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  • Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     OP - December 27, 2010, 08:02 PM

    If so, does anyone know where does this say in the Quran or Hadiths?

    Couple years ago, I was in the car with my one of cousins who is a very religious Muslim. I told him about my philosophy class i was taking, and he told me that it was Haraam in Islam to take Philosophy.

    I mean it makes perfect sense for it to be. Why would Islam want anyone thinking rationally, it needs to people to mentally retarded and within the grips of its complete brainwashing tactics
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #1 - December 27, 2010, 08:11 PM

    Perhaps he was making the extremely profound point that philosophy is useless when studied, philosophy, rather, should be livedcool2

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #2 - December 27, 2010, 08:33 PM

    Philosophy, by definition is questioning our existence, beliefs and ethics. Islam, by definition, has all the answers to those questions, and any doubts and further questioning of those foundations come from shaytaan.

    Therefore philosophy is from shaytaan.  yes

    From Imam An-Nawawi's 40 Hadiths:

    On the authority of Al-Hasan bin Ali, the grandson of the messenger of Allah, who said : I memorized from the messenger of Allah his saying :

    "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt."


    narrated by Termithi and Nasaee, and Tirmithi.
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #3 - December 27, 2010, 08:37 PM

    Apparently, philosophy is ignorance, and studying things outside of the faith is seen as bad. Its the exact opposite. Islam isn't for knowledge and questioning at all.

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    What is the ruling on studying philosophy? Please note that studying it is compulsory for us in Algeria.

    Praise be to Allaah.
    Firstly:

    It should be understood what philosophy is and what its principles are, before stating what the ruling on studying it is, because passing a ruling on something is usually based on the way it is viewed.

    Al-Ghazaali said in al-Ihya’ (1/22): Philosophy is not one branch of knowledge, it is actually four:

    1 – Geometry and mathematics: these are permissible as stated above, and there is no reason why they should not be studied unless there is the fear that one may overstep the mark and indulge in forbidden branches of knowledge, because most of those who study them overstep the mark and go on to innovations, thus the weak should be protected from them.

    2 – Logic, which deals with the way in which evidence is to be used, the conditions of evidence being valid, the definition of what constitutes evidence and guidelines on the use of evidence. These come under the heading of ‘ilm al-kalaam.

    3 – Theology, which is discussion of the essence and attributes of Allaah, which also comes under the heading of ‘ilm al-kalaam. The philosophers did not have any other kind of knowledge that was unique to them, rather they had some views and ideas which were unique to them, some of which constitute kufr and some bid’ah (innovation).

    4 – Natural sciences, some of which go against sharee’ah, Islam and truth, so it is ignorance, not knowledge that may be mentioned alongside the other branches of knowledge. Some of it involves the discussion of the attributes of different elements and how one can be changed to another. This is similar to the way in which doctors examine the human body in particular, from the point of view of what makes it sick and what makes it healthy. They look at all the elements to see how they change and move. But medicine has an edge over the physical body in that it is needed, but there is no need for the study of nature. End quote.

    In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Muyassarah fi’l-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1118-1121) it says:

    Philosophy is a Greek word composed of two words. Philo originally meant selflessness, but Pythagoras turned it to mean love; and sophia which means wisdom. The word philosopher is derived from philosophy and means the lover of wisdom. But the meaning changed and came to mean wisdom.

    Then the philosopher came to be called a wise man (hakeem). In the past the word philosophy referred to study of the basic principles, viewing knowledge as something based on rationality, the goal of which was the search for truth. For its supporters, philosophy is, as Dr. Tawfeeq al-Taweel described it: Rational examination, free from any restrictions and authority imposed on it from outside, and with the ability to go all the way on the basis of logic, propagating his view regardless of the difference between these (philosophical) views and what is customarily known, religious beliefs and the dictates of tradition, without being confronted or resisted or punished by any authority. In Aristotle’s view, the philosopher is of a higher status than a prophet, because the prophet understands things by means of imagination whereas the philosopher understands things by means of reason and contemplation. In their view, imagination is of a lower status than contemplation. Al-Faraabi agreed with Aristotle in viewing the philosopher as being of higher status than a prophet.

    In this sense philosophy is opposed to wisdom, which in Islamic terminology refers to the Sunnah as defined by the majority of muhadditheen and fuqaha’, and in the sense of judgement, knowledge and proficiency, alongside moral guidelines which control the whims and desires of the self and keep it from doing haraam things. The wise man is the one who has these characteristics, hence philosophy, as defined by the philosophers, is one of the most dangerous falsehoods and most vicious in fighting faith and religion on the basis of logic, which it is very easy to use to confuse people in the name of reason, interpretation and metaphor that distort the religious texts.

