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  • "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     OP - October 15, 2010, 05:33 PM

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    LONDON: There cannot be rape within marriage, a Muslim cleric in Britain has ruled. A key Muslim leader in the country promptly denounced the views as "misguided "and "inappropriate".

    "In Islamic Sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape,"The Independent quoted cleric Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed as saying.

    Men accused of raping their wives should not be prosecuted as "sex is part of marriage", said Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain.

    He made the comments to the blog The Samosa — and reiterated them to the The Independent . Sayeed told the website: "Clearly there cannot be any rape within the marriage. Maybe aggression , maybe indecent activity ... Because when they got married , the understanding was that sexual intercourse was part of the marriage, so there cannot be anything against sex in marriage . "Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable."

    British law makes rape within marriage illegal.

    Sayeed also suggested that women who claim to have been raped by their husbands should not immediately go to the police.

    "Not in the beginning, unless we establish that it really happened . Because in most of the cases , wives... have been advised by their solicitors that one of the four reasons for which a wife can get a divorce is rape, so they are encouraged to say things like this."

    Asked how men found to have raped their wives were to be punished, he said: "He may be disciplined, and he may be made to ask forgiveness. That should be enough."

    Muslims4UK's chairman Inayat Bunglawala said: "Sheikh Sayeed's comments are woefully misguided and entirely inappropriate . Rape – whether within marriage or outside it – is an abominable act and is clearly against the law."

    Dave Whatton, spokesman on rape for the Association of Chief Police Officers, told the daily: "We know that the majority of rapes do not take place through strangers attacking women late at night but between acquaintances and within marriages and partnerships. IANS


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Rape-not-possible-in-marriage/articleshow/6751670.cms

    The guy from Muslim4UK's comment is so LOL-worthy, marital rape is against the secular man made kaafir laws, there's nothing - absolutely nothing - within Islam's 7th century laws against Marital rape and the Shariah apologist was simply giving its ruling on marital rape.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

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    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #1 - October 15, 2010, 05:37 PM

    Remember kids, its not rape if the man says "yes".

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #2 - October 15, 2010, 07:17 PM

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    Sayeed also suggested that women who claim to have been raped by their husbands should not immediately go to the police.


    Yeah, because they're supposed to hide the 'shame' from the community.  Plus this gives the husband time to come up with a plausible alibi in order to put the blame on the woman for being a 'shrew' or 'nag' since it's always the woman's fault.  finmad

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    "Not in the beginning, unless we establish that it really happened . Because in most of the cases , wives... have been advised by their solicitors that one of the four reasons for which a wife can get a divorce is rape, so they are encouraged to say things like this."


    Oh, dear!  A woman actually wanting a DIVORCE from her abusive horndog of a spouse?!  The SHAME of it all! 
    They would rather that she take the case to one of their kangaroo 'sharia courts' where they will strip her of any alimony rights if she were to persue a divorce or else tell her to suck it up and stay with the guy for the sake of the family and community coheision.   mysmilie_977

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    [Asked how men found to have raped their wives were to be punished, he said: "He may be disciplined, and he may be made to ask forgiveness. That should be enough."


    Oh, he may get a few lashes if anything at all in the way of punishment.  It's the punishment the wife would endure that they won't speak about.

     Yep_True.

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  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #3 - October 15, 2010, 07:41 PM

    Sahih Bukhari
    Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."


    Sahih Muslim
    Book 008, Number 3368:

    Abu Huraira (Allah he pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may, peace be upon him) as saying: When a man invites his wife to his bed and she does not come, and he (the husband) spends the sight being angry with her, the angels curse her until morning.




    Muhammad, the mercy for all mankind... Roll Eyes

    .
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #4 - October 15, 2010, 08:36 PM

    Abu Sayeed has all the makings of a good pope.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #5 - October 17, 2010, 11:47 AM

    "Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable."


    rofl

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #6 - October 17, 2010, 02:39 PM

    So, basically he is saying it's not desirable if the wife is raped but if it's the only way the man can fulfil his sexual desires then the wife must expect this since it's part of the contractual obligation of Islamic marriage for her to fulfil her husband's needs.

