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 Poll

  • Question: Do you agree with Osama bin Laden's opposition to the French burqa ban?
  • Yes - 4 (12.9%)
  • No - 5 (16.1%)
  • Don't know - 0 (0%)
  • Fuck you (included by popular request) - 22 (71%)
  • Total Voters: 31

 Topic: Another question for ex-Muslims

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  • Another question for ex-Muslims
     OP - October 28, 2010, 07:11 AM
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #1 - October 28, 2010, 08:57 AM
    You should have added to the poll a question about your affiliation with the BNP, DH  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #2 - October 28, 2010, 09:00 AM
    In my view, France should have not proposed a ban on the burqa. It is part of a ethnic culture, and people have a sense of belonging if they were a certain type of clothing.

    However, now this ban has been accepted; you get all the brainwashed idiots and terriosts jumping in, and claiming France is against Islam and wants to finish off Islam. It's up to France and how it deals with the negative press now.

    France should have sat down with some of the leading Muslims in the country, and talk over the issue.

    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress."
    Mahatma Gandhi
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #3 - October 28, 2010, 09:25 AM
    Quote from: abzm94 on October 28, 2010, 09:00 AM
    In my view, France should have not proposed a ban on the burqa. It is part of a ethnic culture, and people have a sense of belonging if they were a certain type of clothing.


    I am against the ban myself for the simple reason that I don't think that the state should decide what people are allowed to wear in the street and because I believe that French culture does not need banning the burqa to prove its superiority to the ideas of the Wahhabis.  Banning is insecurity.  

    But what a silly argument you have come up with, so what if it is part of of an ethnic culture ?  So is stoning and human sacrifice and they are still not justified just because they are part of certain cultures.  

    Quote from: abzm94 on October 28, 2010, 09:00 AM
    However, now this ban has been accepted; you get all the brainwashed idiots and terriosts jumping in, and claiming France is against Islam and wants to finish off Islam. It's up to France and how it deals with the negative press now.


    As if they weren't going to find another excuse to get their panties in a twist and squeal...  If France pisses them off then vive le France.

    Quote from: abzm94 on October 28, 2010, 09:00 AM
    France should have sat down with some of the leading Muslims in the country, and talk over the issue.

    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress."
    Mahatma Gandhi


    Ahh yes the famous community leaders, because the rest of the Muslim community are too vulnerable and impressionable to be addressed as individuals like other people, they need patriarchal mafioso tribal elders to 'look after them' and speak for them collectively.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #4 - October 28, 2010, 09:56 AM
    well for the first time I find Obama directing his vitriole at least proportionally.  UK has been fair & been supporting Islam for years, yet we've had the bombings.  Its time Islam system of justice was spread fairly.

    eta:lol @ the irony, anyhow I meant Osama, not Obama
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #5 - October 28, 2010, 10:16 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2010, 09:56 AM
    well for the first time I find Obama directing his vitriole at least proportionally.  UK has been fair & been supporting Islam for years, yet we've had the bombings.  Its time Islam system of justice was spread fairly.


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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #6 - October 28, 2010, 10:53 AM
    ras111 chill out dude. Remember Muslims are humans as well, and stoning and human sacrifce is not an integral part of Muslim culture. Of course it is in certain parts of the world, and thats one of the problems with Islam; and Islam can piss with it.

    The reason why community leaders need to speak for the rest of the Muslims, is because Muslims have an issue integrating with society and are not as confident as other people to speak out. Muslims constantly feel under threat, and it's only right that somebody talks on their behalf.

    If every Muslim spoke for themeselves, then my friend, you'll get such different opinions and views. Again another problem with Islam.
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #7 - October 28, 2010, 11:18 AM
    Quote from: abzm94 on October 28, 2010, 10:53 AM

    The reason why community leaders need to speak for the rest of the Muslims, is because Muslims have an issue integrating with society and are not as confident as other people to speak out. Muslims constantly feel under threat, and it's only right that somebody talks on their behalf.




    What you fail to understand is that these community leaders make a living and gain all their influence when things are kept this way.  It is in their interests that Muslims are made to feel under threat, so they can monopolise and patronise and at the same time make themselves seem like they valuable to the government.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #8 - October 28, 2010, 12:26 PM
    Ok Ras111 if you say so...
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #9 - October 28, 2010, 12:59 PM
    I don't necessarily agree with the ban, but I fully understand why they did it,
    the same way I understand why most European countries are beginning to support far-right wing political parties.

    France's stance is essentially:
    'This is our country, these are our rules, so you're going to live they way we do, or fuck off back to where you came from'

    I kind of agree with that stance.
    When you live in a country, you live by their rules,culture,language and customs and if what you want contradicts the country you're in, then you move to your ideal location. Simple as that.

    In conclusion: I am neither for or against the ban (atleast for this moment)
    and I don't agree with the opposition, (not that he wouldn't just make up some other excuse if situations were different).
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #10 - October 28, 2010, 01:08 PM
    DH, you're so fucking lame. Fuck you.  Afro
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #11 - October 28, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 28, 2010, 07:11 AM
    FULL STORY


    Hello racist. Smiley
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #12 - October 28, 2010, 03:17 PM
    Quote from: billy on October 28, 2010, 08:57 AM
    You should have added to the poll a question about your affiliation with the BNP, DH  Afro


    I'll go one better and start a separate poll for that very subject.
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #13 - October 28, 2010, 03:31 PM
    Talk about loaded question.  Huh?

    It seems this is really what the French people wanted. The bill had a lot of support from what I can tell. So it isn't about what you and I want, it's about letting democracy do it's job.

