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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #240 - January 08, 2011, 04:45 PM


    Get out, be safe, so you can come back to fight at a later date Sherry Rahman.


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #241 - January 08, 2011, 04:46 PM

    Nuking Pakistan would affect China, Russia would also be affected if Iran is nuked, for some reason I don't think they'd like that and would want to retaliate before you know its not only the ME and Indian subcontinent that's being nuked. So the chances of Exxon and Haliburton stepping in are zilch.

    Possibly.

    What does it tell you though - if you look at the big picture?
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #242 - January 08, 2011, 05:57 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTANZusPICU


    Another Rogue who with Pot belly  devours beef every day  puts on more weight than needed to his animal shaped body  shouts into microphone with some 100 are so good for nothing jobless/work less worthless buffoons with beards

    And this scoundrel says "Every one in Pakistan is Kaffir"

    And these rogues create killers that have nothing to do in life and no where to go..

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #243 - January 09, 2011, 09:32 AM

    The killer of my father, Salman Taseer, was showered with rose petals by fanatics. How could they do this?'  asks  Aatish Taseer



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    A 26-year-old boy, with a beard, a forehead calloused from prayer, and the serene expression of a man assured of some higher reward. Last Tuesday, this boy, hardly older than my youngest brother whose 25th birthday it was that day, shot to death my father, the governor of Punjab, in a market in Islamabad.

    ................................

    my father would not only have not recognised his assassins, he would not have recognised the country that produced a boy like that. Pakistan was part of his faith, and one of the reasons for the differences that arose between us in the last years of his life–and there were many–was that this faith never allowed him to accept what had become of the country his forefathers had fought for.

    ..............................
    My father was angry as a Muslim, though he was not a practising man of faith, and as a Pakistani; he accused me of blackening the Taseer name by bringing disrepute to a family of patriots. The letter and the new silence that arose between us prompted a book, Stranger to History, in which I discussed openly many things about my father's religion, Pakistan and my parents' relationship. Its publication freakishly coincided –though he might well have been offended even as a private citizen by what I wrote – with my father's return to politics, after a hiatus of nearly 15 years. ..


    Already, even before his body is cold, those same men of faith in Pakistan have banned good Muslims from mourning my father; clerics refused to perform his last rites; and the armoured vehicle conveying his assassin to the courthouse was mobbed with cheering crowds and showered with rose petals.

    I should say too that on Friday every mosque in the country condoned the killer's actions; 2,500 lawyers came forward to take on his defence for free; and the Chief Minister of Punjab, who did not attend the funeral, is yet to offer his condolences in person to my family who sit besieged in their house in Lahore.

    And so, though I believe, as deeply as I have ever believed anything, that my father joins that sad procession of martyrs – every day a thinner line – standing between him and his country's descent into fear and nihilism, I also know that unless Pakistan finds a way to turn its back on Islam in the public sphere, the memory of the late governor of Punjab will fade.

    And where one day there might have been a street named after him, there will be one named after Malik Mumtaz Qadir, my father's boy-assassin.

    that picture speaks it all


    read it all at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8248162/The-killer-of-my-father-Salman-Taseer-was-showered-with-rose-petals-by-fanatics.-How-could-they-do-this.html

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #244 - January 09, 2011, 11:19 AM

    a well articulated article by his poor deserted son, another estranged product of Islam

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #245 - January 09, 2011, 11:38 AM

    a well articulated article by his poor deserted son, another estranged product of Islam

    IsLame ,  who is estranged product of Islam  Father or father less son??

    Now read the Daughter "My Father Died for Pakistan" By SHEHRBANO TASEER

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/opinion/09taseer.html?src=twrhp

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #246 - January 09, 2011, 12:37 PM

    My Father Died for PakistanBy SHEHRBANO TASEER
    Published: January 8, 2011
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    TWENTY-SEVEN. That’s the number of bullets a police guard fired into my father before surrendering himself with a sinister smile to the policemen around him. Salmaan Taseer, governor of Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province, was assassinated on Tuesday — my brother Shehryar’s 25th birthday — outside a market near our family home in Islamabad.

    The guard accused of the killing, Mumtaz Qadri, was assigned that morning to protect my father while he was in the federal capital. According to officials, around 4:15 p.m., as my father was about to step into his car after lunch, Mr. Qadri opened fire.

    Mr. Qadri and his supporters may have felled a great oak that day, but they are sadly mistaken if they think they have succeeded in silencing my father’s voice or the voices of millions like him who believe in the secular vision of Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

    My father’s life was one of struggle. He was a self-made man, who made and lost and remade his fortune. He was among the first members of the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party when it was founded by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in the late 1960s. He was an intellectual, a newspaper publisher and a writer; he was jailed and tortured for his belief in democracy and freedom. The vile dictatorship of Gen. Mohammad Zia ul-Haq did not take kindly to his pamphleteering for the restoration of democracy.