    He makes no distinction between marital rape and consensual sex - what an asshole.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #7 - October 17, 2010, 02:48 PM

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    Sayeed told the website: "Clearly there cannot be any rape within the marriage.

    I knew it was high time I legally changed my name to something reassuringly Anglican, something with less facial hair and more brain cells. Suggestions welcome. 
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #8 - October 24, 2010, 04:59 PM

    All right to clarify this point.

    In Islam, there is a marriage contract that both parties agree to. They can negotiate the terms of the contract (just like you can in the west or the far east).

    The man CANNOT force his wife. This is illegal and he can be tried with assault if he does so.


    The view on men and women in the west is that men = women in every single thing. So the laws are attempted at being structured to support this claim

    The view in islam is that men and women are inherently different in nature, so the laws relating to relationships are structured to satisfy the nature of each gender.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #9 - October 24, 2010, 05:13 PM

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    The view in islam is that men and women are inherently different in nature, so the laws relating to relationships are structured to satisfy what we say is the nature of each gender.


    Fixed your post

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #10 - October 24, 2010, 05:16 PM

    All right to clarify this point.

    In Islam, there is a marriage contract that both parties agree to. They can negotiate the terms of the contract (just like you can in the west or the far east).

    The man CANNOT force his wife. This is illegal and he can be tried with assault if he does so.


    The view on men and women in the west is that men = women in every single thing. So the laws are attempted at being structured to support this claim

    The view in islam is that men and women are inherently different in nature, so the laws relating to relationships are structured to satisfy the nature of each gender.


    Can all powerful all knowing being be able to account for the variation of personality of each individual or does it  have to stereotype billions of people into the same gender role because of its cognitive incapacity?  If an all powerful being can account for the variation of personality for each person should that not be allowed to be the marriage contract? And if it is then shouldn't the marriage contract look like the Western marriage contract, completely devoid of any presubscribed gender roles as to account for the widest variation of personalties?  

    This of course all presupposes an all knowing God, it religion is really from man whose capacities are finite but whose desire to control isn't you'll end up with  a rigidness and stilted gender role system afraid of change or variation.  

    Thank goodness there is a God.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #11 - October 24, 2010, 05:18 PM

    The view in islam is that men and women are inherently different in nature, so the laws relating to relationships are structured to satisfy the nature of each gender.

    And you know the nature of myself how?
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #12 - October 24, 2010, 05:24 PM

    .

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #13 - October 24, 2010, 05:33 PM

    The man CANNOT force his wife. This is illegal and he can be tried with assault if he does so.


    Illegal according to what, Islam or secular western laws? If it's the former, show me where in the Qur'an or hadith marital rape is forbidden.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #14 - October 24, 2010, 06:34 PM

    Can all powerful all knowing being be able to account for the variation of personality of each individual or does it  have to stereotype billions of people into the same gender role because of its cognitive incapacity?  If an all powerful being can account for the variation of personality for each person should that not be allowed to be the marriage contract? And if it is then shouldn't the marriage contract look like the Western marriage contract, completely devoid of any presubscribed gender roles as to account for the widest variation of personalties?  

    This of course all presupposes an all knowing God, it religion is really from man whose capacities are finite but whose desire to control isn't you'll end up with  a rigidness and stilted gender role system afraid of change or variation.  

    Thank goodness there is a God.  


    Do you even want me to reply to you? Your entire post is so condescending that I'm not sure you'd even bother to read my reply except to look for ways to further demean without considering the actual answer.

    And you know the nature of myself how?


    The nature of man and the nature of woman?

    You realize that laws for society are created based on a certain understanding of the nature of certain realities right?

