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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #270 - January 11, 2011, 01:33 PM

    I don't find the connection with blasphemy law in this news.

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #271 - January 11, 2011, 01:33 PM

    Mumtaz Qadri says he acted alone  says news
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    RAWALPINDI: Malik Mumtaz Qadri, the man who killed Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer, in his official confessional statement accepted that he killed the governor over his statement regarding the country’s blasphemy law and said that he had acted alone. Qadri, in his confessional statement presented in the court, said that he killed the Punjab governor for his remarks to change the blasphemy law, adding that he had acted as an individual and ruled out the involvement of any religious group in his actions. He said that he decided to kill Taseer when he came to know in a religious gathering in Sadiqabad three days before the incident that the governor had termed the blasphemy law a ‘black law’. Anti-Terrorist Court Judge Malik Akram Awan awarded 14-day judicial remand of Qadri and sent him to Adiala Jail. staff report


    HOW IS THIS ROGUE ACTED ALONE., when all the heroes protecting Salman Taseer new the brutal scoundrel is going to kill him??

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/11/a-cry-in-the-wilderness.html   Kamran Shafi   writes
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    I DON`T know where to begin, what to say. There are so many questions: the governor`s murderer could have been a fundamentalist, obscurantist, extremist, terrorist, whatever.

    But why did the other guards who were present at the time that he was emptying his magazine into his victim`s body merely stand around watching? Isn`t shooting the shooter the immediate action any trained guard would take?

    Why, indeed, was the man detailed on VVIP duty when his extremist views were known to all and sundry within the police department? There is news too that he had told his companions that he was going to assassinate their charge and then give himself up, so could they please not shoot him. Is it possible that the motivators and the instigators of the murderer had got through to the others on the detail too? And warned them that if they harmed the murderer they would themselves be done to death? ghazi

    These are very serious questions that the government of the Punjab and the federal government must address most urgently before, God forbid, another person falls victim to another would-be ...

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #272 - January 11, 2011, 01:35 PM

    I don't find the connection with blasphemy law in this news.

    you will see later in the sky news  muddy.... do you know the guys who got killed there??  all of them are from baboon party..

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #273 - January 12, 2011, 04:29 AM

    Salmaan Taseer's daughter(ShehrbanoTaseer)  talks Indians on Indian tv...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5wQ1L8w7DQ

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #274 - January 12, 2011, 11:43 AM

    I didn't see this posted. His son Aatish Taseer wrote in the Telegraph about the murder of his father.

    +++++


    'The killer of my father, Salman Taseer, was showered with rose petals by fanatics. How could they do this?'

    Thousands of Pakistanis showered rose petals on the assassin of Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab who sought clemency for a Christian woman sentenced to death. Here his eldest son, Aatish Taseer, who lives in Delhi, mourns his death - and the nihilism of a country that could not tolerate a patriot who was humanitarian to his core.




    I have recently flown home from North America. In airport after international airport, the world's papers carried front page images of my father's assassin.

    A 26-year-old boy, with a beard, a forehead calloused from prayer, and the serene expression of a man assured of some higher reward. Last Tuesday, this boy, hardly older than my youngest brother whose 25th birthday it was that day, shot to death my father, the governor of Punjab, in a market in Islamabad.

    My father had always taken pleasure in eluding his security, sometimes appearing without any at all in open-air restaurants with his family, but in this last instance it would not have mattered, for the boy who killed him was a member of his security detail.

    It appears now that the plan to kill my father had been in his assassin's mind, even revealed to a few confidants, for many days before he carried the act to its fruition. And it is a great source of pain to me, among other things, that my father, always brazen and confident, had spent those last few hours in the company of men who kept a plan to kill him in their breasts.

    But perhaps it could have been no other way, for my father would not only have not recognised his assassins, he would not have recognised the country that produced a boy like that. Pakistan was part of his faith, and one of the reasons for the differences that arose between us in the last years of his life–and there were many–was that this faith never allowed him to accept what had become of the country his forefathers had fought for.



