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  • Explain to Parents
     OP - November 17, 2010, 02:12 PM

    hello there... i was raised in muslim family, but i already leave that religion and choosed to be an agnostic atheist..

    still my parents dont know about that,, how to explain to them?... its hard for them of course

    i still respect them as my parents,, thx..
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #1 - November 17, 2010, 02:35 PM

    The best way is to never tell them and live in harmony.

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #2 - November 17, 2010, 02:42 PM

    hello there... i was raised in muslim family, but i already leave that religion and choosed to be an agnostic atheist..

    still my parents dont know about that,, how to explain to them?... its hard for them of course

    i still respect them as my parents,, thx..


    It depends on your parents really. If they're like strict and religious then I'd advise you against it and remain quiet. I'm planning on telling my mum this weekend but don't wanna tell my dad bcoz even though he's not religious he's sort of conservative when it comes to the family's "izzat" (think it kinda means respect/honour/pride) I respect my parents, mates and bf and all other muslims--as long as they respect me.
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #3 - November 17, 2010, 03:12 PM

    I'm having the same trouble right now.
    When I was younger I could ask questions and my father would answer them with a then sufficient answer.
    However a few months ago he started getting suspicious of my unbelief because of the way I criticize Islam more and more.

    He has advised me (maybe 'ordered' me is a better word here) to go see an Imam with my doubts or at least read the Quran objectively to see the truth in it.
    Unfortunately he's unaware that this would make no difference, because I'm in a stage that Allah is not real for me and I also reject that Muhammad was his prophet (or any other 'prophet' that ever existed).

    I thought of faking my belief to live in harmony like Muddy says, but there is no harmony at home. I really hate my father, for the manipulative asshole he is, psychologically raping me and my siblings. Also, I'm 22 now, in a few years I'll be married (with my non-muslim girlfriend) and I don't want to raise my children muslim. Knowing my father, he'll make a lot of trouble out of this, so by faking my belief I won't solve anything, I'll just be postponing the shitstorm  wacko

    So incredibly pissed right now, these problems shouldn't exist. Fuck organized religion.

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #4 - November 17, 2010, 03:15 PM

    In that case, live your married life as far away from him as possible.

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #5 - November 17, 2010, 03:19 PM

    he's sort of conservative when it comes to the family's "izzat" (think it kinda means respect/honour/pride)


    Yo dad is gangsta.

    fuck you
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #6 - November 17, 2010, 03:44 PM

    The best way is to never tell them and live in harmony.

    Thats not how got a modern day acceptance of homosexuality, my how you have just shit on the graves of your ancestors.

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #7 - November 17, 2010, 04:04 PM

    Oh please, IsLame

    fuck you
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #8 - November 17, 2010, 04:08 PM

    You already know how to tell them, you're seeking for an easier way but there isnt one.  yes
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #9 - November 17, 2010, 04:34 PM

    Just keep criticizing religion. All religions that is. It is more trouble if they think you're converting to Christianity or any other religion.

    This is what I have been doing for many many years. I even got away with noy sacrificing any sheep for the last 5 years. I researched and told them the truth about how unnecessary all this bloody cermonies are. Infact it's only Sunna and Muslims don't have to follow.  Afro

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #10 - November 17, 2010, 04:39 PM

    if you're still in indonesia living with your parents i highly suggest that you don't tell them anything , they won't understand and they gonna keep nagging FOREVER .
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #11 - November 17, 2010, 04:43 PM

    Just keep criticizing religion. All religions that is. It is more trouble if they think you're converting to Christianity or any other religion.

    I tried that, and they were very quick to judge and gave me fatwa that I am not allowed to even read books of other religions.

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #12 - November 17, 2010, 04:51 PM

    hello there... i was raised in muslim family, but i already leave that religion and choosed to be an agnostic atheist..

    still my parents dont know about that,, how to explain to them?... its hard for them of course

    i still respect them as my parents,, thx..