    One particularly brutal imprisonment was in a dungeon at Lahore Fort, this city’s Mughal-era citadel. My father was held in solitary confinement for months and was slipped a single meal of half a plate of stewed lentils each day. They told my mother, in her early 20s at the time, that he was dead. She never believed that.

    Determined, she made friends with the kind man who used to sweep my father’s cell and asked him to pass a note to her husband. My father later told me he swallowed the note, fearing for the sweeper’s life. He scribbled back a reassuring message to my mother: “I’m not made from a wood that burns easily.” That is the kind of man my father was. He could not be broken.

    He often quoted verse by his uncle Faiz Ahmed Faiz, one of Urdu’s greatest poets. “Even if you’ve got shackles on your feet, go. Be fearless and walk. Stand for your cause even if you are martyred,” wrote Faiz. Especially as governor, my father was the first to speak up and stand beside those who had suffered, from the thousands of people displaced by the Kashmir earthquake in 2005 to the family of two teenage brothers who were lynched by a mob last August in Sialkot after a dispute at a cricket match.

    After 86 members of the Ahmadi sect, considered blasphemous by fundamentalists, were murdered in attacks on two of their mosques in Lahore last May, to the great displeasure of the religious right my father visited the survivors in the hospital. When the floods devastated Pakistan last summer, he was on the go, rallying businessmen for aid, consoling the homeless and building shelters.

    My father believed that the strict blasphemy laws instituted by General Zia have been frequently misused and ought to be changed. His views were widely misrepresented to give the false impression that he had spoken against Prophet Mohammad. This was untrue, and a criminal abdication of responsibility by his critics, who must now think about what they have caused to happen. According to the authorities, my father’s stand on the blasphemy law was what drove Mr. Qadri to kill him.

    There are those who say my father’s death was the final nail in the coffin for a tolerant Pakistan. That Pakistan’s liberal voices will now be silenced. But we buried a heroic man, not the courage he inspired in others. This week two leading conservative politicians — former Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and the cricket-star-turned-politician Imran Khan — have taken the same position my father held on the blasphemy laws: they want amendments to prevent misuse.

    To say that there was a security lapse on Tuesday is an understatement. My father was brutally gunned down by a man hired to protect him. Juvenal once asked, “Who will guard the guards themselves?” It is a question all Pakistanis should ask themselves today: If the extremists could get to the governor of the largest province, is anyone safe?

    It may sound odd, but I can’t imagine my father dying in any other way. Everything he had, he invested in Pakistan, giving livelihoods to tens of thousands, improving the economy. My father believed in our country’s potential. He lived and died for Pakistan. To honor his memory, those who share that belief in Pakistan’s future must not stay silent about injustice. We must never be afraid of our enemies. We must never let them win.


    Shehrbano Taseer is a reporter with Newsweek Pakistan.



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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #247 - January 09, 2011, 12:43 PM

    Islamists plan Million Man march in support of Pakistan's blasphemy laws  says news

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    Arrangements are in full swing for ‘Tahfuz Namoos-e-Rislat March’, to be held in Karachi on January 9 to denounce “conspiracies” to repeal Pakistan's Islamic blasphemy laws.

    Leaders of Tehreek Namoos-e-Rislat met with citizens, traders, transporters and people belonging to various walks of life in different parts of city and distributed handbills and pamphlets, said a Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) release on January 7.

    Thousands of banners have been displayed across the city while millions of handbills distributed among citizens for mustering their support to the march, dubbed as a ‘million march’....

    The rally would be addressed by Chief JI Pakistan Syed Munawar Hasan, Amir JUI-F Maulana Fazal-u-Rehman, Chief JUP Dr. Abul Khair Mohammed Zubair, Amir Jamaat-u-Dawat Hafiz Saeed and other leaders.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIRD6Z6kg5g


    You can see some those Baboons in this video..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #248 - January 09, 2011, 12:52 PM


    Mullah Justifying Acts of Blasphemy by Pakistani Authorities 


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDlH09Inx2E

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #249 - January 09, 2011, 02:25 PM

    They're having to paint over the kalima on Amhmediyya mosques in order to suppress minorities.  Its good to see Islam implode in Pakistan  dance

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #250 - January 09, 2011, 04:58 PM

    KARACHI: More than 40,000 people rallied in Pakistan's southern city of Karachi on Sunday, police said, against the controversial reform of a Blasphemy Law (BL) that was behind the killing of a senior politician.

    Religious groups blocked a main thoroughfare in Karachi's teeming metropolis holding banners in support of the police commando who shot dead Punjab governor Salman Taseer on Tuesday over his views in favour of the law's amendment.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=9040

    I was watching the protests earlier on tv, they really are a bunch of fuckin nutters!
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #251 - January 09, 2011, 06:08 PM



    I was watching the protests earlier on tv, they really are a bunch of fuckin nutters!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuImCj4ghp8

    what? Aphro writes from Karachi?? So did you see Imran Khan speaking  from Kracahi?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83qPLCmBPo

    well here are my good friends..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4seStVpVeJM


    I want sharp Razors and 1000 barbers in each town of Pakistan..


