IQ2 Debate - Islam Is a Religion of Peace.

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Reply #60 - October 10, 2010, 07:05 PM

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Here is a bit more of maajid nawaz

Against Anjem Chaudry

Haha, I remember this, complete and utter

Shiraz Maher is far more mature in his approach as a speaker. That's the other thing about Nawaz, he's so in your face with feeble points ... sorry, I'm really not a fan. Shiraz should take his place, he's far more cool, calm, collected & isn't so confused by relativism.

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Reply #61 - October 10, 2010, 07:24 PM

Debate as to whether Islam is a religion of peace?

Let's not jump the gun here, let's debate as to whether Islam is a religion, first , lulz
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Reply #62 - October 10, 2010, 07:46 PM

Maajid nawaz

Well, at least he is a moderate thats doing something.

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Reply #63 - October 10, 2010, 08:02 PM

Quote from: Ishina on October 10, 2010, 07:00 PM
You snooze, you lose

..or as they say in urdu: "jo soya, khoya"
i.e. whoever sleeps, loses.

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Reply #64 - October 10, 2010, 10:56 PM

Quote from: HighOctane on October 10, 2010, 07:05 PM
Haha, I remember this, complete and utter

Shiraz Maher is far more mature in his approach as a speaker. That's the other thing about Nawaz, he's so in your face with feeble points ... sorry, I'm really not a fan. Shiraz should take his place, he's far more cool, calm, collected & isn't so confused by relativism.

whos shiraz?

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Reply #65 - October 10, 2010, 11:06 PM

Shiraz Maher is another ex-Hizb-ut-Tahrir radical. He is very intelligent and articulate. He is now helping Maajid Nawaz etc, to counter Islamic extremism.

See this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DukngbiYgHY

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Reply #66 - October 11, 2010, 04:18 AM

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Shiraz Maher is another ex-Hizb-ut-Tahrir radical. He is very intelligent and articulate. He is now helping Maajid Nawaz etc, to counter Islamic extremism.

Most HT are intelligent (in their own way) and articulate they are very clever in beating around the bush and coming out with their own interpretation when handy! in the 90 they came out with this: guys were allowed to watch porn because it was pictures not the real thing

Majid nawaz had been in Prison in Egypt if I remember well and HT could not be bothered in helping him out, so he was helped by Amnesty International and others when he finally been back to the UK he started war against extremism.

They (HT) posted pic of him near a bottle of wine (during an uni party when he finished his degree) claiming he was a kuffar. He was Married to a sister from a family of seven girls who were the pilars of HT Ithink they divorced not sure lost track with the story.

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Reply #67 - October 11, 2010, 05:35 AM

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PPL like Cromwell fought against the king and church to bring what eventually led to western freedom and democracy. enlightenment wasnt something christianity chose. enlightenment was shoved down christianities throught.

Cromwell fought the king because he thought that the reformation had not gone far enough, what you have to understand by reformation here is the separation from the catholic church not a watering of christian fundamentalism.
In fact Cromwell was a religious zealot (puritanist) who promote harsh fundamentalism return to certain non catholic source some of which muslim would be delighted with: like abolishing chrismas as an originaly pagan tradition recuperated by the catholic church and the symbolism of the Virgin Mary (at Nicene) as well the destruction of all statue and images or icons...
now many people understand reformation like modernisation while it was a return to fundamentalism with less rituals advocated by Luther and Calvin (both wrote about "Justification by Faith alone"
this link is a text translated from Calvin text:

http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/jcjustif.htm

This however has allowed the protestant Church to move away from strict rules and complex rituals.

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Reply #68 - October 11, 2010, 02:31 PM

im sure ur right STARTSW my point wasnt about Cromwell more about the fact that the western values we have today are not from christianity quite the opposite.

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Reply #69 - October 11, 2010, 08:06 PM

Quote from: canex on October 08, 2010, 11:01 PM
A pretty interesting debate:

For the Motion:
zeba Khan
Maajid Nawaz

Against the Motion:
Ayan Hirsi Ali
Douglas Murray

Link with video:
http://intelligencesquaredus.org/index.php/past-debates/islam/

Full transcript is also available.

I kind of listen to the debate.

Thing is until all the people of any given religion all become conscienctious objectors my thought is that religion can not claim to be a religiopn of peace. So even if a lot of the people are peaceful they are wasting thier time arguing that thier religion is peaceful if any part of it is still involved in the wars of mankind.

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Reply #70 - October 13, 2010, 02:14 AM

Quote from: Dr@gon Sl@yer on October 11, 2010, 02:31 PM
im sure ur right STARTSW my point wasnt about Cromwell more about the fact that the western values we have today are not from christianity quite the opposite.

I like history so always read about it, about western value it depends what you mean by this: freedome of thoughts and expression certainly even if it seems far from the inquisition and catholic christianity it is not necessarely far from from the gospel message even if churches and rulers have used their power to control the people. Some years ago the catholic church apologised openly about the church persecution as it had nothing to do with Christ message.
If you are talking about sex promiscuity and binge drinking yes this is far from christian value and from any religious or political value really it is just a form of decadence I suppose especially when it becomes the norm for people of any age...

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Reply #71 - October 14, 2010, 02:22 AM

Watched the entire thing, thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Reply #72 - October 21, 2010, 08:20 PM

What has the Muslim reaction to this debate been like? Have any Muslim writers/columnists written any articles about it? Any comments from organisations like MPAC? I'm searching but can't find much.

This thread on ummah.com only received 5 replies... http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?275184-Intelligence-Squared-debate-Is-Islam-a-religion-of-peace

I have to "LOL" at the OP (haque) wishing Zakir Naik was on the panel...

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Reply #73 - October 21, 2010, 08:29 PM

glad to see that even with their blinkers on, they realised the muslim side got pawned

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Reply #74 - October 21, 2010, 08:30 PM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on October 21, 2010, 08:20 PM
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?275184-Intelligence-Squared-debate-Is-Islam-a-religion-of-peace

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Terrorists do not walk around in turbans and long beards, but they wear suits and ties.
Innocents are primarily killed by foreign policies which command bombs dropped from jet planes, tanks, and naval vessels.
NOT from "suicide bombings".
People who fight against this naked aggression are called terrorists. People who purport this evil upon mankind are called heroes.
Stop being a victim of your own ignorance.

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Reply #75 - October 21, 2010, 08:37 PM

Next debate should be:

'Is Islam true?'

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Reply #76 - October 21, 2010, 09:04 PM

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Reply #77 - October 21, 2010, 09:44 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on October 21, 2010, 08:37 PM
Next debate should be:

'Is Islam true?'

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