    I'm having the same trouble right now.
    When I was younger I could ask questions and my father would answer them with a then sufficient answer.
    However a few months ago he started getting suspicious of my unbelief because of the way I criticize Islam more and more.

    He has advised me (maybe 'ordered' me is a better word here) to go see an Imam with my doubts or at least read the Quran objectively to see the truth in it.
    Unfortunately he's unaware that this would make no difference, because I'm in a stage that Allah is not real for me and I also reject that Muhammad was his prophet (or any other 'prophet' that ever existed).

    I thought of faking my belief to live in harmony like Muddy says, but there is no harmony at home. I really hate my father, for the manipulative asshole he is, psychologically raping me and my siblings. Also, I'm 22 now, in a few years I'll be married (with my non-muslim girlfriend) and I don't want to raise my children muslim. Knowing my father, he'll make a lot of trouble out of this, so by faking my belief I won't solve anything, I'll just be postponing the shitstorm  wacko

    So incredibly pissed right now, these problems shouldn't exist. Fuck organized religion.


    My 2 cents...

    Before either of you decide you want to come out, you need to be aware of the potential consequences of your actions and be ready to accept them if they happen. I came out to my parents a few months ago, in the end I ended up leaving them as it just wasn't possible for them to live with me as an atheist. We haven't spoken since and very few family members keep in touch me. I caused my family a lot of pain and had to deal with a lot of emotional blackmail which was very hard to deal with. Losing ones family is quite common in these situations, and even if you don't lose them you will almost certainly have to deal with a huge amount of emotional blackmail. You need to be psychologically ready to deal with all this. Also, you need to prepare an escape plan if it ever comes down to that (and ensure you are financially stable to support yourself).

    How you come out is up to you. There is no easy way to tell them. I used the cowards way by sending an email as I don't have the guts to say it face to face. My story is linked in my signature if you ever need it. It details pretty much everything I've been through, although I haven't yet written up the part where I told them about my apostasy. However I did post here regularly during my ordeal, and the links to those posts are included in the blog (in the last chapter). There's a lot of posts though but they might help you understand what might have to go through.

    Hope this has been of some help. I understand it's not so easy to simply pretend to be a muslim for the sake of keeping peace. It is a heavy burden and not one any of us should be made to carry. We have a right to our own view on faith and to live the way we want to.
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #13 - November 17, 2010, 04:59 PM

    @starsbrave

    Have you told anyone about your apostasy?

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #14 - November 17, 2010, 05:16 PM

    It's fascinating to see how different apostates deal with their family.  I don't like telling people what to do, and for something as big as family troubles, I'd prefer not to get involved.  We can only give advice (from our experiences) about the pros and cons of telling your parents or partner about your apostasy.  But ultimately the decision is yours.

    Here's what I have noticed during my time on this forum:
    • There are some who couldn't stand the controls anymore and told their family and it did not go down too well, but they expected it and are willing to pay this short-to-medium term price for their freedom.
    • There are some who enjoy a fair amount of freedom already because they are independent, or live far from family, or have liberal parents.
      • Some of these have decided that there is no need to tell their parents so as not to break their hearts,
      • and some have decided to tell them for honesty sake, and to further the cause of ex-Muslims etc.
    • Some are too young and still financially (and emotionally) dependent on their parents, so they must suck it up and remain in the closet about their apostasy.
    • Some are married to Muslim spouses and remain in the closet for the sake of the marriage and kids.
    • Some dare not tell anyone because they live in a Muslim country or the Muslims in their area are too radical and could attack them.

    Aside from family troubles or the fear factor, I think apostates can and do cause enormous damage to Islam even if they are not open about their apostasy.  They secretly spread a more liberal/progressive form of Islam and instil doubts in the minds of Muslims.  The open apostates are useful too for the purpose of breaking the taboo of apostasy and reminding Muslims that apostates of Islam are not a myth.  They are *real* and not baby-eating monsters.  They can be decent like IsLame and Hassan.  Oh, wait...