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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #252 - January 09, 2011, 06:24 PM

    I want sharp Razors and 1000 barbers in each town of Pakistan..

    Bad idea... Very bad.

    http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/pakistan/18035/

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #253 - January 09, 2011, 06:40 PM


    what? Aphro writes from Karachi?? So did you see Imran Khan speaking  from Kracahi?


    Lol no, we get ARY news on Sky tv  Smiley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #254 - January 09, 2011, 06:56 PM

    They believe ' FEAR IS THE KEY' for everything. if they have disagreements with the law of the land , their will shall prevail and is the ultimate arbitrator.Rivers of blood of the blaspheming kafirs shall flow in the land of the pure.The state shall be held responsible for the wide spread violence!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #255 - January 09, 2011, 11:36 PM

    They believe ' FEAR IS THE KEY' for everything.  



    if 40,000 or so Baboons hold 160 million people hostage to this fucking laws made by these Feudal rogue politician in collision religious baboons means    there is something fundamentally wrong in the society. It is nothing worse than THUGS holding innocents at their gun point that too being very minority.

    The first thing Govt  should have done is Arrest these Bigger Baboons Just 20 of them,.. rest will fall in line  and go for re-elections immediately after the murder of Taseer Salman.,  Zaradari is stupid guy ., if Benazir Bhutto was alive and in charge of that party, she would have dissolved the govt and go for elcetion send these Baboons far away from Govt buildings and that goes for Nawaz Sahriff a clean shaved Taliban..

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #256 - January 10, 2011, 01:06 AM

    I wonder if you could help in a discussion I'm having in which the other person says that there is no way that Islamic texts could be used to justify the killing of Taseer. Specifically, he has quoted:

    "If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him." [The Qur'an:: Surah An Nisa: verse 93]

    I know very little of the Qur'an and hadith and would like to know what verses in there may be being used by those:

    a) supporting the blasphemy law and justifying the death of blasphemers,
    b) justifying the killing of a defender of a perceived blasphemer

    I am being a little lazy here, but what would take me a night to achieve I'm sure many of you could find very quickly. Your help much appreciated and all for a good cause!
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #257 - January 10, 2011, 01:20 AM

    Many islamists use verses like 5:44 to declare politicians and rulers in muslim countries as kafir coz the end (not all) of that verse says

    "Whoever does not legislate by what Allah has revealed they are the disbelievers" (5:44)

    So basically they're thought of as believers rather murtads (apostates) polytheists for supporting laws that are thought to be unislamic etc.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #258 - January 10, 2011, 01:24 AM

    Thanks Aphrodite, that is really helpful. Any other verses that could be used to brand someone a non-believer / potentially justify their killing?
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #259 - January 10, 2011, 01:29 AM

    Hmmm yeah (I know a few islamists  Wink )

    "O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for auliyah (protectors/allies does NOT mean friends) they are auliyah of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for auliyah, then surely he is one of them (ie and apostate) surely Allah does not guide the unjust people"
    (5:51)

    As I'm sure you know the Pakistani state has taken the 'christians' (the US) as an ally thus is considered an unislamic state and why the pak army is called the napak (impure) army.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #260 - January 10, 2011, 01:53 AM

    I know very little of the Qur'an and hadith and would like to know what verses in there may be being used by those:

    a) supporting the blasphemy law and justifying the death of blasphemers,
    b) justifying the killing of a defender of a perceived blasphemer



    Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.
    And those who malign believing men and believing women undeservedly, they bear the guilt of slander and manifest sin.
    O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
    If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while.
    Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.
    ~ 33:57-61

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #261 - January 10, 2011, 02:20 AM

     :

    a) supporting the blasphemy law and justifying the death of blasphemers,
    b) justifying the killing of a defender of a perceived blasphemer
     

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    Pakistan's Blasphemy Law-A  

    1.0 Synopsis

    The objective of this thesis is to explore various aspects of Section 295C of Pakistan Penal Code, which is popularly (or notoriously) known as Blasphemy Law, through a (student) jurist's perspective. It is not author's intention to make a political statement rather it is an effort to give an impetus to the readers for a debate. The law will be examined in the light of Qura'n and Sunnah and various principles of Islamic law as well as universally accepted rules of jurisprudence. This discussion encompasses, both, the argument in favor and the counter argument. The thesis is in three parts; first part covers, a brief history of the law, the statement of the Law, and a note on procedure of analysis that we will follow. In the second part we will analyze the synthesis of this law through both canonical as well as secular argument and the third part covers the counter-argument. The arguments in the thesis refer to the footnotes and references that are provided at the end.