    And it would have been no less an act of faith for him to defend his country from the men who would see it become a medieval theocracy than it was for his assassin to take his life.

    The last time I met or spoke to my father was – it seems hard to believe now – the night three years ago that Benazir Bhutto was killed. We had been estranged for most of my life, and just before he died we were estranged for a second time. I was the son of my Indian mother, with whom my father had a year-long relationship in 1980. In my childhood and adolescence, when he was fighting General Zia's dictatorship alongside Bhutto, and was in and out of jail, I had not known him.

    I met him for the first time in my adult life at the age of 21, when I went to Lahore to seek him out. For some time, a promising, but awkward relationship, which included many trips to Lahore and family holidays with his young wife and six other children, developed between us.

    The cause for that first estrangement, my father had always explained, was that it would have been impossible for him to be in politics in Pakistan with an Indian wife and a half-Indian son. And, in the end, as much as Pakistan had been the cause of our first estrangement, it was also the cause of our second, which began soon after the London bombings, when my father wrote me an angry letter about a story I had written for Prospect magazine in which I described the British second-generation Pakistani as the genus of Islamic terrorism in Britain.

    My father was angry as a Muslim, though he was not a practising man of faith, and as a Pakistani; he accused me of blackening the Taseer name by bringing disrepute to a family of patriots. The letter and the new silence that arose between us prompted a book, Stranger to History, in which I discussed openly many things about my father's religion, Pakistan and my parents' relationship. Its publication freakishly coincided –though he might well have been offended even as a private citizen by what I wrote – with my father's return to politics, after a hiatus of nearly 15 years.

    The book made final the distance between us; and a great part of the oblique pain I now feel has to do with mourning a man who was present for most of my life as an absence.

    And yet I do mourn him, for whatever the trouble between us, there were things I never doubted about him: his courage, which, truly, was like an incapacity for fear, and his love of Pakistan. I said earlier that Pakistan was part of his faith, but that he himself was not a man of faith. His Islam, though it could inform his political ideas, now giving him a special feeling for the cause of the Palestinians and the Kashmiris, now a pride in the history of Muslims from Andalusia to Mughal India, was not total; it was not a complete vision of a society founded in faith.

    He was a man in whom various and competing ideas of sanctity could function. His wish for his country was not that of the totality of Islam, but of a society built on the achievements of men, on science, on rationality, on modernity.

    But, to look hard at the face of my father's assassin is to see that in those last moments of his life my father faced the gun of a man whose vision of the world, nihilistic as it is, could admit no other.

    And where my father and I would have parted ways in the past was that I believe Pakistan and its founding in faith, that first throb of a nation made for religion by people who thought naively that they would restrict its role exclusively to the country's founding, was responsible for producing my father's killer.

    For if it is science and rationality whose fruit you wish to see appear in your country, then it is those things that you must enshrine at its heart; otherwise, for as long as it is faith, the men who say that Pakistan was made for Islam, and that more Islam is the solution, will always have the force of an ugly logic on their side. And better men, men like my father, will be reduced to picking their way around the bearded men, the men with one vision that can admit no other, the men who look to the sanctities of only one Book.

    In the days before his death, these same men had issued religious edicts against my father, burned him in effigy and threatened his life. Why? Because he defended the cause of a poor Christian woman who had been accused – and sentenced to die – for blasphemy.

    My father, because his country was founded in faith, and blood – a million people had died so that it could be made–could not say that the sentence was wrong; the sentence stood; all he sought for Aasia Bibi was clemency on humanitarian grounds. But it was enough to demand his head.

    What my father could never say was what I suspect he really felt: "The very idea of a blasphemy law is primitive; no woman, in any humane society, should die for what she says and thinks."

    And when finally my father sought the repeal of the laws that had condemned her, the laws that had become an instrument of oppression in the hands of a majority against its minority, he could not say that the source of the laws, the faith, had no place in a modern society; he had to find a way to make people believe that the religion had been distorted, even though the religion – in the way that only these Books can be – was clear as day about what was meant.