    If this happened in the UK, I wouldn't really care either way. Even as a Muslim I felt uncomfortable about burka and most scholars agree that it is not a mandatory dress code. It's a personal thing but it has so many negative connotations. I really do feel it oppresses women and segregates them from society.
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #14 - October 28, 2010, 03:49 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 28, 2010, 03:17 PM
    I'll go one better and start a separate poll for that very subject.


    Congratulations, BNP boy  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #15 - October 28, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: Eliphaz on October 28, 2010, 03:31 PM
    It seems this is really what the French people wanted. The bill had a lot of support from what I can tell. So it isn't about what you and I want, it's about letting democracy do it's job.


    That a decision to violate minorities' rights is democratic doesn't make it right. That's merely majoritarian tyranny.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #16 - October 28, 2010, 09:40 PM
    No it's not it's consequentialism at its best: French people/leaders have a spine and have sussed out the backward and oppressive culture which Islam is (to women). Burka needs banning. Good job Frenchmen & women. Please teach us confused English something.
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #17 - October 28, 2010, 09:45 PM
    Authoritarian statist scum. The English taught the world about the concepts of natural rights and now you're begging the French to teach your countrymen something? You should be ashamed. John Locke and Freeborn John would shit down your throat.
    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #18 - October 28, 2010, 09:47 PM
    Q-Man there is no need for such language. That's clear abuse. He has the right to voice his opinion.
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #19 - October 28, 2010, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on October 28, 2010, 09:47 PM
    He has the right to voice his opinion.


    Never said he didn't-- just pointing out that HO wants to violate the rights of others.
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #20 - October 28, 2010, 10:22 PM
    Quote from: Eliphaz on October 28, 2010, 03:31 PM
    Talk about loaded question.  Huh?

    +1  Cheesy

    Why does it have to be "Osama bin Laden's opposition to the French burqa ban"?
    DH knows how to word unbiased polls, doesn't he?  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #21 - October 28, 2010, 10:26 PM
    I know, thats what makes him so irritating.  He's trying to piss us off, by putting us on the same side as the monster of Bin Laden, when we might vote on the same side for entirely different reasons.  Disgusting.
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #22 - October 28, 2010, 10:43 PM
    Just choose "Fuck you."
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #23 - October 28, 2010, 11:08 PM
    true
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #24 - October 28, 2010, 11:46 PM
    I Voted FUCK YOU

    Here is why

    "Bin Laden threatens to launch terrorist attacks in France over move to ban burkas

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324250/Osama-bin-Laden-threatens-terrorist-attack-France-burka-ban.html#ixzz13hTOtvSh"



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WBcpilFmw&feature=player_embedded#!



    Please tell me DH if this is what Bin Laden is saying, then why then does the video consist of pictures of OBL 20 years ago?
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #25 - October 28, 2010, 11:50 PM
    Oh yes and while you are trolling this site, reading our responses, read this site.

    http://www.exposingchristianity.com/index.htm

    Its a very good site. Enlighten yourself buddy

  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #26 - October 29, 2010, 01:33 AM
    I'm not sure what to make of it all.   wacko

    DH I have a dilemma, can you help?    whistling2

    Tunisia (a muslim country) has banned the burkha as far as I know.  Now, I'm going to Tunisia in December for a holiday and I want to do some shopping.  Last time I was there and tried to shop I was pounced on and hassled endlessly by all the store vendors probably because I was a white tourist who might have been perceived as having  "lots of cash to spend". 

    I wish I could wear a burkha when I next go shopping there so I can shop in peace. If it hadn't been banned I could have done that.   Should Tunisia have banned the burkha?    whistling2
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  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #27 - October 29, 2010, 03:05 AM
    tunisia is very liberal , they even have open restaurants in ramadan , so you can eat in public , but in my country you do prison time ,   6 mouths and you get beaten up by the police .

    tunisia is not so bad , and the hassling thing is everywhere in north africa , they hunt the rich and milk it . that's what they DO   grin12



  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #28 - October 29, 2010, 05:48 AM
    Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree on October 28, 2010, 09:51 PM
    Never said he didn't-- just pointing out that HO wants to violate the rights of others.


    HO I think I want to know more about your thoughts. I don't understand how you can leave Islam and have some of the ideas you have. Were you the same as a muslim? Would you have applauded this decision in France? Or would it have upset you? Would you have been against it because Islam demands it?

    EDIT:

    I should add that I also jumped the bandwagon of banning the burka in public places. It seemed to me the only moral choice in the matter, if the ban had to be implemented. My idea was that you have to show photo-id when requested by the police or at the bank, government office etc

    Maybe there is a way to work around that.

    But how many incidents have we've had were people rob stores in a burka? And how likely is that too happen? It's fucking cumbersome, you have to be able to move fast and swift. You have to have a clear field of vision.

    But in the end even though I feel it's opressive I can't force a woman not to wear it. It stinks of Islam, in fact even more so, at least that was the mandate of the Highest. This is the mandate of some human (I know "The Higest" is just the mandate of Muhammad but I digress).

    It's some colonial, elitist bullshit, these savages, we are helping them. I wanna know how many women have really changed the burka now? Where are these women now? Is anybody conducting a poll? Are they all at home, refusing to go out? Are they getting fined? Are they going out to get fined?
  • Re: Another question for ex-Muslims
     Reply #29 - October 29, 2010, 09:36 AM
    BlackDog I'm more than happy to debate in a respectful manner.  Smiley

    Short answer: please see Maryam Namazie's thoughts on also banning the burka.
    http://maryamnamazie.blogspot.com/2010/07/ban-burka-yes-please.html

    I can give you a long answer too, later to your points. I really do feel like I'm repeating myself though. Justifications which take a long time to explain ...

    Thanks for your supporting in the voicing of an Ex-Muslim opinion btw, I appreciate it.
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