    1.1 Brief History:

    In the subcontinent, the laws on the offences of blasphemy and apostasy had been in practice during the Moghul era as confirmed by the edicts in the Fatawa-e-Alamgiri and various books prior to that. The British repealed the laws in 1860 to facilitate the work of Christian missionaries who came along with them. [Ref: 1]

    In Pakistan, the need to re-enact this law arose in 1982-83 when a lawyer named Mushtaq Raj authored a book titled Heavenly Communism, in Lahore and distributed it free of cost at a large scale. This book contained insulting remarks about, Allah, the Holy Prophet (pbuh), other messengers, religious scholars and several religions; which infuriated the Muslims and they took to streets. The World Association of Pakistan Muslims Jurists called an emergency meeting and adopted a resolution against the book and its author. A meeting of the Lahore High Court Bar Association, which was attended by more than five hundred members, unanimously scrapped the membership of Mushtaq Raj. A report with the Anarkali police was registered against Raj on the charge of humiliating religion. [Ref: 1]

    The police registered a case under section 295-A, Pakistan Penal Code. At the time there was no punishment in the penal code against a heinous crime like blasphemy. Then religious and political leaders belonging to all schools of thought moved the Federal Shariat Court on July 18, 1983. The court admitted the petition for hearing and issued notices to the attorney general of Pakistan and advocate generals of all the provinces. Religious scholars hailing from all schools of thought appeared before the full bench of the court and produced their oral as well as written arguments before it. After hearing the federal government and the citizens, the court reserved its decision on the petition. [Ref: 1]

    In the meantime, another prominent lawyer and human rights activist, Asma Jahangir, uttered insulting remarks for the Prophet (pbuh) at a seminar in Islamabad. The audiences protested and demanded that the advocate withdraw her words and apologize. Asma's rejection of demands resulted in a pandemonium. When the national Press published the news the next day it provoked the people to come on roads and protest over the incident. The people started demanding enforcement of Hadd (punishment) for blasphemy. The late MNA Mohtarma Nisar Fatima presented a bill in the National Assembly suggesting death for blasphemy against prophet-hood. After long arguments the bill was unanimously adopted by the Parliament on October 2, 1986, and clause 295-C was added to the Pakistan Penal Code. The 1986 version of law prescribed the punishment of death with life term as its alternative. Lawyers and religious scholars again launched a movement and argued that for blasphemy accused deserved only death sentence in Islam (see Counter-Argument #5). After three years of deliberation, the Federal Shari'at Court announced its verdict on October 30, 1990, which stipulates only death penalty for the offence of blasphemy. [Ref: 1]

    1.2 The Law:

    The Penal Code's section 295C, reads: "Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo or insinuation, directly or indirectly defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Mohammed—Peace be upon him—shall be punished with death and shall also be liable to a fine."

    1.3 Procedure of Analysis

    A penal offence, by definition, is one, which is prosecutable by state; as compared to civil law in which state acts only as a mediator between two litigants. The statement of any penal law has two components to it:

    (i) The statement of offence

    (ii) The statement of penalty.

    In order to examine a penal law and validate it against certain principles of jurisprudence we come across three possibilities:

    a. The statement of offence is valid AND the statement of penalty is also valid.

    b. The statement of offence is valid BUT the statement of penalty is NOT valid.

    c. The statement of offence is NOT valid.

    In the third case, if we prove that the statement of offence is not valid then we do not have to prove the validity of penalty because there cannot be a penalty in case of an invalid or non-existent law.


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #262 - January 10, 2011, 02:21 AM

    Pakistan's Blasphemy Law-B  


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    2.0 THE RATIONALE IN FAVOR OF BLASPHEMY LAW

    2.1 Argument# 1: The Precedence

    It is a universally accepted principle of jurisprudence that a law enacted by a person or entity of authority can only be repealed or changed by a person or entity that has equivalent or higher powers than that of the person who enacted the law in the first place. This principle is applicable everywhere in our daily lives. For example a disciplinary instruction given by a professor in his class to his students can only be over-ruled by a vice chancellor of the university or an entity that has authority equal to or greater than that of the professor. But a student or a lecturer cannot change it. Similarly, in the matters of governance the legislature or the President have the authority to change an executive order issued by President. This principle of jurisprudence applies equally to the canonical laws as well and has far reaching effects. Hence an order given by God can only be changed by God Himself and not by any other entity. Similarly a Prophet may enact a law on his own prerogative, based on his own Ijtehad (logical reasoning), in the absence of a revelation, and as long as God does not change his law, no one else has an authority to change it unless there is another Prophet who may come and change that law. [Ref: 2]

    One must understand that the Islamic law did not descend upon us in just one day; rather it was revealed to us gradually and it took 23 years to complete the message. So a question arises, naturally, as to what was the Islamic law during that interim period. Based on the evidence from Qura'n and history of the Prophet's time we can say with certainty that whatever was the tradition, or custom or law of the Meccan or Medinite societies became the Islamic law, initially. For example, the prohibition of liquor came years after Prophet's migration and some of his companions are known to have imbibed before prohibition. [Ref: 2]

