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  • Evolution
     OP - November 06, 2010, 08:32 PM
    I'm just wondering, for those who agree with evolution, what are the claims and proofs behind this being the right theory?
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #1 - November 06, 2010, 08:49 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1m4mATYoig

    http://www.talkorigins.org/
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #2 - November 06, 2010, 09:15 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/user/ZOMGitsCriss#p/u/1/8nTnjx-JRzE
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #3 - November 06, 2010, 09:26 PM
    There is a truly enormous amount of evidence that supports evolution - evolution by means of natural selection is accepted as scientific fact by all reputable scientist and even by theologians. It simply makes sense.

    If you want to peek briefly into the evidence that supports evolution you should read The Greatest Show on Earth written by Richard Dawkins.
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #4 - November 06, 2010, 09:48 PM
    Well first it was against God's plan........ now it is evidence of God's miracle!!1
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #5 - November 06, 2010, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: TruthSeeker on November 06, 2010, 08:32 PM
    I'm just wondering, for those who agree with evolution, what are the claims and proofs behind this being the right theory?

    There's too much evidence for any one person to ever read it all. Everything from GULO genes in primates to antifreeze in notothenoids to diversification of cichlids and ring species effects in gulls and nylonase in bacteria. That's only dealing with currently living species too. There's a lot more evidence from extinct species. If you really want to see some evidence and aren't just asking to be spoon fed quick and easy sound bites then you can get all the evidence you want and more.
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #6 - November 07, 2010, 12:32 AM
    My PHD biology friend says there is more evidence for evolution than the theory of gravity, but that might be because that is his field of study Tongue
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #7 - November 07, 2010, 04:25 AM
    Quote from: TruthSeeker on November 06, 2010, 08:32 PM
    I'm just wondering, for those who agree with evolution, what are the claims and proofs behind this being the right theory?


    Its a fact. Plain and simple. By the way TruthSeeker, why do you have that name if you are Muslim? Don't Muslims know the truth anyway?
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #8 - November 07, 2010, 01:51 PM
    As an ex-Molecular Biologist Graduate (ex profession I should say)
    There is absolutely no doubt that Evolution takes place and is a verifiable fact from every angle.  yes
    If you have a spare 900 years, I'd be happy to explain all the evidence for you. Wink

    Here are a few beginner videos to get you on your way...
    If you want to know anything specific, then let me know.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/cdk007
    http://www.youtube.com/user/DonExodus2#p/p (playlist)
    http://talkorigins.org/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUu5hBp1AU8&feature=related  (1 of 5)

  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #9 - November 07, 2010, 07:56 PM
    Quote from: TruthSeeker on November 06, 2010, 08:32 PM
    I'm just wondering, for those who agree with evolution, what are the claims and proofs behind this being the right theory?


    What's your education background regarding this subject?  Your question is virtually asking for a crash course in evolution.  Maybe you could be more specific in what you desire to understand about evolution and/or what you may disagree with.
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #10 - November 07, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Fossils of us evolving:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

    With respect to populations of species:
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Human_evolution.jpg
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #11 - November 07, 2010, 08:05 PM
    What do you think TruthSeeker?

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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #12 - November 07, 2010, 08:32 PM
    It goes a little something like this:

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #13 - November 07, 2010, 08:35 PM
    AK in one hand, a shovel in the other.  That is how I do my garden work. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #14 - November 07, 2010, 08:36 PM
    Grin
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #15 - November 07, 2010, 11:06 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on November 06, 2010, 08:49 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1m4mATYoig

    I watched it and is awesome.. Should be enough to prove evolution.
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #16 - November 07, 2010, 11:09 PM
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #17 - November 07, 2010, 11:17 PM
     Cheesy
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #18 - November 07, 2010, 11:23 PM
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #19 - November 07, 2010, 11:24 PM
    Quote from: arX on November 07, 2010, 07:56 PM
    What's your education background regarding this subject?  Your question is virtually asking for a crash course in evolution.  Maybe you could be more specific in what you desire to understand about evolution and/or what you may disagree with.


    This ^
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #20 - November 07, 2010, 11:26 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLU4-kySow
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #21 - November 07, 2010, 11:31 PM
    I found the most hilarious image on an Islamic creationist site:

    Quote
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    http://understand-islam.org/Stage3Evolution.html
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #22 - November 07, 2010, 11:39 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 07, 2010, 08:32 PM
    It goes a little something like this:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #23 - November 23, 2010, 07:49 AM
    Sorry for the delay.

    I watched the video by Jerry Coyne and the video after as well.

    Quote from: arX on November 07, 2010, 07:56 PM
    What's your education background regarding this subject?  Your question is virtually asking for a crash course in evolution.  Maybe you could be more specific in what you desire to understand about evolution and/or what you may disagree with.


    I read a lot of stuff. I've researched the topic but I don't think I know much. I'm still researching parts of genetic mutation, and macro-evolution.

