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 Topic: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?

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  • Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     OP - November 08, 2010, 09:28 PM
    This is a common point mentioned by non-theists in religious debates.  But from a secular & logical perspective, why were 2 of the worlds largest religions, along with Judaism, born in this region only? 

    Or should we simply put it down to chance?   
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #1 - November 08, 2010, 09:37 PM
    Main hub of civilisation then?
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #2 - November 08, 2010, 09:57 PM
    Not sure about that, particularly in terms of military capacity - any historians around?
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #3 - November 08, 2010, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 08, 2010, 09:28 PM
    But from a secular & logical perspective, why were 2 of the worlds largest religions, along with Judaism, born in

    this region only?

    Because those religions are Semitic imperialisms.


    Frequently used excuses as to why the Arabs were chosen by god are that Arabic is the best language, or that it is the most beautiful.

    Better ones I've heard are that Arabs were noble people, or that they needed Allah's message more.


    The Qur'an itself says it is in Arabic so that everyone would understand (LOL).

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    By the Clear Book;

    verily We have made it an Arabic Qur’an that you may understand.  [Az-Zukhruf 43:1-3]


    Quote from: Lilyesque on November 08, 2010, 09:37 PM
    Main hub of civilisation then?

    What about China?

    Have you considered the civilizations of the Americas?
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #4 - November 08, 2010, 10:47 PM
    I get that, but why werent imperialistic religions borne elsewhere that were even half as good at self-propogation?
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #5 - November 08, 2010, 10:58 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 08, 2010, 10:47 PM
    I get that, but why werent imperialistic religions borne elsewhere that were even half as good at self-propogation?


    Perhaps they weren't as simple and ideological at the same time?  Cannot think of any religion that is more apostolic and ideological than Christianity and Islam. The others are more localised.
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #6 - November 08, 2010, 11:01 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 08, 2010, 09:28 PM
    This is a common point mentioned by non-theists in religious debates.  But from a secular & logical perspective, why were 2 of the worlds largest religions, along with Judaism, born in this region only?  

    Or should we simply put it down to chance?  

    A lot of Muslims gave me this bullshit "If you look at a map, you will see that the Middle East is smack down in the centre". One even told me that the M.E. was of equal distance from all the continents.
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #7 - November 08, 2010, 11:02 PM
    Quote from: MoeAlharbi on November 08, 2010, 11:01 PM
    A lot of Muslims gave me this bullshit "If you look at a map, you will see that the Middle East is smack down in the centre". One even told me that the M.E. was of equal distance from all the continents.

    Well they are supposed to think the earth is flat after all  grin12
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #8 - November 08, 2010, 11:43 PM
    it's because they(muslims and jews) share the same father abraham , this also means they are related by blood
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #9 - November 09, 2010, 03:03 PM
    Theres a direct link between Judaism and Oral traditions traced back to Sumerian Mythology, theres also a direct link between that , christianity and Islam.

    It's essentially just a branch from one to another.
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #10 - November 09, 2010, 03:09 PM
    If you take away the assumption that the religions are supposedly universal, it because like asking why are all the Greek gods Greek?
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #11 - November 09, 2010, 06:24 PM
    If you're asking why it's only these religions that progagated so widely I would say it was partly chance, and partly just because of the nature of these particular religions.
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #12 - November 09, 2010, 06:39 PM
    Yep, I think you're right - it appears it was down to chance that the Abrahmic faith started in that region, then the rest was was taken care of by the evolution of memes - each one having to be stronger than the previous one in order to outdo it.
     
    In Islam's case the meme 'evolved' from Judaism & Christianity to became the final message, heaven & hell became even more exaggerated along with the icing on the cake - the concept of Jihad.
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #13 - November 09, 2010, 06:50 PM
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    In Islam's case the meme 'evolved' from Judaism & Christianity to became the final message, heaven & hell became even more exaggerated along with the icing on the cake - the concept of Jihad.


    don't forget zoroastrianism
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #14 - November 09, 2010, 07:00 PM
    ^ +1 on Zoroastrianism. (siraat-e-mustaqeem)

    Also Pegan prayer rituals.. (specially hajj)
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #15 - November 09, 2010, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: razi3l-0 on November 09, 2010, 06:50 PM
    don't forget zoroastrianism

    Wait up.  You saying zoroastrianism is from there too? 

    The Middle East has got a lot of explaining to do  finmad
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #16 - November 09, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Monotheism sucks.
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #17 - November 09, 2010, 07:50 PM
    I naturally assumed it was an area heavily filled with superstitious cults and ignorance which is why many 'prophets' were borne out of the Middle East region.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #18 - November 09, 2010, 07:59 PM
    The question should be why ancient kafir civilizations like China and India never had a prophet?
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #19 - November 09, 2010, 08:01 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on November 09, 2010, 07:50 PM
    I naturally assumed it was an area heavily filled with superstitious cults and ignorance which is why many 'prophets' were borne out of the Middle East region.

    I would have replied with "lulz", but on second thoughts I think you are being serious
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #20 - November 09, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: muddy on November 09, 2010, 07:59 PM
    The question should be why ancient kafir civilizations like China and India never had a prophet?

    its the same question phrased differently - anyway your answer would be?
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #21 - November 09, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: muddy on November 09, 2010, 07:59 PM
    The question should be why ancient kafir civilizations like China and India never had a prophet?


    Probably because they were doing well, they were situated in fertile areas and therefore the population was less likely to be fooled by some charlatan proposing a solution and a meaning to it all.  The Eastern Mediterranean and the Arabian Peninsula were poor unimportant backwaters
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #22 - November 09, 2010, 08:38 PM
    The thing is, Muslims believe there are an unknown number of prophets originating from numerous other parts of the world "There is not a single nation to which we have not sent a warner" and all that jazz.

    Zakir Naik also argues that Buddha and Vishnu may have been prophets in their own right... though I wonder whether he really believes this deep down.
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #23 - November 09, 2010, 08:45 PM
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    Zakir Naik also argues that Buddha and Vishnu may have been prophets in their own right


    Damn...the kuffar keep corrupting the message of Allah.  furious
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #24 - November 09, 2010, 08:54 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on November 09, 2010, 08:45 PM
    Damn...the kuffar keep corrupting the message of Allah.  furious


    Damn those lazy, world-loving, sex-crazed, materialistic kuffar (who also meditate and practice non-violence)!
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #25 - November 09, 2010, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 09, 2010, 08:01 PM
    I would have replied with "lulz", but on second thoughts I think you are being serious


    Well, wasn't it?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #26 - November 09, 2010, 09:48 PM
    Nah, I dont think the cults or ignorance there woul have been that much more than anywhere else at other times, but these religions were not born there..  I think the reason was down to chance & timing (i.e. military capacity) as I said earlier
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #27 - November 09, 2010, 10:20 PM
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    Nah, I dont think the cults or ignorance there woul have been that much more than anywhere else at other times, but these religions were not born there..  I think the reason was down to chance & timing (i.e. military capacity) as I said earlier


    the people of arabia before islam used to bury female babies alive to avoid shame when they grow up , none of the other civilizations in the history of the world showed that much misogyny

  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #28 - November 09, 2010, 10:24 PM
    Hindus in India were burying their female daughters alive, and that was in the last century
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  • Re: Why did the main Prophets only come from the Middle East?
     Reply #29 - November 09, 2010, 10:25 PM
    same reason , shame ??
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