    I haven't studied the UK constitutional system, but I did for the US. One of the concepts that has been supported is the concept of completely equality, which comes from john locke. The current western belief is based on what he has presented on the concept of equality.

    Illegal according to what, Islam or secular western laws? If it's the former, show me where in the Qur'an or hadith marital rape is forbidden.


    You are asking for a detailed fiqhi answer.

    The contract in marriage does not give the man to right to take his wife whenever he wants, because her refusing is different from him forcing himself upon her for refusing. That's two different scenarios.

    If she doesn't meet his needs, then he should just leave. Isn't that what people do in any relationship? If a woman is not loved, or physically satisfied why would she stick around? If the woman refuses to put anything out to the man, why would he stick with her at all?

    Everyone has needs. They need to be met, for both the man AND the woman.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #15 - October 24, 2010, 06:44 PM

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    The nature of man and the nature of woman?

    You realize that laws for society are created based on a certain understanding of the nature of certain realities right?

    I haven't studied the UK constitutional system, but I did for the US. One of the concepts that has been supported is the concept of completely equality, which comes from john locke. The current western belief is based on what he has presented on the concept of equality.

    You didn't answer my question. That's not even close to what I asked. Let me make it clearer for you, define to me the nature of men and women without generalising us all, and then explain to me how the law about sex in marriage within Islam applies to the 'different' natures of men and women.

    I'm not going to deny that men and women have their differences, however I fail to see what difference in our natures justifies having different rulings on marriage/sex. Please elaborate on it.

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    If she doesn't meet his needs, then he should just leave

    She cant, see hadith:

    Allah's Apostle (Pbuh) said, " If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relations) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning." (Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol. 4 Hadith No. 460 & Sahih Muslim Vol. 2 Hadith No. 3368)


    You've still failed to provide any evidence from the Quran/Hadith that states rape is not allowed within a marriage, wheareas the above hadith makes it seem like it is allowed (and it's not the only one).
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #16 - October 24, 2010, 07:44 PM

    You are asking for a detailed fiqhi answer.

    The contract in marriage does not give the man to right to take his wife whenever he wants, because her refusing is different from him forcing himself upon her for refusing. That's two different scenarios.

    If she doesn't meet his needs, then he should just leave. Isn't that what people do in any relationship? If a woman is not loved, or physically satisfied why would she stick around? If the woman refuses to put anything out to the man, why would he stick with her at all?

    Everyone has needs. They need to be met, for both the man AND the woman.


    There's nothing within Islam forbidding marital rape. Nothing whatsoever. The only somewhat relevant hadith relating to this matter is the one PeruvianSkies posted above: the hadith makes it clear that a woman should submit to the the desires of her husband or the angels will be angry with her. Islam makes clear through the Qur'an and Hadith that men and women should have lots of sex - that's it. There's no scriptural order which forbids marital rape - any argument to the contrary is inherently disingenuous.


    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #17 - November 06, 2010, 08:54 PM

    You didn't answer my question. That's not even close to what I asked. Let me make it clearer for you, define to me the nature of men and women without generalising us all, and then explain to me how the law about sex in marriage within Islam applies to the 'different' natures of men and women.

    I'm not going to deny that men and women have their differences, however I fail to see what difference in our natures justifies having different rulings on marriage/sex. Please elaborate on it.
    She cant, see hadith:

    Allah's Apostle (Pbuh) said, " If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relations) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning." (Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol. 4 Hadith No. 460 & Sahih Muslim Vol. 2 Hadith No. 3368)


    You've still failed to provide any evidence from the Quran/Hadith that states rape is not allowed within a marriage, wheareas the above hadith makes it seem like it is allowed (and it's not the only one).


    Ok so when we talk about needs, we are defining specific needs.

    Men and women have many of the same needs, like the need to eat, the need to feel intimacy, the need to breath, etc.

    Islam recognizes that both men and women have a need to interact with each other intimately. However, men and women do not draw pleasure in the same proportions from the same area.

