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  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1020 - December 04, 2013, 01:45 AM

    Yeah, we're in complete agreement then. I finished the book this morning and my motivations were in part anodyne — spending most of my entire waking life trapped in a four-cornered room is really starting to take its toll on me, and shock horror, the chemicals don't work anymore. What I wanted was to read the account of an authentic sceptical muslim returning back to the faith. I don't think I could ever accomplish that step, personally, but I am desirous of a radical epistemological break with traditional hermeneutics. I guess what I'm looking for is an impetus against all odds — surely I can't be the only nihilist who can't actively affirm (in the Deleuzian sense) due to the clash of cultures, my own individual culture, and the hardships of adapting to life when the collective of the big other that the immigrant community defines itself against is shattered, namely the kafiroon?

    So ostensibly I finished the work even more alienated, bitter, and depressed.

    Sigh.
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1021 - December 04, 2013, 06:54 PM

    This is the first book from him that I'm reading and I can definitely see where you're coming from. However, isn't the use of the term 'postmodern' for his thesis a tad misrepresentative?

    also: re: criticism of islam. I do not know of any intellectual from an islamic background who accomplishes this with aplomb. Ibn Warraq's crude regurgitations don't count.


    I didn't refer to Sardar's thesis for this particular book as postmodern b he does generally adopt a hermeneutical approach and has referred to himself as such.

    His postmodernist and deconstructivist paradigms, which I think he developed in the 1980's and matured in the 1990's, makes him unique amongst the Muslim apologists. He accepts that there are violent verses in the Qur'an, but they are violent only because we fail to understand their deeper, spiritual significance.

    He falls in to the camp of 'I'm not trying to say that most Muslims are wrong when they interpret the Qur'an, but they are wrong when they interpret the Qur'an because they haven't read or understand the Qur'an in the same way that I have read or understood the Qur'an.'

    Such an approach was refreshing to me when I was a teenager hoping to reconcile Islam with my modern sensibilities, but the facade is quickly revealed when you reflect upon the whole vacuity of such statements. They mean nothing.

    He is postmodernist in that he accepts that you can 'pick' and choose' certain verses that you like and believes that there are a myriad ways of receiving and practising the message. He wrote a book about it. He is a deconstructivist in which he thinks he has found the correct way to peel away the layers of the 'apparent' and the 'immediate' to grasp at the 'unseen', the 'hidden'. Airy-fairy, namby-pamby Sufi tosh.


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1022 - December 04, 2013, 07:46 PM

    I didn't refer to Sardar's thesis for this particular book as postmodern b he does generally adopt a hermeneutical approach and has referred to himself as such.


    Ah OK, thanks.

    His postmodernist and deconstructivist paradigms, which I think he developed in the 1980's and matured in the 1990's, makes him unique amongst the Muslim apologists. He accepts that there are violent verses in the Qur'an, but they are violent only because we fail to understand their deeper, spiritual significance.


    Sounds exactly like what I did a couple of years ago when I tried to read Derrida, Lacan, Heidegger, etc... into the qu'ran.

    But then you realise that islam is praxis and nothing more. It isn't a detached thinking Cartesian cogito.

    He falls in to the camp of 'I'm not trying to say that most Muslims are wrong when they interpret the Qur'an, but they are wrong when they interpret the Qur'an because they haven't read or understand the Qur'an in the same way that I have read or understood the Qur'an.'


    Again, sounds like the approach I used to attempt to rekindle my loss of faith. I've graduated from that avenue, thankfully, or not.

    Such an approach was refreshing to me when I was a teenager hoping to reconcile Islam with my modern sensibilities, but the facade is quickly revealed when you reflect upon the whole vacuity of such statements. They mean nothing.


    I wouldn't call the statements vacuous but sorely lacking at the point of praxis. You can't realistically believe in a postmodern and hermeneutically deconstructed islam and expect for it to take hold for the collective, which, contrary to what most muslims say, is entirely Islam's raison d'étre. So yeah, bourgeois posturing.

    He is postmodernist in that he accepts that you can 'pick' and choose' certain verses that you like and believes that there are a myriad ways of receiving and practising the message. He wrote a book about it. He is a deconstructivist in which he thinks he has found the correct way to peel away the layers of the 'apparent' and the 'immediate' to grasp at the 'unseen', the 'hidden'. Airy-fairy, namby-pamby Sufi tosh.