    Imam al-Shaafa’i said: The people did not become ignorant and begin to differ until they abandoned Arabic terminology and adopted the terminology of Aristotle. Even though philosophy existed in the ancient civilizations of Egypt, India and Persia, it became most famous in Greece and became synonymous with that land, the reason being that the Greek philosophers were interested in transmitting it from the legacy of idolatrous peoples and the remnants of the divinely-revealed religions, benefiting from the scriptures of Ibraaheem and Moosa (peace be upon them) after the Greek victory over the Hebrews after the captivity in Babylon, and benefiting from the religion of Luqmaan the Wise. So there was a mixture of views that confirmed the divinity and Lordship of the Creator that was contaminated with idolatry. Therefore the Greek philosophy was in some ways a revival more than an innovation.

    Ibn Abi’l-‘Izz, the commentator on al-Tahhaawiyyah, summed up the schools of philosophical thought about the five basic principles of religion in their view, as follows:

    That God does exist but He has no reality or essence, and He does not know the details of His creation, but He does know about its general terms, thus they denied that He creates the deeds of His slaves. They also did not believe in His Books, as in their view God does not speak or talk, and the Qur’aan is just something that shines from active reasons into purified human hearts. Exalted be Allaah far above what they ascribe to Him.  There is no separate entity that ascends or descends, rather in their view it is all ideas in the mind that do not exist in reality.  The philosophers are the one who most deny the Last Day and its events. In their view Paradise and Hell are no more than parables for the masses to understand, but they have no reality beyond people’s minds.  

    The Greek philosophers still have an impact on all western philosophies and ideologies, ancient and modern. Indeed, most of the Islamic kalaami groups were influenced by them. The terminology of Islamic philosophy did not emerge as a branch of knowledge that is taught in the curriculum of Islamic studies until it was introduced by Shaykh Mustafa ‘Abd al-Razzaaq – the Shaykh of al-Azhar – as a reaction to western attacks on Islam based on the idea that Islam has no philosophy. But the fact of the matter is that philosophy is an alien entity in the body of Islam. There is no philosophy in Islam and there are no philosophers among Muslims in this deviant sense. Rather in Islam there is certain knowledge and prominent scholars who examine matters. Among the most famous philosophers who were nominally Muslims were al-Kindi, al-Faraabi, Ibn Sina (Avicenna) and Ibn Rushd (Averroes). End quote.

    Secondly:

    The majority of fuqaha’ have stated that it is haraam to study philosophy. Among their comments on that are the following:

    1 – Ibn Nujaym (Hanafi) said in al-Ashbaah wa’l-Nazaa’im: Acquiring knowledge may be an individual obligation, which is as much as one needs for religious commitment to be sound; or it may be a communal obligation, which is in addition to the previous and is done for the benefit of others; or it may be recommended, which is studying fiqh and ‘ilm al-qalb (purification of the heart) in depth; or it may be haraam, which is learning philosophy, magic (sleight of hand), astrology, geomancy, natural science and witchcraft. End quote from al-Ashbaah wa’l-Nazaa’ir ma’a Sharhiha: Ghamaz ‘Ayoon al-Basaa’ir by al-Hamawi (4/125).

    2 – al-Dardeer (Maaliki) said in al-Sharh al-Kabeer, discussing the kind of knowledge which is a communal obligation: Such as studying sharee’ah, which is not an individual obligation, and which includes fiqh, tafseer, hadeeth and ‘aqeedah, and things that help with that such as (Arabic) grammar and literature, tafseer, mathematics and usool al-fiqh – not philosophy, astrology or ‘ilm al-kalaam, according to the most sound opinion.

    Al-Dasooqi said in his Haashiyah (2/174): His phrase “according to the most sound opinion” means that it is forbidden to read the books of al-Baaji, Ibn al-‘Arabi and ‘Iyaad, unlike the one who says that it is essential to learn it in order to understand ‘aqeedah and basic religious issues. But al-Ghazaali said that the one who has knowledge of ‘ilm al-kalaam knows nothing of religious beliefs except the beliefs that the common people share, but they are distinguished by their ability to argue and debate.

    3 – Zakariya al-Ansaari (Shaafa’i) said in Asna al-Mataalib (4/182): As for learning philosophy, magic (sleight of hand), astrology, geomancy, natural science and witchcraft, it is haraam. End quote.

