 PM

It's alright. Although I don't like how Tarantino turned serious political history into nihilistic gore. But that's just Tarantino for you.
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Reply #4 - September 17, 2010, 09:49 PM

Quote from: Mixu Paatelainen on September 17, 2010, 09:41 PM
Haha! Some film buff you are! I would offer to lend it to you, but being in Philly and all that, it might be a bit difficult!

Who ever said I'm a film buff? I'm just generally good at abstract analysis-- has nothing to do with films in particular

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Reply #5 - September 17, 2010, 09:57 PM

As I said, I was basing that entirely on when you were talking about American History X!

Anyway, I thought inglourious basterds was an entertaining film but that was about it! That's why I thought I must be missing something!

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Reply #6 - September 17, 2010, 09:58 PM

It's Tarantino-- why would you think you were missing any deeper meaning?

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Reply #7 - September 17, 2010, 10:02 PM

Good point!

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Reply #8 - September 17, 2010, 10:07 PM

Mixu's film school dissertation--

"The Pussy Wagon" in Tarantino's Kill Bill as allegory for state capitalist patriarchal exploitation in 21st century Myanmar

Sorry, Mixu, but ball busters gotta bust balls.

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Reply #9 - September 17, 2010, 10:07 PM

Quote from: Abood on September 17, 2010, 09:42 PM
It's alright. Although I don't like how Tarantino turned serious political history into nihilistic gore. But that's just Tarantino for you.

I didn't really care for that movie, though that one Jewish guy was hot.

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Reply #10 - September 17, 2010, 10:09 PM

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Mixu's film school dissertation--

"The Pussy Wagon" in Tarantino's Kill Bill as allegory for state capitalist patriarchal exploitation in 21st century Myanmar

Sorry, Mixu, but ball busters gotta bust balls.

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Reply #11 - September 17, 2010, 10:10 PM

Quote from: pierced_beauty on September 17, 2010, 10:07 PM
I didn't really care for that movie, though that one Jewish guy was hot.

Which Jewish guy?! There were loads of Jewish guys!

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Reply #12 - September 17, 2010, 10:15 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on September 17, 2010, 10:07 PM
Mixu's film school dissertation--

"The Pussy Wagon" in Tarantino's Kill Bill as allegory for state capitalist patriarchal exploitation in 21st century Myanmar

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Reply #13 - September 17, 2010, 11:21 PM

Quote from: Mixu Paatelainen on September 17, 2010, 10:10 PM
Which Jewish guy?! There were loads of Jewish guys!

Hold on, I forget his name, lemme search.

::searching::

Here we go:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744834/

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Reply #14 - September 18, 2010, 11:22 AM

Its a very good film Mixu, a second viewing made it seem even better.

The opening scene is as good a piece of pure cinema as you will ever watch.

Funnily enough, when I watched Jackie Brown when it first came out I didn't think much of it. But then I watched it last week when they showed it two nights in a row on Film 4, and I really think its a fantastic movie now. I think you have to have lived a little to understand the characters. So Tarantino's films do have some depth to them, at least some of them do.

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Reply #15 - September 18, 2010, 11:54 AM

With Tarantino, its always been about the art of film for me. I really admire the guy. I don't think anyone actually appreciates the art of film as much as he does. He's so passionate about film. I could listen to him talk about it for hours. People like that have a real magnetic attraction for me.

There are loads of subtle touches and cues in his movies for those with an eye for like things like that. Anyone can appreciate a typical, start/middle/end, solid storyline, a Hollywood spectacle complete with eye candy, me included. I think it takes a different kind of curiosity to appreciate the intricacies of what directors like Tarantino try and do though. His films are master classes in filmmaking, beyond the actual storyline (or lack of, in some cases). His scripts are fantastic too and appeal to my kind of humour.

Yeah, he's eccentric and probably a bit crazy. But I like his eccentricity too, because a lot of eccentric film makers overdo it, over-indulge themselves and end up with some long drawn-out arty farty 'masterpiece' with no real heart and soul. Whereas Tarantino movies I can watch again and again.

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Reply #16 - September 18, 2010, 11:54 AM

Hmmm, I'll have to check out Jackie Brown.

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Reply #17 - September 18, 2010, 11:59 AM

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I don't think anyone actually appreciates the art of film as much as he does

Martin Scorcese does, to name just one. But I kind of agree with everything else you say

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Reply #18 - September 18, 2010, 12:09 PM

Yeah, I don't think he outshines any other great director. He’s up there with the best though, doing his own thing. I suppose I meant there is nobody quite as animated and excitable about the art as him. He’s like a big kid and I love it.

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Reply #19 - September 18, 2010, 12:17 PM

My friend met him when he was promoting the Grindhouse DVD release at the FACT centre in Liverpool. Sneaked into the VIP of a nightclub that was hosting him and had a laugh, Tarantino bought drinks for everyone, very down to earth.

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Reply #20 - September 18, 2010, 01:53 PM

Heart and soul? The guy's a postmodern director, an entire movement that's soulless. And that's precisely what I have against him. While I appreciate postmodern art in terms of aesthetics, it's all art for the sake of art. The movement as a whole is "artsy fartsy" with absolutely no purpose or reason.