    Surely he's just following Ibn Arabi's lineage? Or let me rephrase: the dialectic between islam and the man divorced from the herd shatters the concept of the unity of opposites and leads to negation of negation.

    Thanks for that post, mate. Very informative.
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1023 - December 04, 2013, 07:54 PM

    I would forgive al-Arabi for he lived at a time in which supertitions etc. were more commonplace and ideas expoused by his lot were taken to be actual truths. I can't forgive a man as intelligent, well read and modern as Sardar to adopt such an abstract paradigm and use it to analyse a very real, tangible, pallatable experience that we can see all around us.

    I guess it is misplaced 'bourgeoisie posturing' as he is using intellectual 'flowery language' and his modernist liberal tendencies to explain away the 'uncivilised' mentality and practicies of the masses. It is as if to say, 'you the many are wrong because you are too thick to understand the message, let me, the intelligent one with the education, do the thinking for you and tell you how to live.' It is sickening.

    At least now that I am no longer blind nor brainwashed have the capacity to call a spade a spade without feeling the compulsion to explain away the actions of the masses as a consequence of ignorance and closed mindedness.

    Sardar: I shall civilise the savage. Perhaps too harsh on Sardar as he is a nice guy, but there are many like him who truly believe their own BS.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1024 - December 04, 2013, 07:56 PM

    Yeah, we're in complete agreement then. I finished the book this morning and my motivations were in part anodyne — spending most of my entire waking life trapped in a four-cornered room is really starting to take its toll on me, and shock horror, the chemicals don't work anymore. What I wanted was to read the account of an authentic sceptical muslim returning back to the faith. I don't think I could ever accomplish that step, personally, but I am desirous of a radical epistemological break with traditional hermeneutics. I guess what I'm looking for is an impetus against all odds — surely I can't be the only nihilist who can't actively affirm (in the Deleuzian sense) due to the clash of cultures, my own individual culture, and the hardships of adapting to life when the collective of the big other that the immigrant community defines itself against is shattered, namely the kafiroon?

    So ostensibly I finished the work even more alienated, bitter, and depressed.

    Sigh.


    Stop! Just get out of your room! Go to a mountain or something. Hike. Stop for a moment and just breathe. You sound exceptionally intelligent, and you do have a knack for reading, which is even more awesome. But too much of anything will kill you (figuratively).
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1025 - December 08, 2013, 03:42 PM

    Steven Johnson - mind wide open
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1026 - December 08, 2013, 07:17 PM

    Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk

    turnipovich
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1027 - December 12, 2013, 07:23 PM

    How it Began - Chris Impey
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1028 - December 21, 2013, 07:33 AM

    Recently completed (past 15 days or so)
    Roy Jackson — Nietzsche and Islam
    Fuad Baali — Society, State, and Urbanism : Ibn Khaldun's Sociological Thought.
    Sinan Ciddi — Kemalism in Turkish Politics: The Republican People's Party, Secularism and Nationalism.
    Theodor Adorno — Minima Moralia (re-read)
    Georg Lukacs — The Destruction of Reason (re-read)
    Khaled Hosseini — And The Mountains Echoed.
    Hans Fallada — Alone in Berlin

    Currently Reading:
    Neil Davidson — How Bourgeois were the Bourgeois Revolutions.
    Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na`im — Islam and the Secular State: Negotiating the Future of Shari`a.
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1029 - February 11, 2014, 10:34 PM

    Four Past Midnight by Stephen King

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1030 - February 12, 2014, 02:34 AM

    The Harlequin.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1031 - February 12, 2014, 02:41 AM

    http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Work-Capitalism-Richard-Wolff/dp/1608462471/ref=pd_sim_b_1
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1032 - February 13, 2014, 05:25 PM

    The Well Dressed ape - Hannah Holmes
  • Steven Erikson: Deadhouse Gates
     Reply #1033 - February 13, 2014, 09:27 PM

  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1034 - February 14, 2014, 04:24 PM

    V. S. Ramanchandaran - The tell-tale brain
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1035 - February 14, 2014, 04:36 PM

    I'm reading a little known book called the The Qur'an, and The Bible  Cheesy

    Whilst also referring to Sahih Al-Bukhari.

    As for other books: The Shock of the Fall, The Greatest Show on Earth, A Casual Vacancy and The Etymologicon.
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1036 - March 17, 2014, 03:11 AM

    I'm not currently reading this, but I may try to get my hands on it. Looks like a bloody good read.