    Already, even before his body is cold, those same men of faith in Pakistan have banned good Muslims from mourning my father; clerics refused to perform his last rites; and the armoured vehicle conveying his assassin to the courthouse was mobbed with cheering crowds and showered with rose petals.

    I should say too that on Friday every mosque in the country condoned the killer's actions; 2,500 lawyers came forward to take on his defence for free; and the Chief Minister of Punjab, who did not attend the funeral, is yet to offer his condolences in person to my family who sit besieged in their house in Lahore.

    And so, though I believe, as deeply as I have ever believed anything, that my father joins that sad procession of martyrs – every day a thinner line – standing between him and his country's descent into fear and nihilism, I also know that unless Pakistan finds a way to turn its back on Islam in the public sphere, the memory of the late governor of Punjab will fade.

    And where one day there might have been a street named after him, there will be one named after Malik Mumtaz Qadir, my father's boy-assassin.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8248162/The-killer-of-my-father-Salman-Taseer-was-showered-with-rose-petals-by-fanatics.-How-could-they-do-this.html


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #275 - January 12, 2011, 11:49 AM

    The lineup on that photo is all bearded.

    I wonder if we will end up with a 2-tier Pakistan after this fiasco. 

    Those that read urdu-print newspapers vs those that that read the English printed ones?

    The Beards vs Bards?

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #276 - January 12, 2011, 04:09 PM

    Salmaan Taseer's daughter(ShehrbanoTaseer)  talks Indians on Indian tv...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5wQ1L8w7DQ

    What kind of idiot newscaster is that?

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #277 - January 14, 2011, 05:46 PM

    http://www.viewpointonline.net/now-or-never.html

    Tuesday, January 4, 2011 will always be remembered as the day when Islamist terrorism took one more step towards wholesale talibanisation of Pakistan. Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer was slain by his own bodyguard who proudly confessed that he did it because Taseer had had the audacity to describe the blasphemy law as draconian. It may be recalled that some time back a poor Christian woman, Aasia Bibi, was sentenced to death by a Pakistani court for allegedly using sacrilegious language against Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

    Reports are now emerging that the conspiracy to kill Taseer included several individuals trained as police commandos. It has further been revealed that Qadri and several of his fellow commandos had been identified as unreliable for duty to protect VIPs. The assailant belongs to the Brelawi-Sunni sub-sect. Analysts fond of describing Brelawis as moderates and Deobandis as radical need to ponder over such distinctions.

    The Brelawis have taken the lead this time and 500 of their top ulema have come out with a fatwa declaring Qadri a true lover of the Prophet and Taseer an accomplice of the alleged blasphemer, Aasia Bibi, who deserved to die. The head of the Jama’at-e-Islami, Munawwar Hasan has, as expected, blamed Taseer for provoking pious sensibilities by describing the blasphemy law in uncharitable manner.

    The propaganda launched against him is that Taseer decided to take up cudgels on behalf of Aasia Bibi to please the West. I have tried very hard to understand how the West benefits from a poor Christian woman being pardoned for a crime she did not commit. There are millions of poor Christians in Latin America, India, the Philippines and elsewhere for whom the West doesn’t give two hoots. The prevailing rule in Pakistan is, however: commit any crime against humanity and justify it as some noble reaction to Western imperialism and as a punishment to its native lackeys.

    Another line of justification of the murder by rightwing journalists is that the governor interfered with the judicial process by declaring the blasphemy law as bad. Such reasoning is of course pure chicanery. Justice Arif Iqbal Bhatti of the Lahore High Court had in 1995 found two Christians, Salamat Masih and Rehmat Masih, not guilty of blasphemy and set them free. On October 10, 1997 he was gunned down. Recently one of the clerics referred to Justice Bhatti’s fate as the punishment awaiting anyone who acquits non-Muslims on blasphemy charges: irrespective of whether there is evidence to corroborate it or not.

    In another string of emails, Qadri is being described as the fulfiller of Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal’s vision of Pakistan: one where only true believers live. The basis for such a description is what happened in Lahore long years ago. On April 6, 1929 Ilam Din, a young, illiterate Muslim youth assassinated a Hindu, Rajpal, for publishing a book, Rangeela Rasul (The Merry Messenger of God), scurrilous to Prophet Muhammad.