    Keeping the above discussion in mind, please refer to the Qura'nic verses Al-Anaam (Cattle) 6:83-90, in which after mentioning the names of approximately 20 prophets and messengers Allah states that "……..these are they whom Allah guided, therefore follow their guidance. Say: I do not ask you for any reward for it; it is nothing but a reminder to the nations." [Ref: 6; tr:Yousafali]

    This is an extremely important verse and early jurists in their books on jurisprudence refer to it extensively as "Shara-e-Qable-na" meaning, the law of the previous people (prophets) [Ref; 2]. Through this verse we get an important guiding principle i.e. if the authenticity of previous books (Psalm, Torah and Bible) is confirmed, and neither God nor his Prophet (pbuh) has instructed us otherwise the law stated in those books is our law. We have an obligation to follow it, because of verse 6:90.

    Now let's see what was the law of the previous people, i.e. Jews and Christians regarding blasphemy. We find out that both Old Testament and the New Testament explicitly stipulated capital punishment for blasphemy. It is evident through several books and several verses, which cross-refer with each other [Ref: 4]. For example:

    Leviticus 24:16 states: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death." The verse cross refers with New Testament: Matt 26:66, John 19:7 .

    Acts 6:8 & 7:60 Stephen, a Christian, was found guilty of blasphemy and stoned to death.

    It is interesting to note that Jesus (pbuh), himself, was crucified because of his "crime" of blasphemy under Jewish law. See King James Bible; Matt 26:65-67 "Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death. Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands"

    Also keep in mind that in earlier books the punishment for apostasy is prescribed as death, as well. [Ref: 5]

    The discussion so far, establishes that there is “precedence” for the penal aspect of blasphemy. Please bear in mind that "precedence" is a universally accepted rule/practice of jurisprudence, where jurists look for previous laws and regulations to form new ones. [see Ref: 3 for basic principles of Islamic Jurisprudence]

    2.2 Argument# 2: Estehsan i.e. the Logical Equivalence

    If we further this discussion we come across another principle of Islamic (and Secular) jurisprudence, which is called Estehsan, translated as 'Logical Equivalence'. It can be explained by an example: In Islamic law the punishment for theft is the Hudd (penalty prescribed by Almighty Himself) of amputation of a hand (limb) of the perpetrator. If we look at this crime closely, we find out that this human behavior is not black and white; there are several gray areas. For example, the statement of penalty of this penal law is specific about the penalty of amputation of a limb but the statement of offence is not clear about what specifically is theft. Should we amputate the hand of a robber who enters into a house by force, holds people in the house hostage on gun point, assaults them and then takes away all their possessions; is the crime of a person who just sneaks into someone's house while the people of the household were asleep and steals their valuables, equivalent; or a person who is hungry for the past two days and steals a loaf of bread just to satiate his appetite, is he as much culpable as the former two? What about the wife who helps herself every now and then with husband's wallet? Should their punishment be one and only i.e. amputation? What about coffin thieves or computer hackers; there is nothing specifically written in Qura'n about them either.

    From the above discussion we can infer three ideas:

    1. The concept that there are various degrees of severity of an offence, which may be categorized as a felony or a misdemeanor. The secular and common law jurisprudence also recognize that.

    2. The second concept that we learn here is that for a jurist it is absolutely necessary to delve deeper into a certain human behavior i.e. he must philosophize this behavior to postulate the statements of offence and prescribe punishment.

    3. The concept of Estehsan (the Logical Equivalence) gives us an important tool to formulate new laws, as the human society progresses and faced with new predicaments.

    Qiyas (Hypothesis and Postulation) is an important element of Islamic as well as secular jurisprudence, which helps in the process of Estehsan [Ref: 3]

    Keeping the above discussion in mind now we shall examine the Blasphemy Law in the Islamic jurisprudence. The Muslim jurists of all Sunni & Shiite schools of thought have argued since the earliest times, that blasphemy is a prosecutable offence and prescribed capital punishment for it. Their argument is based on the precedence from "Law of the Previous Books". They also equate blasphemy with apostasy through logical equivalence. It is logical, because a person who commits an act of blasphemy, in fact renounces his religion, thus he is an apostate. But the severity of the offence of blasphemy exceeds apostasy in the sense that it is not only an offence against Almighty and his Prophet but a crime against society as well. An apostate may quietly change his religion but blasphemy indicates the malicious intent of the perpetrator towards society. It is not difficult from the following two verses to see how the capital punishment for apostasy was derived. Allah commands his Apostle (pbuh) in surah Al-Nisa (The Women) 4:88-89

    “Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks". [Ref: 6; tr: Yousafali]

    The background [Ref: 7] of these two verses is that there was a group of hypocrites (people who with their tongues used to say that they were Muslims but their hearts were somewhere else; and in fact they tried everything possible to harm Muslims) who refused to go on a Jihad expedition. The true companions of Prophet (pbuh) were divided on the issue of as to how to deal with them. One group stressed that those hypocrites should be killed, whereas other group was of the opinion that they be spared. The Qura'n then guided the Prophet through these two verses and explained that the call for Jihad is a litmus test to identify the hypocrites among his group. These are the people who accepted Islam on their own accord but at the time of test and tribulation they reverted away from Islam.