    Submerged: the Jewish woman who hid from Nazis in Berlin

    Quote
    On 22 June 1942, Marie Jalowicz Simon woke to find a Gestapo officer standing by her bedside. "Get dressed. We need to interrogate you." In a moment of inspired improvisation, the 20-year-old Berliner managed to distract first the Nazi official in her bedroom, then his colleague waiting at the bottom of the stairs, and escaped back into "submerged" illegality as a Jew in Nazi Germany.

    <snip>

    After the Berufsverbot, the 1933 law that prohibited Jews and political opponents from seeking employment in certain professions, she worked as a slave labourer in the Siemens arms factory in the capital.

    But in 1941 she slipped out of the official city records almost by accident: when the postman came to deliver a letter from the job centre, she simply said that her "neighbour" Marie Jalowicz Simon had been deported. "Moved to unknown destination in the east," the postman wrote down, using the common euphemism at the time, and the young woman vanished from the records. That same summer she started to walk the streets of Berlin without the Jewish star on her jacket.


    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1037 - March 17, 2014, 03:24 AM

    Rereading Dante's Inferno. Illustrated version. Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1038 - March 17, 2014, 07:19 AM

    I'm re-reading Smashed by Koren Zailckas for the tenth-millionth time. It's a first hand telling of a woman with alcohol abuse issues. I have no reason to connect with it beside the fact that it is damn good writing.  Afro

    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1039 - March 17, 2014, 08:40 AM

    I'm not currently reading this, but I may try to get my hands on it. Looks like a bloody good read.

    Submerged: the Jewish woman who hid from Nazis in Berlin


    That definitely sounds interesting, especially her routine with the postman.

    Also:



    She’s quite the babe.

    EDIT: looked it up on Amazon and it appears to be German only at the moment. Bugger!
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1040 - March 17, 2014, 01:52 PM

    well  reading one more on Quran  translated by that so-called sufi Turk  Ahmed Hulusi

    Quote
    His Perspective of Islam

    He considers his teachings a spiritual understanding of Islam in a modern context. Based on Muhammad's teachings and eminent Sufi authors like Abdul Karim Jili, Abdul-Qadir Gilani, Muhyiddin ibn-Arabi, Imami Ghazali, and İbrahim Hakkı Erzurumi, he denies the idea of a deity/god to worship, claiming there is no separate external god, there is only the One, referred to as Allah in the Qur'an. His principle has always been, “Do not be a blind follower of anyone. In the light of Muhammad’s teachings, choose and walk your own path in life independently.”



    gibberish is gibberish whoever translates it
    and Garbage is garbage irrespective of the home it is coming form.
     


    well there is nothing special in it.. but out of Islam and out of Quran he is an interesting guy .. here he talks about the brain
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERdnOH4r1f8

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1041 - March 17, 2014, 08:33 PM

    That definitely sounds interesting, especially her routine with the postman.

    Also:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    She’s quite the babe.

    EDIT: looked it up on Amazon and it appears to be German only at the moment. Bugger!

    Yeah I'd have to wait for a translation. Me no readen das German.

    And she was a honey.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1042 - March 17, 2014, 09:24 PM

    Almost finished God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens.    Finally got around to reading it.

    IMO it's decent but not as good as The God Delusion by Dawkins.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1043 - March 17, 2014, 11:00 PM

    I have started the imam's daughther by hannah shah
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1044 - March 18, 2014, 04:47 AM

    Theodor W. Adorno — The Jargon of Authenticity

    Brilliant critique of German existentialism, and, by proxy, mystical thought in general.
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1045 - March 25, 2014, 10:59 PM

    Anna Karenina-Lev Tolstoj
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1046 - March 26, 2014, 02:05 PM

    ^ Oh, that is a magnificent book. How are you finding it?
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1047 - March 27, 2014, 02:06 PM

    Well, I  pretty much know the story, because Ive seen the movie. So I decided to read the book and so far Im loving it!

  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1048 - March 27, 2014, 04:21 PM

    Michio Kaku - How the mind works
  • What book are you reading?
     Reply #1049 - March 28, 2014, 07:00 PM

    Michio Kaku is a pretty cool guy (aside from his crackpot theories of course Grin). I once read the first chapter of his book, "Physics of the Impossible". I never got a chance to finish it though.
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