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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #60 - November 28, 2010, 12:33 PM
    well they did carve it the same way people carve stone even today in sudan, ethiopia and eritrea... You have to keep in mind that the whole Pyramids thing played a part that INDUSTRY plays today in our bountiful societies. When a society reaches the point that it produces much more food than they need a new social structure appears, since not everyone has to work in the food sector. As the society becomes more numerous big industrial/monumental projects start (in each society), as a way of employing people (less civil disobedience) and as a way of glorifying their achievements as a society. The Pyramids were an ongoing constant industry, that employed thousands of people and generations of people that grew up watching their fathers building a pyramid and followed their footsteps, as it was the only way to earn money in a bronze age bountiful society.
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #61 - November 28, 2010, 12:36 PM
    Yes, but the point is, granite is a very tough stone and you need something even sharper in order to be able to carve it. Many say that diamond tipped equipment is the only way to do this, and there were no diamonds found in egypt at that time.
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #62 - November 28, 2010, 12:41 PM
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/cutting.html

    here u go.... it explains how granite can be cut without diamonds. Just because something is big and almost impossible to comprehend, it does not mean that some "super natural" or in this case an "out-of-earth" being did it... The logic behind the alien - pyramids relation is exactly the same as God - Universe...
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #63 - November 28, 2010, 12:46 PM
    Fair enough Smiley
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #64 - November 28, 2010, 12:52 PM
    Quote from: stardust on November 28, 2010, 11:27 AM
    Maybe 2012 is the year the 'aliens' will come back! lol


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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #65 - November 28, 2010, 01:11 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on November 24, 2010, 08:40 AM
    ... its quite probable that aliens might exist.

    True.

    However saying that they have visited this backwater planet in the past and built some simple pyramids and stuff is a whole different ballgame.

    I mean why did "aliens" bother with simple granite blocks? Why didn't they simply build some really high-tech stuff? Now that would have been something. If instead of granite pyramids there were futuristic towers made out of adamantium  in the middle of Egyptian desert your "theory" might have had a lot more credibility. But no, "aliens" were always inclined to use materials and technology that was accessible to locals.

    Oh yeah, I get it! They were into all that "Buy locally!" stuff.

    P.S.
    Same goes for Buraq.
    Apparently it was able to travel with a speed of sound. Big deal. SR-71 is 3.5x faster. God apparently cannot do better than what Yanks were able to do in the '60.

    Why didn't Buraq fly with warp 9.9? Or instant teleportation - not that would have been impressive.
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #66 - November 28, 2010, 01:47 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on November 28, 2010, 01:11 PM
    P.S.
    Same goes for Buraq.
    Apparently it was able to travel with a speed of sound. Big deal. SR-71 is 3.5x faster. God apparently cannot do better than what Yanks were able to do in the '60.

    Why didn't Buraq fly with warp 9.9? Or instant teleportation - not that would have been impressive.

    Muslims who I've heard talking about the buraq said it was at the speed of light.  Roll Eyes

    Another thing I found amusing was how Abu Bakr was able to trick everyone by saying that seconds and hours pass faster in space.

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    Abu Bakr in return replies, "If he said that, then he is truthful. I believe him concerning the news of the heavens—that an angel descends to him from the heavens. How could I not believe he went to Jerusalem and came back in a short period of time—when these are on earth?" It was for this that Abu Bakr is said to have received his famous title "As-Siddiq", The Truthful.

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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #67 - November 28, 2010, 02:03 PM
    Quote from: Buttersnips on November 28, 2010, 01:47 PM
    Muslims who I've heard talking about the buraq said it was at the speed of light.  Roll Eyes

    Another thing that always bothered me was how come Mo didn't fall of the horsie? I mean the acceleration must have been tremendous.
    Also did he have a helmet on? Have you ever driven a motorbike without a helmet? Not a nice experience.

    Btw how long did the ascension take? What we could do is calculate how far away allah's throne is.
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #68 - November 28, 2010, 04:59 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on November 28, 2010, 01:11 PM
    However saying that they have visited this backwater planet in the past and built some simple pyramids and stuff is a whole different ballgame.

    Pyramids are not simple - at all Smiley. Neither is the Stonehenge, and nor are the ruins at the Puma Punko place. They are things which would be difficult to build even with modern technology.

    Quote from: Kenan on November 28, 2010, 01:11 PM
    I mean why did "aliens" bother with simple granite blocks? Why didn't they simply build some really high-tech stuff? Now that would have been something. If instead of granite pyramids there were futuristic towers made out of adamantium  in the middle of Egyptian desert your "theory" might have had a lot more credibility. But no, "aliens" were always inclined to use materials and technology that was accessible to locals.