    I talked to Rajpal’s son, Dina Nath Malhotra, in New Delhi on April 14, 2004. He told me that the author of the book was Pandit Chamupati who had written it in retaliation for a book allegedly written by a Muslim in 1920 denigrating Lord Krishna and Swami Dayananda, the founder of the Arya Samaj. Malhotra’s father, having promised not to reveal the author’s name attracted the wrath of the enraged Muslims onto himself.

    Raj Pal was sentenced on January 18, 1927 to eighteen months imprisonment and a fine of Rs 1000 for provoking enmity between Hindus and Muslims. However, that did not satisfy the Muslims of Lahore. Agitations and protests continued. On 6 April 1929 a Muslim youth Ilam Din, a young man of 18-19, got enraged and stabbed Rajpal to death. The Hindus of Lahore in large numbers took part in the funeral procession of Rajpal.

    Other sources provide the following information. When the trial began the initial defence of Ilam Din was prepared by Mian Farrukh Hussain. A death sentence was passed on Ilam Din at the Session’s Court. Allama Iqbal and Mian Abdul Aziz were leading the Muslim effort save Ilam Din. Iqbal urged Jinnah to come from Bombay and appear before the Lahore High Court on behalf of Ilam Din. Jinnah agreed. Jinnah’s plea was that Ilam Din was an illiterate youngster man who was incensed by the disparaging language against Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used in the book and should therefore not be sent to the gallows. Jinnah did not endorse what Ilam Din had done, however. Contrary to mythology, Ilam Din did submit a mercy petition. The Lahore High Court found Ilam Din guilty and sentenced him to death on 17 July 1929. The judge who delivered the death sentence was Kanwar Sir Dalip Singh, a Christian who hailed from the ruling family of Kapurthala.

    Only persistent processions and demonstrations, on the one hand, and assurances by the notables of the Muslim community, on the other, that peace and order would not be disturbed if his body were returned to his family and buried in Lahore convinced the British authorities to comply with that demand. Ilam Din’s father requested Iqbal to lead the funeral prayers for his son, but he excused himself by saying that he was a sinner and therefore a more pious Muslim should lead the prayers. He did however pay glowing tributes to Ilam Din. Maulana Zafar Ali Khan too waxed eloquent in a eulogy to Ilam Din at the graveside.

    In 1982, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq amended Section 295-C of the Pakistan Penal Code to declare blasphemy a major offence. Initially the maximum punishment was life imprisonment. In 1986, it was made even harsher and read, “whoever by words either spoken or written or by visible representations or in any manner whatsoever, or by any imputation, innuendo or institution, directly or indirectly defiles the sacred name of the holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life and shall also be liable to fine.” Further amendment in 1991 resulted in the death penalty becoming the automatic punishment for blasphemers and life imprisonment was deleted.

    Since 1986, hundreds of non-Muslim, mainly Christians, as well as some free-thinking Muslims have been charged for blasphemy since 1986. Mostly it has been petty disputes over property or jobs that have been the basis of attacks on the Christians. At the lower levels the courts have found them guilty and passed the death sentence but because of the agitation by human rights organizations and pressure of international public opinion no individual has been executed up till now. Rather, at the higher levels the courts have found some technical basis to reduce the sentence or set such individuals free.

    That has of course not been the end of the matter. Such persons have either been killed by fanatics, or, granted humanitarian asylum in the West. In some cases fanatics have taken the law into their own hands and brutally killed alleged blasphemers. To this day, no such killer has been punished. Justice Arif Iqbal Bhatti of the Lahore High Court had in 1995 found two Christians, Salamat Masih and Rehmat Masih, not guilty of blasphemy and set them free. On October 10, 1997 Justice Bhatti was gunned down. In 1998, Bishop John Joseph burnt himself to death to protest the injustices meted out to Christians under the blasphemy law.