    4 – al-Bahooti (Hanbali) said in Kashshaaf al-Qinaa’ (3/34): The opposite of shar’i knowledge is knowledge that is haraam or makrooh. Haraam knowledge is like ‘ilm al-kalaam in which they argue on the basis of pure reason or speak in a manner that contradicts sound, unambiguous reports. If they speak on the basis of reports only or on the basis of texts and rational thought that is in accordance with them, then this is the basis of religion and the way of ahl al-sunnah. This is what is meant by the words of Shaykh Taqiy al-Deen. In his commentary he explains that even better. [Haraam knowledge also includes] philosophy, magic (sleight of hand), astrology and geomancy, as well as alchemy and natural sciences. End quote.  

    It should be noted that an exception from this prohibition is made for those who study it as a speciality in order to explain its deviations and refute the falsehoods that they stir up.

    Thirdly:

    If studying philosophy is compulsory, then you must beware of believing in any of its falsehoods or admiring its people. You should strive hard to acquire shar’i knowledge, especially that which has to do with ‘aqeedah (belief), so that you will develop immunity and resistance to specious arguments.

    We ask Allaah to help and guide you.

    And Allaah knows best.



    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #4 - December 27, 2010, 09:40 PM

    On the authority of Al-Hasan bin Ali, the grandson of the messenger of Allah, who said : I memorized from the messenger of Allah his saying :

    "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt."


    narrated by Termithi and Nasaee, and Tirmithi.



    Religion makes me doubt and science does not. lol That is a good hadith to use against Al-qeada sheep shaggers.

    Through Logic, truth can be ascertained.
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #5 - December 27, 2010, 10:51 PM

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    these are permissible as stated above, and there is no reason why they should not be studied unless there is the fear that one may overstep the mark and indulge in forbidden branches of knowledge


    I don't know why but this made me crack up, as if there are some kinds of knowledge that can be bad in and of themselves.  Oh well, there goes my studies in necromancy and alchemy. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #6 - December 27, 2010, 11:13 PM

    Perhaps he was making the extremely profound point that philosophy is useless when studied, philosophy, rather, should be lived.  cool2



    lol

    re OP - the Salafis would say it's Haram - but they say most things are haram. Most Muslims would not - and there were many great Muslim philosophers.
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #7 - December 28, 2010, 01:01 AM


    lol

    re OP - the Salafis would say it's Haram - but they say most things are haram. Most Muslims would not - and there were many great Muslim philosophers.


    Interesting what you said Hassan. My cousin is a Salafi
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #8 - December 28, 2010, 01:05 AM

    If so, does anyone know where does this say in the Quran or Hadiths?

    Couple years ago, I was in the car with my one of cousins who is a very religious Muslim. I told him about my philosophy class i was taking, and he told me that it was Haraam in Islam to take Philosophy.

    I mean it makes perfect sense for it to be. Why would Islam want anyone thinking rationally, it needs to people to mentally retarded and within the grips of its complete brainwashing tactics


    i dont know, but it should be haram.

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #9 - December 28, 2010, 01:06 AM


    lol

    re OP - the Salafis would say it's Haram - but they say most things are haram. Most Muslims would not - and there were many great Muslim philosophers.


    But surely Muslim philosophers are not real philosophers if they are constrained from asking certain questions about morality and god? I mean, are these philosophers not just trying to fit what they already believe?
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #10 - December 28, 2010, 02:36 AM

    If I were to play devil's advocate eliphaz, I'd say that everyone first has a vision of what they believe and then finds a conceptual scheme to couch it all in. No philosophers are innocent of their own desires.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #11 - December 28, 2010, 10:13 AM

    "Religion ends and philosophy begins, just as alchemy ends and chemistry begins, and astrology ends and astronomy begins."
    ~ Hitchens

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #12 - December 28, 2010, 11:52 AM

    But surely Muslim philosophers are not real philosophers if they are constrained from asking certain questions about morality and god? I mean, are these philosophers not just trying to fit what they already believe?


    At their height the Muslim philosophers did not avoid any question including the existence of god. They translated and elaborated on the works of Plato Aristotle and other classical Greek thinkers. In fact Aristotle was called al-Mu'allim al-Awal (The first teacher) by them.

    Of course they clashed with the clergy and the orthodox and were accused of heresy and apostacy, which in some cases was quite literally true, though most tried to defend their views within Islam - and the Kalam argument (in defence of the existence of a God) grew out of the writings of the philosophers.

  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #13 - December 28, 2010, 12:00 PM

    islamic and christian philosophy are basically the apologetic way of filling tho holes in the body of theology... it is not real philosophy as in deconstructing everything....