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Perhaps the most renowned postmodern director is Quentin Tarantino. The dialogue of films such as Reservoir Dogs (1992) and Pulp Fiction (1994) rely heavily on seemingly meaningless chatter about TV shows, pop music, B movies, and celebrity gossip. In Jackie Brown (1997) Tarantino cast the actress Pam Grier, relying on her past image as a sex symbol in 1970s

http://www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Independent-Film-Road-Movies/Postmodernism-POSTMODERNISM-AND-FILM.html

And you can clearly see it in Inglorious Basterds. Tarantino takes the extremely meaningful fight against Nazism and turns it into just another gore movie. Lt. Aldo and his gang seemingly just enjoy killing and scalping people. It might as well not have any context.
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Reply #21 - September 18, 2010, 01:58 PM

Shosanna's story is the soul of Inglorious Basterds.

Jackie Brown is about soul.

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Reply #22 - September 18, 2010, 02:05 PM

Quote from: Abood on September 18, 2010, 01:53 PM
Heart and soul? The guy's a postmodern director, an entire movement that's soulless. And that's precisely what I have against him. While I appreciate postmodern art in terms of aesthetics, it's all art for the sake of art. The movement as a whole is "artsy fartsy" with absolutely no purpose or reason.
http://www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Independent-Film-Road-Movies/Postmodernism-POSTMODERNISM-AND-FILM.html

And you can clearly see it in Inglorious Basterds. Tarantino takes the extremely meaningful fight against Nazism and turns it into just another gore movie. Lt. Aldo and his gang seemingly just enjoy killing and scalping people. It might as well not have any context.

Cool story, bro

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Reply #23 - September 18, 2010, 02:07 PM

Quote from: billy on September 18, 2010, 12:17 PM
My friend met him when he was promoting the Grindhouse DVD release at the FACT centre in Liverpool. Sneaked into the VIP of a nightclub that was hosting him and had a laugh, Tarantino bought drinks for everyone, very down to earth.

Grrr... jealous

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Reply #24 - September 18, 2010, 02:10 PM

@billy: I haven't seen Jackie Brown, so I can't judge. But Shoshanna in Inglorious Basterds is hardly "the soul" of the movie. Her story pales in comparison to all the gore and killing. It's like Tarantino wanted us to forget about the plot and concentrate on the action itself.
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Reply #25 - September 18, 2010, 02:13 PM

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But Shoshanna in Inglorious Basterds is hardly "the soul" of the movie

Yes, it really is the soul of the movie.

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Reply #26 - September 18, 2010, 02:15 PM

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Reply #27 - September 18, 2010, 02:30 PM

Shosanna is the soul of the movie in two ways - in emotional terms, where we are engaged in her fate from the very beginning of the movie, and because her story is the catalyst for all that happens subsequently, where Tarantino's themes all come together. She is at the centre and is at the heart of what the film is about.

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Reply #28 - September 18, 2010, 02:40 PM

I see what you're saying. I'm not claiming that the movie has no plot. It's just that Tarantino overindulges in the violence, and the story isn't developed much beyond that.

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And finally, the negative points, because despite everything this film is fucking weird and as such, there are a few moments of contention that desperately need to be addressed. First off, I didn't care much for the Basterds. I found their outfit cruel and ruthless. I understood their place in the movie, I understood their barbaric acts in the context of the film and even the need for brutality in their execution of vengeance but as a soulless hunting and killing machine they seemed faceless, largely because of problem number two. The biggest negative point I can attach to this entire project is that of character development or the lack of. There's so much going on that you so rarely get inside the character's head and discover their drives and bar a few flashbacks, no one really has any backstory.

In summation, I think Inglourious Basterds is a wonderfully daring example of experimental cinema (but at the same time ridiculously over-the-top, peaked by the movie's rather curious finale) and a clear-cut sign that Tarantino is a true pioneer of good movies, for hiring on acting credibility and ability as opposed to name and status. However, as delightful and risqué as it is, it's also wholly unnecessary and a completely indulgent film that strives to achieve very little of anything.

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Reply #29 - September 18, 2010, 02:44 PM

Quote from: billy on September 18, 2010, 02:30 PM
Shosanna is the soul of the movie in two ways - in emotional terms, where we are engaged in her fate from the very beginning of the movie, and because her story is the catalyst for all that happens subsequently, where Tarantino's themes all come together. She is at the centre and is at the heart of what the film is about.

And also the delicious irony of the end, once the layers have built up. The propaganda film Nation’s Pride is also a central theme. It’s a movie within a movie. There is a reversal really, an about-turn, when we see the Nazi’s Nation’s Pride enjoying and laughing at all the Allied troops getting killed in the movie. We might love to hate them for it too, maybe think they are shallow or outright henious monsters for doing so, for enjoying it so much. And then we might find ourselves shortly afterwards doing exactly the same, enjoying it and laughing when the tables turn, when they meet an eerily simmilar fate.

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