To what extent should religion be respected?

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To what extent should religion be respected?
OP - October 30, 2010, 04:46 AM

I've heard a lot about religions having sacred rights and the need to tolerate and respect religions, but my problem with this is that religion is just a product of human thought. Right, I agree that it is important to respect people regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, age and whatnot because these are all natural things, things that people can't make decisions over and such.

But... religion? It's just a product of human thought. I believe all opinions should be tolerated, but not to the point at which they're granted a sacred right. I wanted to know what other people thought, should religious beliefs be granted protection from the law in which criticising the Qur'an or Bible can be seen as a hate crime? Do we not think that, as a product of human thought, having laws to protect people's beliefs is a bit OTT?
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Reply #1 - October 30, 2010, 07:29 AM

Christianity and Islam both say that non-believers and homosexuals are some kind of sub-humans who deserve to burn in fire for eternity, anyone who wants me to respect that can kiss my ass.

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Reply #2 - October 30, 2010, 03:20 PM

i don't respect all of the Abrahamic religions , the others didn't do much damage , buddhism for example

and islam got to be the worst , since it approve of wars in order to expand "belief" and of course it leads to much unneeded bloodshed , although they don't "force" the defeated to believe they charge them yearly , sort of like taxes
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Reply #3 - October 30, 2010, 07:21 PM

I’m happy to respect respectable beliefs. I wont be respecting religion or theistic claims anytime soon. It is more than enough to have to reluctantly tolerate them, without being told I have to respect them too.

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Reply #4 - October 30, 2010, 07:36 PM

I do not respect religion. I do respect the right of people to freely practice it, however morally or rationally objectionable I may find it, free of interference from the state, provided that practice does not immediately and directly infringe on the rights of other people.

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Reply #5 - October 30, 2010, 07:43 PM

The Abrahamic faiths and their holy books have no respect for me, so no, I don't respect them either.
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Reply #6 - October 30, 2010, 07:56 PM

I don't believe religion should be respected to any more of an extent than that of a person locked in a metal asylum.
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Reply #7 - October 30, 2010, 08:10 PM

Respect individuals, but you don't have to respect those ideas that don't respect other belief systems or people.

For example, religious precepts that don't accord respect to gay people, or 'infidels', why do they expect respect?

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Reply #8 - October 30, 2010, 08:13 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on October 30, 2010, 07:56 PM
I don't believe religion should be respected to any more of an extent than that of a person locked in a metal asylum.

Not sure that comparison works. People in mental asylums deserve sympathy and compassion and help, they are ill and can't help themselves.

I respect individuals, but the less benign aspects of religious belief that do not proceed from a baseline of respect for other belief systems, peoples, women or gays, are arrogant.

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Reply #9 - October 30, 2010, 08:15 PM

"Not sure that comparison works. People in mental asylums deserve sympathy and compassion and help, they are ill and can't help themselves."

Point taken, ha ha.

I should say : 'should not be respected any more than the face value claims of a patient in a mental asylum'
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Reply #10 - October 30, 2010, 09:22 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on October 30, 2010, 07:43 PM
The Abrahamic faiths and their holy books have no respect for me, so no, I don't respect them either.

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Reply #11 - October 30, 2010, 09:32 PM

I don't think so. :/
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Reply #12 - October 30, 2010, 09:34 PM

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Reply #13 - October 30, 2010, 09:53 PM

Bad ideas must not be respected.
(To decide what ideas are good and what are bad we use reason, and open and honest debate. Religion is based on irrational/unprovable beliefs, so religion loses, and is classed as a bad idea - particularly given that it includes so much dangerous dogma. Religion knows it will lose so tries to avoid public scrutiny and tries to silence criticism.)

Having said that, the people who hold those bad ideas must be respected as fellow human beings, but we should try to engage with them, reason with them, criticise their bad ideas, ridicule their bad ideas, until we deconvert them, or at least limit the spread of their bad ideas.

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I do not respect religion. I do respect the right of people to freely practice it, however morally or rationally objectionable I may find it, free of interference from the state, provided that practice does not immediately and directly infringe on the rights of other people.

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Reply #14 - October 30, 2010, 10:35 PM

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Reply #15 - October 30, 2010, 10:35 PM

I think certain religions do deserve respect. Mainstream Islam doesn't. Fundamentalist Christianity or Judaism doesn't. Those that promote good morals and practice, however, should definitely be respected. Whether it's the charity in Sikhism, the meditation in Buddhism or the love & unity of Christianity, such religions should be respected for the good they do in our world (yes, they actually do, as much as being catalysts for violence and division, it's also a tool for convergence and productivity). I don't think it is just coincidence (at least in the UK & US) that faith is considered to be a virtue. It's just when one groups all religions into one and gets tricked that one productive religion with good (and ironically) positively evolving meme means than another faith will also do the same and therefore requires the same level of respect. Such thinking is really wrong, I think.

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Reply #16 - October 31, 2010, 11:16 PM

In the point of view of the follower of a religion, he sees it as a product of the divine and I feel you should respect this particular delusion. Maybe I do that just to stay out of trouble haha

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Reply #17 - November 01, 2010, 01:16 AM

Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree on October 30, 2010, 07:36 PM
I do not respect religion. I do respect the right of people to freely practice it, however morally or rationally objectionable I may find it, free of interference from the state, provided that practice does not immediately and directly infringe on the rights of other people.

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Re: To what extent should religion be respected?
Reply #18 - November 01, 2010, 01:45 AM

I think it comes down to the particular moral precepts of each religion, whether they can out weigh the sheer nonsense of the mythology side of the religion. Even IF Islam had completely sound humanistic moral precepts (I know this is impossible), the character Allah is still far too manipulative and plain despotic to allow one to respect the overall creed.

On the other hand, Buddhism has many mythological aspects I find slightly laughable, yet it also has a much more humanistic moral code than Islam therefore I find myself able to respect it as a philosophy rather than a religion.
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