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  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #15 - November 19, 2010, 05:32 AM

    @starsbrave

    Have you told anyone about your apostasy?

    yea, my sister and most of my friends already know about that
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #16 - November 19, 2010, 05:35 AM

    it means that i have to keep its hidden from my parents, until they know for their self about my apostasy..

    and try to live out of my parent's house? but still keep in touch with them?.. hows that?
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #17 - November 19, 2010, 05:54 AM

    Starbrave : "it means that i have to keep its hidden from my parents, until they know for their self about my apostasy.. and try to live out of my parent's house? but still keep in touch with them?.. hows that?"

    [1] How will they react if you were to tell them about your apostasy? Will they be acceptable or will they become violent?
    If they become violent, why bother even to tell them. Let them be as they are. Why risk yourself?

    [2] Be independent. Why there are a lot of ex muslims still in closet because they are still living with their family. Still depend on their parent to provide them the money, housing etc. So if you still require all these, then its just logical to be a closet ex-muslim until you are ready. Ready = when you are working and earning your own living. In Malaysia, if you try to leave the religious authority can jail you. You will be send for reeducation and they will convince you to revert back. I believe Indonesia is more liberal and accommodating. So thank your luck star that you're not a malaysian. You can still exercise your freedom though limited it may seem at this moment, better than the malaysian.

    [3] Well depend on how acceptable your family are. My father and my whole family and relatives knows about my apostasy, but what can they do about it. When my father was ill [ he is dead now ] I was the one at his bedside, providing him with all the support - financially and what nots. I do my duty as a daughter, not neglecting my father. Even when my father died, I allow my step mother to stay in my house. Did I chase her out, NO! contrary to that, her relations was instigating her "you should leave... you should get your own house. This step daughter of yours will ask you to leave not that her father is dead etc..." You see how cruel they can be to do such a thing even during my father's funeral.

    What I'm trying to say is that, you do your duty. Action speaks louder than words.

    Malays by Definition is NOT a Muslim !!!
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #18 - November 19, 2010, 06:02 AM

    I think apostates can and do cause enormous damage to Islam even if they are not open about their apostasy.  They secretly spread a more liberal/progressive form of Islam and instil doubts in the minds of Muslims.  The open apostates are useful too for the purpose of breaking the taboo of apostasy and reminding Muslims that apostates of Islam are not a myth.  They are *real* and not baby-eating monsters. 


    I agree with you on this. Change is happening everywhere, and we should thank the internet revolution for this change. We  began to understand now why the Clerics like the one from Indonesia hated the Internet and demanded that the authority put a block on it. We are the prove that, change is happening and it is a threat to them. The conservative Islam exist in the olden days because there is not transmission of information. People rely on the clerics, and they use this to control the masses.

    The Apostate are the new force that the Muslims have to deal with.  We've been there, we know what is happening and we are speaking out. They're going to hate us for what we are. Anything new here?

    Malays by Definition is NOT a Muslim !!!
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #19 - November 19, 2010, 03:59 PM

    yea, my sister and most of my friends already know about that


    Nice! How did your sister take it? You are not afraid she might tell your parents? Do you talk about religion much with her?

    "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife."
    ~ Douglas Adams
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #20 - November 20, 2010, 12:09 AM

    The best way is sometimes the hardest way. In this case, you just have to go straight up tell them you don't believe in Islam. If you are underage, I suggest you wait till you are financially well off
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #21 - November 21, 2010, 05:13 AM

    Nice! How did your sister take it? You are not afraid she might tell your parents? Do you talk about religion much with her?

    yes im talking about religion a lot with her, even she said she wasnt brave to leave her religion, but i could see she is starting to doubt her religion..
  • Re: Explain to Parents
     Reply #22 - November 21, 2010, 05:14 AM

    The best way is sometimes the hardest way. In this case, you just have to go straight up tell them you don't believe in Islam. If you are underage, I suggest you wait till you are financially well off

     yea im waiting for that moment, when i get my own job and live with my own, i could do something about my faith, even in this country my faith cant be allowed
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