    It is time for Pakistani liberals and leftists to study the rise of fascism and Nazism from the late 1920s and follow how these movements ended up capturing the state and plunging Europe into a bloodbath that claimed millions of life. Initially the fascists and Nazis were considered fools and upstarts, but already before World War II broke out Italian and German liberals, social democrats and communists - all had been cornered; not to mention that the Nazis had begun to target Jews and Roma (Gypsies) though the gas chambers had not yet been put into service.

    The whiskey-drenched upper classes of Lahore think that the Lahore Canal is some insurmountable physical barrier that protects them from the tentacles of the growing fascist monster. Just look around and see how well-prepared, co-ordinated and skilfully orchestrated is the foul propaganda barrage that has been let loose to project the assassin, Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri, as a great champion of Islam.

    Pakistan is in a state of near anarchy. The government lacks parliamentary majority in the National Assembly and the PML-N seems determined to bring it down. Pakistan is a fast failing state, but has not failed yet. Contrary to the fatwa of some ulema that Salmaan Taseer should be refused an Islamic burial, other clerics were willing to lead his funeral prayers. Thousands of people took part in the ceremony. He was buried with full official protocol, his bier being carried by men in uniform. He was given a state funeral with full honours. It means that not all people have gone mad.

    Salmaan Taseer was a brave man and one with strong convictions. Such individuals are becoming rare commodity in Pakistan. Something drastic needs to be done. Our very active judiciary must do its duty. Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri and his accomplices should be tried and meted out punishment they deserve for the crime they have committed. This is the opportunity. It is now or never. Unless the PPP-led Federal Government repeals the blasphemy law, it might as well pass on the unenviable task of proving Pakistan to be a failed state to someone else.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #278 - January 14, 2011, 06:09 PM

    http://www.viewpointonline.net/now-or-never.html

     ..............................

    In another string of emails, Qadri is being described as the fulfiller of Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal’s vision of Pakistan: one where only true believers live. The basis for such a description is what happened in Lahore long years ago. On April 6, 1929 Ilam Din, a young, illiterate Muslim youth assassinated a Hindu, Rajpal, for publishing a book, Rangeela Rasul (The Merry Messenger of God), scurrilous to Prophet Muhammad.

    Quote
    I talked to Rajpal’s son, Dina Nath Malhotra, in New Delhi on April 14, 2004. He told me that the author of the book was Pandit Chamupati who had written it in retaliation for a book allegedly written by a Muslim in 1920 denigrating Lord Krishna and Swami Dayananda, the founder of the Arya Samaj. Malhotra’s father, having promised not to reveal the author’s name attracted the wrath of the enraged Muslims onto himself.


    Raj Pal was sentenced on January 18, 1927 to eighteen months imprisonment and a fine of Rs 1000 for provoking enmity between Hindus and Muslims. However, that did not satisfy the Muslims of Lahore. Agitations and protests continued. On 6 April 1929 a Muslim youth Ilam Din, a young man of 18-19, got enraged and stabbed Rajpal to death. The Hindus of Lahore in large numbers took part in the funeral procession of Rajpal.

    Other sources provide the following information. When the trial began the initial defence of Ilam Din was prepared by Mian Farrukh Hussain. A death sentence was passed on Ilam Din at the Session’s Court. Allama Iqbal and Mian Abdul Aziz were leading the Muslim effort save Ilam Din. Iqbal urged Jinnah to come from Bombay and appear before the Lahore High Court on behalf of Ilam Din. Jinnah agreed. Jinnah’s plea was that Ilam Din was an illiterate youngster man who was incensed by the disparaging language against Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used in the book and should therefore not be sent to the gallows. Jinnah did not endorse what Ilam Din had done, however. Contrary to mythology, Ilam Din did submit a mercy petition. The Lahore High Court found Ilam Din guilty and sentenced him to death on 17 July 1929. The judge who delivered the death sentence was Kanwar Sir Dalip Singh, a Christian who hailed from the ruling family of Kapurthala.

     that is interesting to note., I wonder anyone read those books...