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #14 - December 28, 2010, 12:42 PM

    I took Philosophy class when I was forum, and it isn't haram. In Islam seeking knowledge is obligatory, and I bet you someone else told your cousin it was. If there is no proof in the qua'ran stating that it is or a haddith then it would be fine. A lot of Muslims think a lot of things that aren't really haram are haram. Muslims shouldn't go by what other say, but they should turn to the books, and follow what they say. What I don't get is that there is stuff that is in the haddith that isn't in the qua'ran and you're supposed to follow the haddiths too. The Qua'ran is their HOLY BOOK, and The Haddiths are recordings and sayings of their prophet. My point is that it's not forbidden, and I never heard such a thing as a Muslim.
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #15 - December 28, 2010, 12:49 PM

    The human authors of Islam painted themselves into a corner by proclaiming the Qur’an to be no less than the Final Testament from the Abrahamic desert god, and that Mohammed was the seal prophet, to confirm, correct, complete and give closure to the prophesies that came before. Its an incredibly arrogant and short-sighted thing to do, but quite understandable when you take into account the apocalyptic doomsayer culture it was born from, authored by those who thought the word would end ages ago, perhaps even in their own lifetime. And of course, it didn’t end. And so, the supposed measure of divine wisdom revealed in the Qur'an uncannily resembles the blissfully ignorant views of the men of that time.

    They essentially tied their own hands and trapped all future Muslims in a rigid spiritual prison, with only limited and restricted source material to draw upon, which itself is apparently perfect and irrefutable. Hence why so many Muslim careers have been made on pseudo-philosophy, trying to find or manufacture hidden meanings behind drained, worn-out lines of text that have not aged well, and we end up with the so-called miracles of the Qur’an and various strained numerological attempts and desperate pattern seeking. Its all so forced and contrived - a sad and pitiful attempt to keep the Qur’an relevant in a world that’s already moved on.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Is the study of Philosophy Haraam in Islam?
     Reply #16 - December 28, 2010, 02:32 PM

    From islamonline.net
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546592

    Quote
    Name of Questioner
     Amri   - Indonesia
     
     Title
     Islamic View of Studying Philosophy
     
     Question
     As-salamu `alaykum. I want to know the Islamic view of studying philosophy. Is there any Islamic reservation against studying philosophy?
     
     Date
     26/Feb/2003
     
     Topic
     Morals & Values
     
     
     Answer
       
     
    Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Dear questioner, we are greatly pleased to receive your question, which shows the confidence you place in us. May Allah reward you abundantly for your interest in knowing the teachings of Islam!

    In fact, there is no Islamic reservation against seeking useful knowledge in all fields. Learning itself is considered a form of jihad as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, Whoever goes out to seek knowledge, he is in the path of Allah until he returns. He further said, All of Allahs creatures implore Allah for forgiveness on behalf of a seeker of knowledgeincluding fish in the water.

    To furnish you with an answer to your question, we would like to cite for you the following fatwa issued by Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, in which he states the following:

    "In Islam, there is nothing wrong in studying philosophy as well as different philosophical branches as long as the aim of the study is to make the person well acquainted with the philosophical ideas and allow him to compare them with religion.

    In this regard, if philosophy or the philosophical topics go in harmony with the teachings of Islam, then there is nothing wrong in studying them, and the issue is religiously accepted, but not the opposite.
    If a certain branch of philosophy is to be rejected because of its contradiction with the teachings of Islam, then those who reject it should mention the reason behind the rejection.

    Here, I would like to stress that many books were compiled to refute different creeds that run counter to the teachings of Islam, and Muslim scholars discussed such creeds objectively and refuted their falsified ideas about Islam in light of sound religious reasoning and understanding. The responses and refutations to false philosophical ideas done by Imam Al-Ghazali in his well known book Ihya Ulum-ad-Deen is a clear example in this regard.

    The Quran mentions the false creeds of the polytheists, those who deny the Existence of Allah, and those who deny the Resurrection and the Day of Judgment. In this regard, the Quran itself refutes those false creeds with clear evidence.

    Having stated the above, I would like to stress here that studying philosophy by the one who has no ability to discern what is right and what is wrong, especially in religious matters, constitutes a great harm.

    In conclusion, the one who has the ability to differentiate between what is right and what is wrong in religious matters is permitted to study philosophy with its different branches as long as his Islamic creed remains intact and rock-solid.

    Having said this, I would like to add that some of the scholastic topics that are taught in different educational stages do disseminate certain philosophical ideas without clarifying whether those ideas are right or wrong according to Islam. With this, they leave the Muslim mind of the layman baffled and confused. Unfortunately, those who study such ideas consider that they are taken for granted and they are uncontestable. They dont know that such ideas and opinions might contradict the teachings of Islam and violate its high morals."

    If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to write back!

    May Allah guide you to the straight path, and guide you to that which pleases Him, Amen.

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