    Quote from: mighty_cats on November 07, 2010, 01:51 PM
    As an ex-Molecular Biologist Graduate (ex profession I should say)
    There is absolutely no doubt that Evolution takes place and is a verifiable fact from every angle.  yes
    If you have a spare 900 years, I'd be happy to explain all the evidence for you. Wink

    Here are a few beginner videos to get you on your way...
    If you want to know anything specific, then let me know.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/cdk007
    http://www.youtube.com/user/DonExodus2#p/p (playlist)
    http://talkorigins.org/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUu5hBp1AU8&feature=related  (1 of 5)




    Lots of videos here, but since you have studied this subject deeply, I want to try to understand it as linked with the thought process.

    I know that evolution does not answer the question of how to the first cell. That's another branch, but since theories need to work in congruence with other theories that is a question to look into.

    I had a number of thoughts come up as I thought through the theory. But I'll just go with one.

    I know that there are two proponents to evolution. The overwhelming majority who say that change was very very gradual, over millions of years. The other say evolution happened in large jumps spaced out. The latter have been debunked I believe.

    However, if we go with the former, as you probably already know, some things are irreducibly complex. Many of these things could not possibly evolve, so how would they make such a large jump? An example is bats. I was told in evolution that bats evolved from small rodents who slowly grew wings. But if this was the case, there would be during the process large time when the legs would be too small to run or walk properly, yet not strong enough to fly.

  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #24 - November 23, 2010, 08:18 AM
    Quote from: TruthSeeker on November 23, 2010, 07:49 AM
    Many of these things could not possibly evolve, so how would they make such a large jump?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #25 - November 23, 2010, 09:46 AM
    Quote from: TruthSeeker on November 23, 2010, 07:49 AM
    Sorry for the delay.

    I watched the video by Jerry Coyne and the video after as well.

    I read a lot of stuff. I've researched the topic but I don't think I know much. I'm still researching parts of genetic mutation, and macro-evolution.

    Lots of videos here, but since you have studied this subject deeply, I want to try to understand it as linked with the thought process.

    I know that evolution does not answer the question of how to the first cell. That's another branch, but since theories need to work in congruence with other theories that is a question to look into.

    I had a number of thoughts come up as I thought through the theory. But I'll just go with one.

    I know that there are two proponents to evolution. The overwhelming majority who say that change was very very gradual, over millions of years. The other say evolution happened in large jumps spaced out. The latter have been debunked I believe.

    However, if we go with the former, as you probably already know, some things are irreducibly complex. Many of these things could not possibly evolve, so how would they make such a large jump? An example is bats. I was told in evolution that bats evolved from small rodents who slowly grew wings. But if this was the case, there would be during the process large time when the legs would be too small to run or walk properly, yet not strong enough to fly.




    rofl @ irreducible complexity.

    how you define the attributes which are 'irreducibly complex'? this would require some level of quantification of the notion of 'complexity' or at least a qualitative set of rigorous standards for which an 'attribute' must fuffill to be 'irreducibly complex', else this notion just rests upon an ambiguity and turns to pure speculation.

    as for the bat example, how do you know as the wings got bigger/stronger the legs got weaker? why couldn't it be that the legs were strong enough to walk before, but as the wings took precedent the legs became more unnecessary and were selected against?

    this is pure speculation for the reasons stated above. fuck ben stein and michael behe.
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #26 - November 23, 2010, 04:25 PM
    check dis, proof of evolution of giraffes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cH2bkZfHw4
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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #27 - November 23, 2010, 04:55 PM
    In this video, Dawkins talks about the eye:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhDWCujcFEY
  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #28 - November 23, 2010, 05:06 PM
    Quote from: three44 on November 23, 2010, 04:25 PM
    check dis, proof of evolution of giraffes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cH2bkZfHw4

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  • Re: Evolution
     Reply #29 - November 25, 2010, 12:59 AM
    I didn't bother watching the giraffe vid but I'll bet it was about the recurrent laryngeal nerve. This is well known as being very good evidence of evolution and the giraffe is a great example, although obviously not the only example as all mammals are similar in this respect.

    Anyway, regarding this:
    Quote
    I know that there are two proponents to evolution. The overwhelming majority who say that change was very very gradual, over millions of years. The other say evolution happened in large jumps spaced out. The latter have been debunked I believe.

    You have been reading too much creationist stuff. This is a common distortion of what the original discussion was about.

    What happened was that several decades ago (and I'm old enough to remember when this was going on) Stephen Jay Gould started publicising the idea of "punctuated equilibrium". Of course, as soon as he did this all the creationists starting ranting about how Gould thought Darwin was wrong, which was complete bollocks.

    What Gould suggested was that evolution did not need to always proceed at the same pace. This is obvious when you think about it. If there are no changes in environmental conditions then there will be little incentive for already successful species to adapt in any way. It's usually when conditions change markedly that additional selection pressure gets applied to such species, thus encouraging either extinction or the development of new species.

    All Gould really did was to clarify a minor point that all biologists really knew already but which had not been made clear in so many words, particularly to laypeople. Successful species can remain largely unchanged for very long periods of time. They can also be subject to comparatively rapid speciation if conditions change dramatically after a long period of stability. This is what was meant by "punctuated equilibrium".

    Note that punctuated equilibrium is not a contradiction of standard evolutionary theory. It is simply a small but well-accepted part of standard evolutionary theory.
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