    For a man we find in general they are stimulated physically. They are also stimulated emotionally, but their physical stimulation is far greater.

    For women we find they are stimulated more emotionally. They are of course also stimulated physically, but their emotional stimulation is greater.

    The strength of course varies from person to person.

    What is also different is that men cannot just become available physically. This should be pretty clear, since a man needs to first get aroused to be able to do make love. The woman does not have to be, though if she is not she won't feel very pleasured and it can hurt depending on the woman. So this is also different physically.

    Islam cuts disloyalty and unfaithfulness at it's root for men by telling their wives to take care of their needs.

    What is unfortunately not talked about is the need of the woman. She too has emotional and physical needs, and it is the duty of the husband to make sure she gets them. And you'll find today men simply treat women as meat instead of as their loved companions.

    Does this answer your question/comment?


    There's nothing within Islam forbidding marital rape. Nothing whatsoever. The only somewhat relevant hadith relating to this matter is the one PeruvianSkies posted above: the hadith makes it clear that a woman should submit to the the desires of her husband or the angels will be angry with her. Islam makes clear through the Qur'an and Hadith that men and women should have lots of sex - that's it. There's no scriptural order which forbids marital rape - any argument to the contrary is inherently disingenuous.




    There is scripture forbidding assault. The hadith for instance which says "there should be no harming nor reciprocating harm" [ibn majah]

    You need to understand the difference here.

    The woman is supposed to meet the needs of her husband (like the husband is supposed to meet her needs). If she chooses not to, she will be held accountable spiritually for it (and vice versa).

    This does not give him the right to force himeslf upon her.

    do you understand the difference here? The difference between refusing to satisfy your partners needs, vs the other person forcefully indulging?

    Of course people do force their wives. Just like here people instead of forcing their wives they just cheat.

    ...and they say Islam is backwards.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #18 - November 06, 2010, 09:24 PM

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    What is also different is that men cannot just become available physically. This should be pretty clear, since a man needs to first get aroused to be able to do make love. The woman does not have to be, though if she is not she won't feel very pleasured and it can hurt depending on the woman. So this is also different physically.

    I don't know whether to laugh or be angry!! Men like you are so pathetic! You think you know everything about us women yet you have no fucking idea! Absolutely fucking none!!!

    Women also need to be aroused! Do you know what happens when we're forced to have sex when not aroused? We're dry down there and as a result it hurts like fucking hell when men try and shove their fucking penis in! Not to mention some women end up bleeding or become soar for several days! Which is then made worse when our partner wants sex again and now we're not only dry, but also fucking soar!

    Men get a hardon when they are aroused, we get wet which acts as a lubricant so we don't have to suffer pain and can actually enjoy sex. We both need to be available physically! Get it now?!

    And don't get me started on the mental damage you fucking idiots can cause by ignoring our feelings on matters as intimate as this!

    There will ALWAYS be times when one partner is not in the mood for sex. It is the usual course of a relationship. Sadly Islam's answer moronic answer is to punish the wife for it with angels curses.

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    What is unfortunately not talked about is the need of the woman.

    You don't say.

    Quote
    She too has emotional and physical needs, and it is the duty of the husband to make sure she gets them.

    And where is that found in the scripture? Last I checked the man is allowed to withhold sex as a punishment (see Quran verse 4:34). Not to mention the physical and mental abuse she has to put herself through by being forced to have sex whenever her husband demands it (or get cursed by angels). I can tell you that no one in a healthy relationship goes through any of this bullshit.

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    And you'll find today men simply treat women as meat instead of as their loved companions.

