The Collapse of Darwinism

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The Collapse of Darwinism
OP - November 20, 2010, 09:06 AM

I think many of you saw this documentary before. Watch and share what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5sfHz3xyNc

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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #1 - November 20, 2010, 02:21 PM

Someone posted this on this forum:
Muslim Argument: Islam is a great religion because universe is so perfectly designed.
Answer: If universe is so amazingly perfect, why is your religion so crappy?

Do you seriously think that all the ex-muslims in this site are too stupid that they have not gone through significant trauma and thorough studies of universe and science before making their decision? Even knowing how much eternal punishment they would end up having?

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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #2 - November 20, 2010, 02:38 PM

Also if you are a believer of intelligent design, I have couple of questions for you:

1. Do you think that the intelligent designer was intelligent?
2. If yes, who created such a creature who can intelligently design the whole universe?

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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #3 - November 20, 2010, 02:50 PM

The theory of evolution has more proof of its existence than the theory of gravity.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #4 - November 20, 2010, 02:52 PM

"Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny." - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #5 - November 20, 2010, 02:53 PM

I spend so much time refuting such videos on youtube it's not even funny.
I say refute, but what I really mean is school the uploaders on how ridiculous every single argument really is and how flawed the premise of the entire videos are.

As an Ex-Molecular Biologist, Evolution is not collapsing in any way shape or form and is far beyond any point where it would even be possible.
This nonsensical idea has been parroted since the early 1900's and is even less true by todays standards.

Not only do more than 99.75% of all Biologists accept evolution and 20 individual aspects of science (such as Paleontology, archeology, Botany, virology) all conform to exactly the same structure independently, but we even witness Evolution on a daily basis and can view our genetics and see directly how we have evolved in comparison to our ancestry.
We have entire medical research facilities to construct vaccines and improve antibiotics, based almost entirely on the fact that Evolution occurs.
We even witness it in single cellular Bacteria and even zoo's can directly observe Natural selection.

These people made the same arguments against the Sun centric universe, a spherical Earth , Relativity and there is absolutely no doubt that in a few decades, when the truth is unavoidable to even them, that they will twist and distort a bullshit verse in the Quran and then claim 'look! the Quran said it all long! Long before scientists! A miracle!'

Makes me sick.

When the next global threatening virus emerges, I say we black list these people from the new vaccinations and hand them the 1950's versions....after all, No evolution means the 50's ones will work, right?...
They'd be on their knees begging for the new ones.
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #6 - November 20, 2010, 02:56 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats
When the next global threatening virus emerges, I say we black list these people from the new vaccinations and hand them the 1950's versions....after all, No evolution means the 50's ones will work, right?...
They'd be on their knees begging for the new ones.

Awesome idea!!

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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #7 - November 20, 2010, 05:14 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on November 20, 2010, 02:53 PM
I spend so much time refuting such videos on youtube it's not even funny.
I say refute, but what I really mean is school the uploaders on how ridiculous every single argument really is and how flawed the premise of the entire videos are.

You've got a ton of more work to do:
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #8 - November 20, 2010, 05:22 PM

Ive refuted roughly 8 pseudo-documentaries from Creationists in their entirety (Harun yahya especially)
Ofcourse you'd never know as my comments are deleted almost as quickly as their posted.

Theres one of his support channels on youtube named 'atlasofcreation1' or something of that nature, I refuted every single video on that channel, not a single comment stayed up past 24 hours after posting it.

Then again, its absolutely no different to almost any muslim channel i've encountered, which is why I made my own channel (link in signature)
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #9 - November 20, 2010, 05:27 PM

What about modern Muslims who say evolution is a miracle from Allah?

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Reply #10 - November 20, 2010, 05:40 PM

It's interesting to see how they make that argument, because they do exactly what I predicted they would.

They take a number of vague verses in the Quran, twist and distort it then come back and say 'look the Quran said it all along, long before scientists, its a miracle'

I have no doubt that this will be the case for all muslims by 2030
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #11 - November 20, 2010, 06:32 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on November 20, 2010, 05:40 PM
It's interesting to see how they make that argument, because they do exactly what I predicted they would.

They take a number of vague verses in the Quran, twist and distort it then come back and say 'look the Quran said it all along, long before scientists, its a miracle'

I have no doubt that this will be the case for all muslims by 2030

BUT IT TAKES THE KUFFAR SCIENTISTS[HORROR OF HORRORS --A LOT OF JEWS AMONG THEM!] MAINLY, TO DISCOVER THOSE FACTS!

Perhaps a proof that Muslims don't understand the Koran!

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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #12 - November 20, 2010, 06:52 PM

Aah, but you forget...

The evil darwinist scientists are liars and are always wrong because of the freemason conspiracy that they follow
(unless the scientists state that a claim originally thought to be true turned out to be inaccurate, then thats a whole different matter....suddenly they're telling the truth on the matter)

Absolute inconsistency FTW
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #13 - November 20, 2010, 07:43 PM

Here's apologist Abdur-Raheem Green on evolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g66o9Pkyq08

I give him some props for the first few minutes or so, where he says: "I personally believe that the theory of evolution is a powerful idea", and acknowledges how Muslims are silly to mock it.

Firstly, he states that Muslims do not have to believe in evolution.

He spins the old conviction about how Islam reveres science, and that Muslims cannot ignore what is conclusively proven. Then he says that there is not enough proof of evolution, and that it isn't conclusive, but anyway he thinks it does not conflict with Islam.

He goes wrong when he tries to link Islam to evolution by alluding to miracle claims about embryology in the Qur'an.

Nearing the end, the lecture turns into a full-blown creationist folly, when he mentions his belief in Jesus plus Adam and Eve.

Then he makes some uncertain flip-flop statements, the ones that stood out being:

"So do we believe that human beings, descended along with monkeys from a common primate? No, I don't believe that Islam could accept that, and I stick with the orthodox position. Does that mean that they could not have been human-like creatures, existing? That is certainly possible. Why not?"

"So I do believe, as the Qur'an teaches, and that's how I literally understand it. That god created Adam miraculously, and god created Eve from Adam. But did that mean that evolution did not take place? No, it doesn't."

Overall, his main point is that if you believe in evolution, you have to believe that Allah did it.

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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #14 - November 20, 2010, 09:02 PM

When will Creationists ever reason with themselves?

It's just a shame to see such good people at heart, confused and blinded by what they claim solely to be the truth.

Btw, Mighty Cats, I've seen some of your vid and they're really impressive
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #15 - November 21, 2010, 12:02 PM

Those videos officially make you more stupid.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Re: The Collapse of Darwinism
Reply #16 - November 21, 2010, 01:37 PM

ROTFL!! nice image ishana! Going on my facebook page..

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