    Hypothetically speaking, I think the answer is rather obvious. If humans were to visit a primitive society, would we go through all the trouble of installing electricity and all the infrastructure that would be required to maintain a high tech monument, which could also be lost easily in a society where no one has the knowledge of electricity to keep it running? Or would we build something gigantic using the tools available at that time, especially if that monument is also likely to last a whole lot longer than anything hi tech would?

    There are also other theories around about why they built the pyramids. Some speculate that it could've been used as a power plant for beaming electricity to a mothership that hovered above earth (watch that documentary to get all the details about how electricty could be generated, I don't remember).

    This is all speculation, of course, but its just to point out why it won't be completely inconceivable for aliens to build the monoliths on earth instead of a very hi-tech monument.
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #69 - November 28, 2010, 05:15 PM
    Which aliens, Donatelo?
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #70 - November 28, 2010, 05:21 PM
    Haven't you heard? It was the jinns who built all the pyramids and stuff to confuse muslims. Watch Bushwackk on youtube.
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #71 - November 28, 2010, 05:23 PM
    I talked to a guy who's really into this kind of thing and he gave me the example of a giant boulder or rock in Baalbek that couldn't have been moved into place by people by any method we know about because of how huge it is. Stuff like that, and you get really complicated and sophisticated contraptions that people apparently can't explain the construction of purpose of. Like that thing they found in a sunken ship somewhere, can't remember the name of it.

    Either way, it's mostly just completely tentative conjecturing when it comes to stuff like this, and so it's largely pointless to argue about it.
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #72 - November 28, 2010, 05:27 PM
    By the way, I watched some of that vid, but it's very long. Could someone give me the gist?
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #73 - November 28, 2010, 09:36 PM
    Oh bloody hell. Where to start?  whistling2

    I'll take an easy one for now.

    Quote from: donatelo on November 25, 2010, 11:33 AM
    I've quoted from a petrographer in my last message who says 'We're not close to accepting even as a remote possibility a man-made origin of the pyramids."

    Dude, read the article properly. Don't just scan it and assume it says what you want it to say.

    That quote is referring to the theory that the stones in the pyramids were cast using an unorthodox formulation of concrete, rather than being carved from solid bedrock. The petrographer is saying that the mainstream opinion is that the stones were indeed quarried in one piece rather than being cast. So, the stones themeselves were not man-made (ie: concrete) but natural (ie: quarried).

    As has been pointed out already, most of the pyramid is either limestone or sandstone. These were chosen because they are soft and easy to work. The accuracy of the builders is impressive but not superhuman. There is a lot of mythology getting around regrading the accuracy. It is far from what could be achieved using modern methods. Modern surveying methods tell us that the pyramid is about a foot out of square, has sides differing in length, and a base that is a bit out of level. If it was built by aliens that had advanced technology their surveyors must have been drunk on the job.

    ETA: Oh, and pyramids are simple. They're just a collection of tapering block walls wth a bit of batter and a fancy cladding.

    Also, your claim that 8,000 tons of granite is "a lot": do the math. It's actually not that much in terms of volume. In rough terms you're looking at a block about 25 metres long, 10 metres wide and 10 metres high. It's bigger than a house brick but not exactly humungous for a large building project, and only some surfaces needed to be accurately finished. The other surfaces could be left rough. The blocks were intially split out of the quarry via a laborious method that relied on splitting the rock rather than actually digging it out.
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #74 - November 28, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Andddddddddddddddd another thing......................... bunny

    What about the mistakes? Ever heard of the Bent Pyramid? Got any idea why it's bent? I'll tell ya. It's because at the time it was being built (which is before the Giza pyramids) there was also another pyramid under construction. It fell down. Oh dear. Teh aliens made a fuckup.

    The reason it fell down was poor workmanship. The stones that make up the cores of the surviving pyramids are cut accurately enough to stay up, but not cut perfectly. In the case of the one that fell down, the workers didn't square the stones accurately aenough to ensure stability. The result was that it collapsed like a big heap of marbles once enough load was placed on it.

    Naturally the guys responsible for the Bent Pyramid were somewhat concerned about this and didn't want their project landing in the crap, so they reduced the slope of the upper sections to reduce the weight. Now, if these guys were advanced aliens one might be forgiven for thinking that they'd be able to handle basic engineering calculations as well as being able to cut stone with sufficient accuracy to make sure the bloody pyramid didn't fall down.
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #75 - November 29, 2010, 03:13 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 28, 2010, 09:36 PM
    That quote is referring to the theory that the stones in the pyramids were cast using an unorthodox formulation of concrete, rather than being carved from solid bedrock. The petrographer is saying that the mainstream opinion is that the stones were indeed quarried in one piece rather than being cast. So, the stones themeselves were not man-made (ie: concrete) but natural (ie: quarried).

    Really? Where does it say that, can you point it out? The quote talks about a man made origin of the 'pyramids' rather than a man made origin of the 'stones'. This is in context with the wikipedia article pointing out the flaws in both of the major hypothesises about pyramid construction.