    Really? Do they now? I never knew this! You see, I thought my bf treated me as a beloved companion, he never makes me have sex on demand when I'm not in the mood, he always respects my feelings (and I also respect his). We don't have different rulings in regards to sexual matters, we treat each other equally instead. We've been together for several years and intend on staying together for the rest of our lives. I have many friends in similar situations. I never realised these men were treating us like meat. I must've been mistaken! Thank you for opening my eyes!! I feel like a veil has been lifted! I shall now obey my partner whenever he demands sex to ensure he is not treating me like a piece of meat. Obviously respecting my wishes when I don't want sex is treating me like a piece of meat.... Wait, that doesn't sound right.... 

    idiot2
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #19 - November 06, 2010, 09:53 PM

    Of course people do force their wives. Just like here people instead of forcing their wives they just cheat.

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

    ...and they say Islam is backwards.

    Who says so?

    Most interpretations of Islam are not backwards. They are positively retarded. Predictably. That's what usually happens when people take some Bronze Age shit seriously.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #20 - November 06, 2010, 10:30 PM

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    What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

    Well you see, it is positively unheard of for a man to just happily continue on with their relationship if their partner decides they are not in the mood for sex one random night...
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #21 - November 07, 2010, 07:49 PM

    For a man we find in general they are stimulated physically. They are also stimulated emotionally, but their physical stimulation is far greater.

    For women we find they are stimulated more emotionally. They are of course also stimulated physically, but their emotional stimulation is greater.


    Try to expound on these points with evidence to back your presumptions. 

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  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #22 - November 23, 2010, 07:35 AM

    I don't know whether to laugh or be angry!! Men like you are so pathetic! You think you know everything about us women yet you have no fucking idea! Absolutely fucking none!!!

    Women also need to be aroused! Do you know what happens when we're forced to have sex when not aroused? We're dry down there and as a result it hurts like fucking hell when men try and shove their fucking penis in! Not to mention some women end up bleeding or become soar for several days! Which is then made worse when our partner wants sex again and now we're not only dry, but also fucking soar!

    Men get a hardon when they are aroused, we get wet which acts as a lubricant so we don't have to suffer pain and can actually enjoy sex. We both need to be available physically! Get it now?!

    And don't get me started on the mental damage you fucking idiots can cause by ignoring our feelings on matters as intimate as this!

    There will ALWAYS be times when one partner is not in the mood for sex. It is the usual course of a relationship. Sadly Islam's answer moronic answer is to punish the wife for it with angels curses.


    This always happens. Try to understand what I'm typing, because you really jumped to a conclusion you already had in your mind. If all you see are demons, then it doesn't even matter what I type because that's what you will see.

    What I was referring to was that men do not get aroused the same way. It's something physical which will get us going. For the woman, you could buy her something really beautiful or heartfelt  and she'll get very aroused.

    If you don't love your husband, or don't care about him obviously you won't feel anything. The rules are meant to soften her heart more to feel something, because as you should clearly know men don't soften so easy. I shouldn't even have to explain this, since most girls in the west seem to have a general sentiment that all guys are jerks.

    Try to understand what I'm saying please.

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    And where is that found in the scripture? Last I checked the man is allowed to withhold sex as a punishment (see Quran verse 4:34). Not to mention the physical and mental abuse she has to put herself through by being forced to have sex whenever her husband demands it (or get cursed by angels). I can tell you that no one in a healthy relationship goes through any of this bullshit.


    If either side is neglecting the other person's rights, they would simply withhold the other person's rights.

    Don't men get the cold shoulder often when they do something wrong to their wives? What happens after? It works both ways here.

    In a healthy relationship, people don't worry about it because it's healthy. It is when the relationship is unhealthy that we face all sorts of problems. People are becoming very selfish in marriage. Marriage is about mutual respect, love, and deep bonds. You're taking one single part of marital law in islam, and dehumanizing it.

