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  • Hey everyone!
     OP - November 02, 2010, 05:24 PM

    Hello all!

    I am an ex-Muslim, and proud of it. Very outspoken about my dislike of Islam, especially at my university where cultural relativism and political correctness seem to be considered necessary. Of course, not too outspoken about it in my household where I am still perceived to be a Muslim, although a very bad, angry and skeptical one Smiley

    Was a pro-Muslim member of FaithFreedom a long time ago, but quit and became an atheist and now fight for the other side Cheesy Scared to go back to FF though, because from what I remember, it was full of bigots and racists and murderous lunatics. I hear this site is better?

    Thank you for reading,
    Peace be upon you all Smiley

    EDIT: I would like to add that I'd be happy to debate anyone on anything Smiley

    'A syllogism; other men die
    But I am not another: therefore I'll not die.'
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #1 - November 02, 2010, 05:34 PM

    Welcome to the forum, dude.  dance


    Was a pro-Muslim member of FaithFreedom a long time ago, but quit and became an atheist

    Dude, you have some serious atoning to do, man. Cheesy

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #2 - November 02, 2010, 05:42 PM

    Oh for sure, which is why I tell people that I used to be a Muslim so I know how bad it sucks Smiley

    'A syllogism; other men die
    But I am not another: therefore I'll not die.'
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #3 - November 02, 2010, 05:47 PM

    Hey, welcome! A little more laid back around here than FFI. Avariety of topics just for fun and not necessarily related to Islam, but for the chill out benefit among like-minds. Hope you enjoy. Kiss

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #4 - November 02, 2010, 05:49 PM

    Thank you! Hopefully I'm not here too often over the next few weeks because I have exams, but I know I've just jinxed it and I'll be here very often Tongue

    'A syllogism; other men die
    But I am not another: therefore I'll not die.'
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #5 - November 02, 2010, 05:55 PM

    Welcome H.X. Hufnagel! (what's the story behind your name?)

    Yes, we are much better than that Fail Freedom place, I was a member for about five seconds before I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

    Please do tell us more about your journey!
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #6 - November 02, 2010, 06:03 PM

    It's from Horatio Hufnagel, a fictional character in a fictional television show in The Simpsons...I liked the name (I don't know why, I guess I'm easily amused) so now I use it for things! But the name wouldn't fit in the registration form so here is H. X. Hufnagel! (H. Hufnagel didn't look as good)

    Well, there's the exciting part of my journey. Here's the boring bits:

    Brought up in a quite-conservative Muslim family in Australia. I was always into philosophy and science and all that jazz and so the supposed sciency stuff in the Quran got me all hot and bothered. I liked to debate about God in certain net forums when I was around 14 and I gained a lot of knowledge and logic through that, but always sided with Islam. After a while all this stuff people had been saying to me about how illogical God is began to settle in, and as I kept playing Devil's advocate with Christians and Muslims, questioning their beliefs, I began to realise that there was no reason to believe in God other than the fact that I feared death.

    Also, I became more and more cynical as I grew up. The things that probably made me rethink my faith the most was Hell and Satan (those two words are so badass together). The fact that God could send people to Hell for eternity just made me sick, and the fact that he created Satan just so he could impose evil on the world and then would send Satan to Hell for that didn't seem just in any sense of the word. I began to question the fairness of this to my parents and so on and they kind of agreed that it was unfair but what could they do. My philosophy of morality also evolved and I realised that just because God says something, doesn't mean its good.

    So I was an anti-theist long before I was an atheist Tongue

    I went to Hajj when I was around 15. I didn't hate Islam yet, but I did find the Quran quite arousing at points, especially when it talked about virgins in Heaven. I was also reading this book called No Logo before Friday Prayers. When I reflected back on this after Hajj, the fact that this supposedly life changing spiritual journey didn't affect me in the SLIGHTEST just came to show that something is wrong here.

    I'm sure there's so much more to tell, maybe I'll remember later Smiley

    'A syllogism; other men die
    But I am not another: therefore I'll not die.'
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #7 - November 02, 2010, 06:07 PM

    Hey and welcome Smiley

    Was No Logo part of your apostasy process?  Huh?
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #8 - November 02, 2010, 06:13 PM

    Nah not at all, I was just reading it for fun because hearing how fiery and horrible Hell was and how there is only one God and that he has no children got tedious after a while. Like, there's an argument against Islam right there! The fact that God Almighty felt he had to reiterate a point ad nauseum to get a point across must show how unbelievable he felt his own existence to be!

    'A syllogism; other men die
    But I am not another: therefore I'll not die.'
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #9 - November 02, 2010, 06:49 PM

    Welcome!

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #10 - November 02, 2010, 06:52 PM

    When I reflected back on this after Hajj, the fact that this supposedly life changing spiritual journey didn't affect me in the SLIGHTEST just came to show that something is wrong here.



    When I went for hajj, not only did it not affect me positively, but it actually led me to sink even further in despair to the point of crying and begging Allah right there in the Haram behind the Miqat Ibrahim to give me faith because I realized mine was a thin a hair's width, or thinner. I numbed out after that I tried to get on with life, but I knew something was terribly wrong.


    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #11 - November 02, 2010, 06:53 PM

    I welcome you to COEM.  cool2

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  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #12 - November 02, 2010, 06:53 PM

    Welcome!

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    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #13 - November 02, 2010, 08:33 PM

    The fact that God Almighty felt he had to reiterate a point ad nauseum to get a point across must show how unbelievable he felt his own existence to be!

    Excellent Afro Have you told anyone about your apostacy, how did they take it?  How did you find us?

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  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #14 - November 02, 2010, 09:05 PM

    Hi and welcome H. X. H. !

    Very outspoken about my dislike of Islam, especially at my university where cultural relativism and political correctness seem to be considered necessary.

    Interesting; how does this PC attitude and cultural relativism show? Did you manage to get into any trouble as a result of the fact that you are outspoken about Islam?
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #15 - November 02, 2010, 09:41 PM

    Welcome  Smiley

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #16 - November 03, 2010, 02:16 AM

    Hi and welcome H. X. H. !
    Interesting; how does this PC attitude and cultural relativism show? Did you manage to get into any trouble as a result of the fact that you are outspoken about Islam?

    Oh definitely not. I meant more with acquaintances who aren't really aware of the true nature of Islam. I'm critical of it in some classes but I never get in trouble for it Smiley
    Excellent Afro Have you told anyone about your apostacy, how did they take it?  How did you find us?

    Yes almost everyone knows except my parents Tongue Most people were cool with it, but I've always been closer to atheists and non-religious people anyawy

    'A syllogism; other men die
    But I am not another: therefore I'll not die.'
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #17 - November 03, 2010, 10:00 AM

    Hey H. X. Hufnagel! Welcome.  Smiley

    Of course, not too outspoken about it in my household where I am still perceived to be a Muslim, although a very bad, angry and skeptical one Smiley

    So I was an anti-theist long before I was an atheist Tongue


    Same.  Tongue

    "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife."
    ~ Douglas Adams
  • Re: Hey everyone!
     Reply #18 - November 03, 2010, 10:19 AM

    Welcome to the forum  victory

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

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