    news says Pakistanis protest pope's appeal on blasphemy laws

    http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=409751&version=1&template_id=41&parent_id=23
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    Pakistani demonstrators shout slogans against recent statements by Pope Benedict XVI about Pakistan's blasphemy laws, next to burning tires during a rally in Islamabad, Pakistan, Friday, Jan. 14, 2011. Islamist protesters have demonstrated in three cities against a call by Pope Benedict XVI for Pakistan to scrap its blasphemy laws. The laws stipulate the death sentence for anyone insulting Islam's prophet, Muhammad. Critics say the laws are often used to persecute Christians and other minorities or to settle personal vendettas. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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    Supporters of Jamaat-e-Islami women’s wings shout slogans during a protest against Pope Benedict XVI for his statements in which he called on Pakistani authorities to repeal the country’s blasphemy laws, in Lahore, Pakistan yesterday. Pope Benedict gave the call called on 10 January, days after a senior Pakistani politician who  opposed the legislation was assassinated by his own bodyguard

     
     

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #279 - January 14, 2011, 06:48 PM

    What kind of idiot newscaster is that?


    What was so idiotic about her?



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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #280 - January 14, 2011, 07:00 PM



    Great article, Hassan cheers for posting that. Very interesting on the history of 'Ilam Din' and Jinnah representing him in court. Another bleak prognosis overall though, I wonder if there is anyone out there writing who thinks there is some light amidst the dark ahead for Pakistan, without hvaing their heads in the sand over the issue at the same time.



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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #281 - January 14, 2011, 07:08 PM

    What was so idiotic about her?

    She was asking stupid questions to traumatized daughter of the Governer. "How do you feel about people giving garland to the killer of her father".. There was atleast one more idiotic question.

    I know and fully agree that Pakistani media gets very unprofessional at times, but Indian media becomes idiotic when trying to do any kind of propaganda.

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #282 - January 14, 2011, 08:04 PM


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #283 - January 14, 2011, 08:41 PM

    I find this bit quite disturbing!
    Quote
    Further amendment in 1991 resulted in the death penalty becoming the automatic punishment for blasphemers and life imprisonment was deleted.

    Since 1986, hundreds of non-Muslim, mainly Christians, as well as some free-thinking Muslims have been charged for blasphemy since 1986. Mostly it has been petty disputes over property or jobs that have been the basis of attacks on the Christians. At the lower levels the courts have found them guilty and passed the death sentence but because of the agitation by human rights organizations and pressure of international public opinion no individual has been executed up till now. Rather, at the higher levels the courts have found some technical basis to reduce the sentence or set such individuals free.

    That has of course not been the end of the matter. Such persons have either been killed by fanatics, or, granted humanitarian asylum in the West. In some cases fanatics have taken the law into their own hands and brutally killed alleged blasphemers. To this day, no such killer has been punished. Justice Arif Iqbal Bhatti of the Lahore High Court had in 1995 found two Christians, Salamat Masih and Rehmat Masih, not guilty of blasphemy and set them free. On October 10, 1997 Justice Bhatti was gunned down. In 1998, Bishop John Joseph burnt himself to death to protest the injustices meted out to Christians under the blasphemy law.


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #284 - January 14, 2011, 10:32 PM

    Demo today in Pakistan in support of the "Hero" Mumtaz Qadri - (Governor Taseer's self-confessed assassin) - and death threats for anyone who calls for reform of blasphemy laws.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12191082
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #285 - January 14, 2011, 11:50 PM

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    Sherry Rehman, a woman MP who has put forward an amendment in parliament, says she receives death threats every half hour by e-mail and telephone.


    Blithering idiots have turned pakistan into a taliban style mullahocracy  finmad
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #286 - January 15, 2011, 10:07 AM

    There's always a note of glee I detect when you make comments like that, hypocrucifier.



    No billy! NO! It's not glee but extreme anger at the senselessness of it all and the harm that lunatics cause to decent people,who have been intimidated and silenced by them  to the detriment of the health of the nation.