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    Really? Do they now? I never knew this! You see, I thought my bf treated me as a beloved companion, he never makes me have sex on demand when I'm not in the mood, he always respects my feelings (and I also respect his). We don't have different rulings in regards to sexual matters, we treat each other equally instead. We've been together for several years and intend on staying together for the rest of our lives. I have many friends in similar situations. I never realised these men were treating us like meat. I must've been mistaken! Thank you for opening my eyes!! I feel like a veil has been lifted! I shall now obey my partner whenever he demands sex to ensure he is not treating me like a piece of meat. Obviously respecting my wishes when I don't want sex is treating me like a piece of meat.... Wait, that doesn't sound right.... 

    idiot2


    Take a look around the west. What do you see on most TV ads? Who as the prostitute industry fashioned for? Why are the men always in such a rush to get into a woman's pants?

    I didn't say all men are like this. I didn't say there aren't great relationships. I'm talking about society here, not individuals.

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


    Ok let's lay this bare.

    Exhibit A: Wife refuses. Man doesn't want to cheat, so he forces her

    Exhibit B: Wife refuses. Man goes and cheats on her.

    Both are wrong in islam. What's so hard to understand?

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    Who says so?

    Most interpretations of Islam are not backwards. They are positively retarded. Predictably. That's what usually happens when people take some Bronze Age shit seriously.



    You should probably come back and reply once you are calmer =/.


    Try to expound on these points with evidence to back your presumptions. 


    Take a look at reality. Anyone who's been in a serious relationship can tell you this, if they aren't arrogant. Sure, everyone is stimulated physically. But it's very different for the woman, look at how marketing campaigns work.

    I'll give an example. In the diamond industry, they have maintained sales over the years by selling the idea of how emotionally important diamonds are to women. The significance of the ring is to women far greater than men. These things just appeal to her.

    I'm give a crude example, but I can go in depth here. I didn't think something this basic would be questioned =S.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #23 - November 23, 2010, 10:22 AM


    What I was referring to was that men do not get aroused the same way. It's something physical which will get us going. For the woman, you could buy her something really beautiful or heartfelt  and she'll get very aroused.


    Do you write those dating tips on MSN or Howcast by any chance?


    If you don't love your husband, or don't care about him obviously you won't feel anything. The rules are meant to soften her heart more to feel something, because as you should clearly know men don't soften so easy. I shouldn't even have to explain this, since most girls in the west seem to have a general sentiment that all guys are jerks.


    No kidding, not surprised why they see us that way...



    In a healthy relationship, people don't worry about it because it's healthy. It is when the relationship is unhealthy that we face all sorts of problems. People are becoming very selfish in marriage. Marriage is about mutual respect, love, and deep bonds. You're taking one single part of marital law in islam, and dehumanizing it.


    So if I'm getting you correctly, wanting to have control over your body and doing things when you are comfortable is selfish, and in a healthy relationship undesired advances are put up with right?


    Why are the men always in such a rush to get into a woman's pants?


    Because nature made us that way and we don't necessarily have to rush either


    Is Spanish fly allowed in Islam?

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #24 - November 23, 2010, 11:08 AM

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    For the woman, you could buy her something really beautiful or heartfelt  and she'll get very aroused.


    Yay. And for man rub his genitals and make him a nice meal and he will never ever fall out of love with you. He will never cheat on you. Or beat you. Or lie to you. Or treat you like shit.

    Keep rubbing balls and make sure he's rubbing his stomach.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #25 - November 23, 2010, 12:15 PM

    Buying me presents makes me wet now?...

    You learn something new everyday!!
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #26 - November 23, 2010, 12:19 PM

    What year is this?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #27 - November 23, 2010, 12:26 PM

    Yay. And for man rub his genitals and make him a nice meal and he will never ever fall out of love with you. He will never cheat on you. Or beat you. Or lie to you. Or treat you like shit.

    Keep rubbing balls and make sure he's rubbing his stomach.


    Listen to BD young man, he talks from experience..

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #28 - November 23, 2010, 02:07 PM

    What year is this?

     ishina I got a present for you.....     parrot  ........ so how are you feeling now?  dance

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: "Rape not possible in marriage," says President of Islamic Sharia Council in UK
     Reply #29 - November 23, 2010, 02:11 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bt9xBuGWgw

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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