    As for the bent pyramid, couldn't it be that the aliens allowed humans to have a shot at first, and when it failed, they decided to jump in and assist with the construction of the giza pyramid themselves? Who knows  whistling2
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #76 - November 29, 2010, 03:17 AM
    God did it.

    Wait, no. Atheists are cooler, we fill gaps with aliens. ET did it.
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #77 - November 29, 2010, 03:25 AM
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    “It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to ideas. If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. You become a crotchety old person convinced that nonsense is ruling the world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.) But every now and then, a new idea turns out to be on the mark, valid and wonderful. If you are too much in the habit of being skeptical about everything, you are going to miss or resent it, and either way you will be standing in the way of understanding and progress. ”
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #78 - November 29, 2010, 03:32 AM
    ET wrote that ^^
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #79 - November 29, 2010, 04:48 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 28, 2010, 09:36 PM
    That quote is referring to the theory that the stones in the pyramids were cast using an unorthodox formulation of concrete, rather than being carved from solid bedrock. The petrographer is saying that the mainstream opinion is that the stones were indeed quarried in one piece rather than being cast. So, the stones themeselves were not man-made (ie: concrete) but natural (ie: quarried).

    Quote from: donatelo on November 29, 2010, 03:13 AM
    Really? Where does it say that, can you point it out? The quote talks about a man made origin of the 'pyramids' rather than a man made origin of the 'stones'. This is in context with the wikipedia article pointing out the flaws in both of the major hypothesises about pyramid construction.

    Yeah, sure I can point it out. I even remember reading the book written by the bloke who came up with the idea (Joseph Davidovits). It was very interesting and quite comprehensive. Anyway the pointy bit is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

    Quote from: Wiki
    Limestone concrete hypothesis

    Materials scientist Joseph Davidovits has claimed that the blocks of the pyramid are not carved stone, but mostly a form of limestone concrete and that they were "cast" as with modern concrete.

    <snip>

    Davidovits' method is not accepted by the academic mainstream. His method does not explain the granite stones, weighing well over 10 tons, above the "King's Chamber", which he agrees were carved. Geologists have carefully scrutinized Davidovits' suggested technique and concluded his came from natural limestone quarried in the Mokattam Formation.[38] However, Davidovits alleges that the bulk of soft limestone came from the same natural Mokkatam Formation quarries found by geologists, and insists that ancient Egyptians used the soft marly layer instead of the hard one to re-agglomerate stones.

    Davidovits' hypothesis recently gained support from Michel Barsoum, a materials science researcher.[39] Michel Barsoum and his colleagues at Drexel University published their findings supporting Davidovits' hypothesis in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society in 2006. Utilizing scanning electron microscopy, they discovered mineral compounds and air bubbles in samples of the limestone pyramid blocks that do not occur in natural limestone.[40]

    Dipayan Jana, a petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy Association) in 2007[41] and gave a paper[42] in which he discusses Davidovits' and Barsoum's work and concludes "we are far from accepting even as a remote possibility of a “manmade” origin of pyramid stones."

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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #80 - November 29, 2010, 11:24 AM
    Fair enough Tongue. Sorry, I must've misread that line about pyramids/pyramid stones  parrot
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #81 - November 30, 2010, 12:19 AM
    Here's a pretty interesting vid:

    It's basically about a doctor who removes objects from people that are believed to have been implanted in them by aliens. Skip to 1 minute:

    (Check out the freaky thing at 2:17)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9H2xVe5rQ&NR=1
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #82 - November 30, 2010, 12:37 AM
    Oh and this one's pretty good too:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoiX7BqscuY&feature=related
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #83 - November 30, 2010, 12:40 AM
    Quote from: Zebedee on November 30, 2010, 12:19 AM
    Here's a pretty interesting vid:

    It's basically about a doctor who removes objects from people that are believed to have been implanted in them by aliens. Skip to 1 minute:

    (Check out the freaky thing at 2:17)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9H2xVe5rQ&NR=1

    So what were those implanted things in the end (on the assumption that they were not depostited by aliens  grin12)?
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #84 - November 30, 2010, 12:44 AM
    No-one knows, it would seem. Watch the other vid.  grin12
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #85 - November 30, 2010, 12:48 AM
    at first glance, sounds like incompetent scientists/labs to me
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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #86 - November 30, 2010, 12:49 AM
    Donatello, have you ruled out the possibility of mutant ninja animals?









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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #87 - November 30, 2010, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 30, 2010, 12:48 AM
    at first glance, sounds like incompetent scientists/labs to me


    Haha, the University of California has inept scientists working at it? Well, their funding will be well spent, 'lol'.
  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #88 - November 30, 2010, 07:25 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 30, 2010, 12:49 AM
    Donatello, have you ruled out the possibility of mutant ninja animals?

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  • Re: Ancient Aliens
     Reply #89 - November 30, 2010, 09:17 AM
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