    Further in verse 4:91 Allah says "Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them." [Ref: 6; tr:Yousafali]

    But not just the call for Jihad is the litmus test, when these people openly renege and renounce faith, but Qura'n further elaborates on the behavior of these people in the time of peace. The background of verse 4:91 is as follows: there were some people in Medina who belonged to the tribes of Assad & Azzan who apparently accepted Islam at the hand of Prophet but when these people used to go back to their own tribes and their people used to ask them as to what was their faith, they used to say that they have their faith in monkeys and scorpions. Their purpose was to keep their espousal on both sides. [Ref: 7]

    When we philosophize and infer the basic principles from these two verses (4:88-91), it is not hard to conclude that the punishment for apostasy is death and we can deduce that blasphemy, which is more aggressive form of apostasy, bears the same punishment.

    2.3 Argument #3: Philosophical Base I: Reverence of Prophet (pbuh) is an Essential Part of Faith (Qura'n)

    When a person insults another person he in fact violates his victim’s sanctity as a human being; it is then up to the victim either to forgive, ignore or to seek retribution. Similarly, when a person blasphemes a Prophet, it is Prophet's prerogative whether to forgive, ignore or seek retribution. But a Prophet is not an ordinary human being. He is a messenger whose words and actions, when he specifies, is the voice of Almighty and become a law for his followers. Moreover there is a special connection, a bond of love, respect, and discipline that binds his followers to him. So when a blasphemer insults a Prophet, not only he violates the sanctity of Prophet but that of his followers as human beings, as well. Thus an act of blasphemy is an offence not only against the Prophet but the society as well. And when a Prophet passes away he cannot forgive, ignore or avenge the offences committed against his sanctity. But the followers can establish measures to at least discourage such behavior. Since different individuals of a society retaliate differently to the same offence, therefore, an explicitly stated law is required to respond to such offences in a uniform fashion, so that it expresses unanimous outlook of the society. As we know that the act of blasphemy is a repugnant behavior, which might create unrest in the society, and society may act in excess towards the perpetrator, hence a law is required. The following verses provide the philosophical base for the blasphemy law by insisting that the reverence of Prophet is an essential part of faith. Therefore when a person blasphemes he actually renounces his faith and hence the penalty of apostasy may be invoked. We can see from the following verses that Qura'n is explicitly insistent upon Muslims to manifest reverence to the Prophet; it is adamant about respecting his decisions; it commands to help him; and it forbids raising voice in front of him. Obeying and respecting Prophet is equated to having strong faith whereas divine retribution is promised for those who disobey and disrespect Allah's Apostle [Ref: 7].

    4:65 Al-Nissa (Women):"But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction." [Ref: 6; tr: Yousafali]

    This important subject is reiterated in the following verses: Al-Fath (Victory) 48.09; Al-Maeda (the table spread) 5:12; Al-Anfaal (Booty) 8:24; Al-Araaf (The Heights) 7:157; Al-Ahzaab (The Coalition); Al-Hujrat (The Private Quarters) 49:1 & 2

    2.4 Argument# 4: Philosophical Base II: Disrespect of Prophet Equals Repudiation of Faith (Qura'n)

    This argument like argument # 3 also provides the philosophical base to the penal aspect of blasphemy law but with a slight difference. The previous argument was based on the verses that specifically commanded Muslims to obey and respect Prophet (pbuh) whereas this argument is based on the verses, which equate the disobedience and disrespect of Prophet to the repudiation of faith [Ref: 7]. For example, Allah says in verse 2:104 Al-Baqra (The Cow) "O ye of Faith! Say not (to the Messenger) words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to him): To those without Faith is a grievous punishment." [Ref: 6; tr:Yousafali]

    At another place in verse 33:57 Al-Ahzaab (The Coalition), Allah (swt) says: " Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment." [Ref: 6; tr: Yousafali]

    The same subject is re-iterated at several places: Al-Tawba (Repentence)9:61, 65, 66; Al-Noor (The Light) 24:62; Al-Hujrat(The Private Quarters) 49:2.

    [Ref: 7; also see Ref: 6 for actual text of these verses].

    2.5 Argument# 5: Validity of Law through Ahadith (Traditions)

    There are more than one traditions (Ahadith) of the Prophet (pbuh) that tell us that the punishment for both apostasy and blasphemy is death. Both Sunni and Shi'a schools of thought seek guidance from the following tradition [Ref: 8] of Holy Prophet (pbuh) where he is reported to have said that: "Whoever changes his Religion, kill him."

