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 Topic: Who else is still a virgin?

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  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #450 - December 08, 2010, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Which is what you did to your mother when you were inside her.  Does she think you ruined her life?  


    She wanted a child.

    Quote
    Do you think she had the right to terminate your life when was in its initial stages?


    Yes.

    Quote
     It doesn't have to be that way with contraception


    It can still be.

    Quote
    That can be done in a way through surrogacy.  How about both parents taking some fucking precautions instead of demonising the foetus as you are doing?


    If they take precautions and she still gets pregant, is it immoral for her to abort it?
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #451 - December 08, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 07:45 PM
    Do you know what a morning after pill is and what it does?


    Yes I do have an idea.  They prevent fertilisation or implantation.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #452 - December 08, 2010, 07:51 PM
    Implantation of what?
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #453 - December 08, 2010, 07:53 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 07:49 PM
    If they take precautions and she still gets pregant, is it immoral for her to abort it?


    I've already told you, I could not get myself to agree with it.  As regards what is moral and immoral, those are concepts which have no meaning for me.  I leave those to the priests.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #454 - December 08, 2010, 07:57 PM
    Ah yes, of course. The majority of the people who just can't get themselves to agree with a woman terminating a pregnancy seem to be men.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #455 - December 08, 2010, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Yes I do have an idea.  They prevent fertilisation or implantation.


    But you were earlier saying that human life begins at conception, not implantation. They are not literally 'morning after' pills. You can take them several days after sexual intercourse.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #456 - December 08, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Abortion debate, again?
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #457 - December 08, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 07:51 PM
    Implantation of what?


    Oh FFS!!! The embryo to the wall of the uterus.  There are several types of those pills.  The earlier the stage they act on the better.  One has to be realistic
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #458 - December 08, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 07:59 PM
    But you were earlier saying that human life begins at conception, not implantation.



    I did, but at the same time I have to be realistic and I have to accept that other people don't have the same standards as I do.  I am not against them but I don't like them either.  As I said before the earlier the stage they act on the better.  Not all act on the same stage if I recall well.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #459 - December 08, 2010, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 02:53 PM
    There will be no progress because I consider a zygote as having human life and you don't.



     Afro
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #460 - December 08, 2010, 08:18 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 08:03 PM

    I did, but at the same time I have to be realistic and I have to accept that other people don't have the same standards as I do.  I am not against them but I don't like them either.  As I said before the earlier the stage they act on the better.  Not all act on the same stage if I recall well.

    So at which point along the scale of life, which you say begins at conception and ends at clinical death, does killing human cells become murder?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #461 - December 08, 2010, 08:28 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 08:18 PM
    So at which point along the scale of life, which you say begins at conception and ends at clinical death, does killing human cells become murder?


    Personally I think that if conception is avoided or prevented in the first place it would be better, that's what I would only feel comfortable with.  
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #462 - December 08, 2010, 08:30 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 08:28 PM
    Personally I think that if conception is avoided or prevented in the first place it would be better, that's what I would only feel comfortable with.  


    That isnt what I asked. At what stage does murder become murder?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #463 - December 08, 2010, 08:51 PM
    Quote from: billy on December 08, 2010, 12:36 PM
    Maybe thats why you're still a virgin  Huh?


    lol read the second part...i was refering to needles only:p
    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #464 - December 08, 2010, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: Logical_Mind44 on December 08, 2010, 03:27 PM
    That's even worse. Cuz she thinks washing eggs down the drain is a heinous murder. Yet she'll stand and watch and do nothing to stop them.


    you act as if i have the power of doing something...im just a human u know i cant stop people from going to the abortion clinics
    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #465 - December 08, 2010, 09:00 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 08:30 PM
    That isnt what I asked. At what stage does murder become murder?


    You have my answer, don't you?  I think that human life starts at conception so by that reasoning murder becomes so after that stage.  Naturally it sometimes cannot be avoided and it is better to act as soon as possible.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #466 - December 08, 2010, 09:05 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 09:00 PM
    You have my answer, don't you?  I think that human life starts at conception so by that reasoning murder becomes so after that stage.  Naturally it sometimes cannot be avoided and it is better to act as soon as possible.