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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #287 - January 15, 2011, 10:10 AM

    Blithering idiots have turned pakistan into a taliban style mullahocracy  finmad


    Its the will of the people, respect it.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #288 - January 15, 2011, 10:11 AM

    No billy! NO! It's not glee but extreme anger at the senselessness of it all and the harm that lunatics cause to decent people,who have been intimidated and silenced by them  to the detriment of the health of the nation.


    Oh. Maybe you can use a smiley to express that instead, if there is one, rather than serial laughter ones.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #289 - January 15, 2011, 10:52 AM

    I think we need a smiley for sarcastic laughter,which enable the separation of harmless mirth from sarcastic outbursts.
    I detected sarcasm in your statement- "He's a rock star", I was just amplifying it.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #290 - January 15, 2011, 10:56 AM


    Well, he is a rock star amongst a lot of people in Pakistan. Facebook pages, devotional songs and youtube videos, loads of fans, ('hey, I really love your work'), a real pop star ghazi for the 21st century. I bet he'll have loads of groupies too. I wasn't being sarcastic.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #291 - January 15, 2011, 03:40 PM



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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #292 - January 15, 2011, 05:14 PM

    Its the will of the people, respect it.



    THAT'S A GOOD ONE BILLY BOY!



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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #293 - January 15, 2011, 05:24 PM

    Its the will of the people, respect it.



    So you don't want democracy in Pakistan, bcoz you dont like what the people want? *tries to act surprised* So what do you suggest billy boy? Come on, I'd love to hear it   popcorn
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #294 - January 15, 2011, 05:36 PM

    How do you know that people want democracy there? It's only the liberals that have had the benefits of a western education  who want it. They are in a minority Have you spoken to the general public? The poor and the dispossessed who I suspect feel there' nothing like true Islam  to make Pakistan prosperous and HOLY!How can you be sure that they don't want the mullahs?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #295 - January 15, 2011, 05:42 PM

    It's the will of the people that Qadri should be released for his heroic act, so he should be released.People in Tunisia have come on to the streets to demonstrate their will to overthrow the dictator[your preferred mode of dissent],likewise Pakistani people have come on to the streets to demonstrate their great love for the blasphemy law. Who are we to interfere?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #296 - January 15, 2011, 05:57 PM

    I'm sure releasing a criminal is against the laws of Pakistan so it doesn't matter what the people want it cannot go against a constitution---not defending the constitution of pakistan, i'm only saying the constitution (whatever it may be, wherever it may be) must be respected.

    How do you know that people want democracy there? It's only the liberals that have had the benefits of a western education  who want it. They are in a minority Have you spoken to the general public? The poor and the dispossessed who I suspect feel there' nothing like true Islam  to make Pakistan prosperous and HOLY!How can you be sure that they don't want the mullahs?


    *facepalm* most of the people protesting out there are members/affiliates of parties that do and have taken part in DEMOCRACY before! They're not like the taliban or HT that reject democracy. Pakistan was founded as a republic (Islamic was added on later) I have spoken to enough to know what they want. I think the people want a sort of system that isnt clergy ran as Iran but not as secular as turkey, somewhere inbetween those lines.
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #297 - January 15, 2011, 07:34 PM

    So you don't want democracy in Pakistan, bcoz you dont like what the people want? *tries to act surprised* So what do you suggest billy boy? Come on, I'd love to hear it   popcorn


    I suggest I should put a smiley in next time so you don't get confused.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #298 - January 15, 2011, 08:23 PM

     
    *facepalm* most of the people protesting out there are members/affiliates of parties that do and have taken part in DEMOCRACY before! They're not like the taliban or HT that reject democracy. Pakistan was founded as a republic (Islamic was added on later) I have spoken to enough to know what they want. I think the people want a sort of system that isnt clergy ran as Iran but not as secular as turkey, somewhere inbetween those lines.


    Which protests are you talking about?

    I suggest I should put a smiley in next time so you don't get confused.




    Which smiley would you have used?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #299 - January 15, 2011, 08:32 PM

    The ones in karachi in support of the blasphemy law.

    I suggest I should put a smiley in next time so you don't get confused.




    I'd still like to hear what you think Pakistan needs to do............
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