    There are several other Traditions [Ref: 9] where Holy Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have imparted capital punishment for both apostasy and blasphemy.



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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #263 - January 10, 2011, 02:25 AM

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    2.6 Argument# 6: Validity of Law for Non-Muslims

    It is clear from the blasphemy-equals-apostasy argument, presented above that for Muslims both offences may bear a maximum penalty of capital punishment. Now a question arises as to what happens if the perpetrator of blasphemy is a non-Muslim. In this case, Muslim jurists have divided non-Muslims into two categories:

    (1) People of the book i.e. Jews and Christians (Muslim jurists include Zoroastrians in this category as well, based on a Hadith);

    (2) Other non-Muslims who do not belong to the category (1).

    In case of People of Book the Muslim Law is based on the Qura'nic verse, Al-Maida (The Table Spread) 5:47 "Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." [Ref: 6; tr: Yousafali]

    This verse gives us a guideline that the People of Book should be given autonomy to judge with their own law i.e. the law that Bible and Torah stipulates. And we have seen earlier (section 2.2) that Jewish and Christian canonical laws prescribe capital punishment for apostasy and blasphemy.

    Based on the guidelines stipulated by verse 5:47, as discussed above, historically, Holy Prophet and the subsequent Muslim governments gave autonomy (as far as law is concerned) to the non-Muslims in the city state of Medina and elsewhere later, until the end of Ottoman Caliphate [Ref: 10]. However, a non-Muslim citizen was not exempt from the Hadd crimes (for which the punishment is prescribed in Qura’n) The huddud (penalties) for offenses like fornication, slanderous accusation of fornication, drinking of alcoholic beverages (in open), theft, robbery, apostasy, and sedition were the same for all citizens [Ref: 10, p-172]. The Muslim jurists have argued that the Muslim Law is applicable to non-Muslims (other then Christians & Jews) in the cases where there is an interaction between a Muslim and a non-Muslim; in that case the dispute between the two will be decided on the basis of Islamic law. Since blasphemy is a crime that is committed against the Muslim society thus the Islamic law regarding blasphemy is applicable to non-Muslims. This applicability of Muslim Law to non-Muslims have been drawn through the concept of ‘logical equivalence’ of applicability of divinely mandated Jazzia Tax upon non-Muslim citizens [Ref: 2]

    2.7 Argument# 7: The Argument based on Secular Jurisprudence

    There is a universally accepted concept in jurisprudence called “Malicious Intent”. Based on this concept, a vast body of laws has been formulated in every country and every culture in the world. Example of such laws, which are classes of laws in themselves, are the Laws of Tort (in Common law), Laws of Libel and various anti-harassment laws. Certain sub-laws under these laws may even infringe upon an individual's right of freedom of speech, e.g. a person is not allowed to put his music system out in the porch in the middle of the night and play at full volume. By doing that he is not physically harming anyone but he is torturing his neighbors mentally. Now either he is stupid, mad, or an insensitive moron or he is doing it with a “malicious intent’ to mentally torture his neighbors. It is a courts job to find out what was his intent before prescribing any punishment for his actions. Similarly, under laws of libel one cannot spread baseless rumors (verbal or written) against someone’s character or inseminate unsubstantiated information about a product or a business. The society gives the person and business a right to take the perpetrator to court and seek damages. The court bases its decision after its finding that such crime was committed with “malicious intent” or not. Similarly, giving someone death threats is also a prosecutable offence; even though no one is dead yet and no one is hurt yet, but court will find you guilty. Your argument that giving someone death threats is your freedom of speech is not acceptable to court. It is up to the court to decide whether you gave that death threat with “malicious intent” or not.

    The point of discussion is that there are certain ‘intangible” aspects of human behavior, which must be regulated pre-emptive by law. And society enacts those laws after carefully checking out whether imposition of such law is beneficial for the society at large or not.

    Islam is an open religion, there are no taboos, and everything is open for discussion and for scrutiny for all and sundry. And Islam encourages it. There is a tradition of Holy Prophet (pbuh) and I paraphrase it “The difference (of opinion) is a blessing for my nation”. Islam does not consider anything a taboo. That is why Islam is called the Deen-e-Fitrat (religion of nature) or the religion of nature of man.

    Now a question may arise that when everything is open for discussion then why need blasphemy laws? Isn’t Islam then restricting the freedom of speech or open discussion? The answer to that question is, “malicious intent”. One may argue that there is no such thing as “malicious intent” but then one may also argue that the Roman Empire never existed.