    So, if an embryo has full human rights, does an abortion have the right for a murder trial?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #467 - December 08, 2010, 09:07 PM
    ^^ In his opinion, it should.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #468 - December 08, 2010, 09:26 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 09:05 PM
    So, if an embryo has full human rights, does an abortion have the right for a murder trial?


    That all depends on what the state and its laws.  What I think is irrelevant.  If it is carried out in the late stages when the foetus is almost fully human then yes personally I think it should be a criminal offence.  However starting witchhunts against women have abortions and hurling abuse at them and demonising them as some pro lifers do is not the way to go about things..  I am simply stating my personal thoughts and I can appreciate that is a very complicated situation with no easy answer.  One has to be realistic.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #469 - December 08, 2010, 09:30 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on December 08, 2010, 09:07 PM
    ^^ In his opinion, it should.


    I'll speak for myself, no one pulled your string.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #470 - December 08, 2010, 09:33 PM
    ^^lol, sorry. I didn't mean to be derogatory.

    I'm just saying if you think it's murder, wouldn't you want the law to legislate the act as a crime which should be punished?

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #471 - December 08, 2010, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 09:26 PM
    That all depends on what the state and its laws.  What I think is irrelevant.  If it is carried out in the late stages when the foetus is almost fully human then yes personally I think it should be a criminal offence.  However starting witchhunts against women have abortions and hurling abuse at them and demonising them as some pro lifers do is not the way to go about things..  I am simply stating my personal thoughts and I can appreciate that is a very complicated situation with no easy answer.  One has to be realistic.


    Witchunts and abortion bombing are red herring. Do you think a more regulated legal procedure should be applied to apprehending and bringing fetus murderers to trial? The same standard police and justice procedure that we use for all other murderers?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #472 - December 08, 2010, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on December 08, 2010, 09:33 PM
    ^^lol, calm down.

    I'm just saying if you think it's murder, wouldn't you want the law to lgeislate the act as a crime which should be punished?




    Yes I would want there to be a law to protect the foetuses but one has to be realistic given the complexity of the situation.  Punishing the women would be counter productive and silly and it could set dangerous precedents given the enforcement by the state.  Enforcing such a law alone would be difficult.  I might dislike certain methods used, but I cannot put a woman who terminated her pregnancy in it is initial stages, after her contraception failed in the same category of a child murderer either.  They are still different.

    I would much rather see the promotion of methods which prevent contraception altogether and a reduction in the other methods rather than enforcement by law.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #473 - December 08, 2010, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 09:38 PM
    Witchunts and abortion bombing are red herring. Do you think a more regulated legal procedure should be applied to apprehending and bringing fetus murderers to trial? The same standard police and justice procedure that we use for all other murderers?


    Ideally yes but it is unfeasible in our situation for many reasons.  It would also be unjust for the mothers in several ways, given the fact that not every option may be available to them, to be prosecuted
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #474 - December 08, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 09:43 PM
    Ideally yes but it is unfeasible in our situation for many reasons. 

    What reasons?

    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 09:43 PM
    It would also be unjust for the mothers in several ways, given the fact that not every option may be available to them, to be prosecuted.


    Murder is a serious crime. You don't get a free pass for murder in any circumstances.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #475 - December 08, 2010, 10:09 PM
    @ras111 - why do you think murder is/should-be punishable?
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #476 - December 09, 2010, 01:31 AM
    I don't consider abortion murder. In the first trimester, they're nothing more than cells the size of a tumor... and most likely likea tumor. Plus, people have spontaneous abortions or miscarriages all the time.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #477 - December 09, 2010, 01:34 AM
    Cool Canadian is still a virgin right?

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    And dont u get suspicious
    Im DIG dangerous, u just a little vicious
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #478 - December 09, 2010, 01:45 AM
    I wanna be on their blog!
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #479 - December 09, 2010, 01:46 AM
    ur a troll, spoon pics or ur tut
    And dont u get suspicious
    Im DIG dangerous, u just a little vicious
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