    2.8 Argument# 8 Recognition of Sanctity of Human Dignity is a Universally Accepted Value

    Almost all religions in world teach tolerance, respect and acceptance of fellow human beings, as a moral value, to their adherents. All Humanists claim to uphold the same value. But it is Islam, the eternally modern religion, and the first system of values that specifically teach mutual respect, dignity, equality and tolerance to its adherent and gives this value a status of law. The moral cosmography and the set of social values that Islam presents to the human beings has its foundation in the concept of mutual respect and human dignity. Islam recognizes whole mankind as progeny of Allah regardless of race, religion, color, gender, ethnicity or language. Thus it endows human beings the self-respect, dignity, and esteem. [Ref: 16]; and it becomes not only an ethical value but also a law for Muslims. It took 1500 years for rest of the world to recognize that a human being is entitled to honor and dignity, when in 1948, all the nations under the banner of United Nations declared the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    The Article 12 of United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights states "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks". [Ref: 15]

    Thus Blasphemy Law recognizes and qualifies a universally accepted human value. Should we exempt prophets from this value?

    Source:  http://www.chowk.com/articles/5331

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #264 - January 10, 2011, 02:53 AM

    It's like reading a D & D rulebook. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #265 - January 10, 2011, 10:42 AM

    It's like reading a D & D rulebook.  

    yes these feudal rogues in Islam for the sake of political power make such rule books in Islamic lands breed cold blooded animal ROGUES LIKE THESE



    who become rock stars by killing a good-hearted man. Look at the smirk on this animal face.  

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=9089

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #266 - January 10, 2011, 09:24 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrVxqbvHdB8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxLT6DRJdbQ

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #267 - January 11, 2011, 09:53 AM

    After the murder   What now?? ...Zafar Hilaly  writes at http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=25047&Cat=9

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    "Yesterday’s silent majority is today’s bitter and dumb minority. Reality has finally overtaken them. They may say little out of fear or remorse but their actions will speak loudly in the months to come. "
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    One can guess what the well off amongst them will do. They will be reading up on foreign visa regulations. Interest will pick up in the ‘second home’ plan that Malaysia has to offer. Their children, if abroad, will be told not to return home, even for holidays. In due course, their houses will be up for sale and the search is probably already on for the hawalawala who will transfer funds without any questions asked. A Hindu fellow citizen said, ‘this is the last straw’. As for the not so well off, their wailings will be confined to newspaper columns and a despair that is treated not by hope but dope.


    Had they studied history, they would not have left religion in the hands of the mullah because religion has more effect on moulding life than nationalism, the economy or a common language. And that every major question is a religious question. In Europe, for example, it was not until nationalism took on the hue of religion in the 16th and 17th centuries that it made any headway and it was only then that the Holy Roman Empire began to break up. The kings and princes involved in that war had to cry out that the only salvation that existed was within their church and not that of the Pope or Luther before they were able to persuade fellow Germans to kill each other. Much like the Taliban is doing today.
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    They forgot that the motivating factor for the Arab conquests was religion; or that the past and present Persian-Arab divide is due entirely – their other differences were suborned within this cleavage – to their very different versions of Islam, so much so, that one side regarded the other as worse than infidels.

    Absurdly, they overlooked the obvious, namely, that religion mattered in their own country. Indeed, the very creation of Pakistan was, as it happens, exclusively on account of religion. The fact that Bangladesh exists as a separate country and, at times, as a fiercely anti India entity, reinforces rather than negates the profound impact of religion. Even the Indian ‘mutiny’ of 1857 had to be given a religious twist before the country rose in revolt.


    They forgot that when Mustafa Kemal of Turkey rejected religion as the ideology of the state in favour of secularism, he had to fight and win a war against his fellow countrymen and continue to kill those who remained wedded to the old concept. Even the pro-Islamist government that is currently in power has continually to assert that it is not steering Turkey away from secularism. The wearing of the scarf has been made legal in Turkish universities under the aegis of a law guaranteeing such freedom in the present secular constitution.................


    The question often asked by locals, as much as foreigners, is that now that the battle has been joined who will prevail. So will those whose responsibility is to safeguard the state and the fundamental rights of the people finally act? Or have we already embraced the doom assigned by fate?


    The writer is a former ambassador. Email: charles123it@hotmail.com

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #268 - January 11, 2011, 11:58 AM

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/11/salmaan-taseer-assasination-pakistan-blasphemy-laws

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #269 - January 11, 2011, 01:23 PM

    There you go.. At least nine killed in Karachi violence.,
    http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/11/at-least-nine-killed-in-karachi-violence.html

     that appears to be MQM response to this weirdo baboons..
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    if 40,000 or so Baboons hold 160 million people hostage to this fucking laws made by these Feudal rogue politician in collision religious baboons means    there is something fundamentally wrong in the society. It is nothing worse than THUGS holding innocents at their gun point that too being very minority.

    The first thing Govt  should have done is Arrest these Bigger Baboons Just 20 of them,.. rest will fall in line  and go for re-elections immediately after the murder of Taseer Salman.,  Zaradari is stupid guy ., if Benazir Bhutto was alive and in charge of that party, she would have dissolved the govt and go for elcetion send these Baboons far away from Govt buildings and that goes for Nawaz Sahriff a clean shaved Taliban..


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