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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #300 - January 15, 2011, 08:37 PM


    Pakistan needs to look to its neighbour, India, and the nation that broke free of them, Bangladesh, and copy what they have done.

    Isn't that obvious?




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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #301 - January 15, 2011, 08:45 PM

    No its not obvious *wonders if he can tell that she's being sarky*

    Its kinda hard to do that when islamists have so much propaganda to use--most of which is true. Neither India or Bangladesh have a massive war on its border that is slowly coming into their territory, for any society to be  stable and prosperous there needs to be PEACE!
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #302 - January 15, 2011, 08:53 PM


    Excuses, excuses, excuses.

    Instead of slowly building secular democracies and investing in its people like India and Bangladesh did, Pakistan CHOSE to embed religion into its heart before there was any war on its doorstep, read the articles here that tell the history of the Islamisation of Pakistan. India has had a war on its doorstep because of Pakistan sending in jehadis to kill Indians all the time but it hasn't made recourse to religious fundamentalism at the fountainhead of its existence as a state because of that. Bangladesh was born out of a genocidal war that crippled it utterly, it has not used that as an excuse.

    Pakistan used jehadis as a tool of its foreign and domestic decades ago.

    Pakistan is not a victim. Pakistan has been an agent of its own situation.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #303 - January 15, 2011, 09:06 PM

    Its not an 'excuse' its reality.

    Oh I know what Pakistan did, it went from having hindus and ahmadiyyas in govt. to having state endorsed persecution of minorities.
    Pakistan used jihadis........so did everyone else, I guess America wasn't a victim when 9/11 happened, right? And has been an agent of its own situation?

    And btw, its been the 'west' which has backed military dictators, whether it be General Zia or Busharraf. So like I always say, fuck the US. The quicker it leaves the region (by force if necessary) the better for Pakistan.

    PAKISTAN-US relations:





    PAKISTAN-CHINA relations:



    And then people wonder why Pakistanis are so hostile to uncle sam  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #304 - January 15, 2011, 09:09 PM


    Its got nothing to do with Uncle Sam, and everything to do with the conscious choices that Pakistan made.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #305 - January 15, 2011, 09:14 PM

    I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked:

    Pakistan used jihadis........so did everyone else, I guess America wasn't a victim when 9/11 happened, right? And has been an agent of its own situation?


    Come on billy boy!
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #306 - January 15, 2011, 09:18 PM

     I'm just saying Billy! * Dawahworks.jpeg*

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #307 - January 15, 2011, 09:24 PM

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    Come on billy boy!

     

     Grin


    Quote
    Pakistan used jihadis........so did everyone else, I guess America wasn't a victim when 9/11 happened, right? And has been an agent of its own situation?

     

    Yes, America was a victim of jehadis. What a silly question. Pakistanis are also victims of jehadis. The Pakistani state wanted to have an army of jehadis in order to destory India, the great polytheist satan, throug a death by a thousand cuts. Thats why Lashkar-e-Tayiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and all those other gangs were formed, sponsored and sustained by Pakistani state agencies. Thats why the Taliban was sponsored by Pakistan so it could be a pliant state for Pakistan to have 'strategic depth' against India.

    When the Soviet Union left Afghanistan, Pakistan deliberately accelerated jehadism, specifically because it saw itself as a 'Ghazi' state whose destiny it was to dominate and inflict pain on India.

    You know, just when Pakistan began this policy at the start of the 1990's, is when India liberalised its economy and started seeing the growth rates its now seeing.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #308 - January 15, 2011, 09:32 PM

    Like pakistan, the US is reaping what it sowed, or as you put it "been an agent of its own situation" stop being a hypocrite.

    And let me fix summat for you:

    The Pakistani state US wanted to have an army of jehadis in order to destory India, soviet russia the great polytheist atheist satan, throug a death by a thousand cuts. Thats why Lashkar-e-Tayiba, foreign arab jihadis Jaish-e-Mohammad local mullahs and all those other gangs were formed, sponsored and sustained by Pakistani American state agencies. Thats why the Taliban was sponsored by Pakistan so it could be a pliant state for Pakistan to have 'strategic depth' against India. were given red carpet treatment in the US when they were gonna sign a gas pipeline deal:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #309 - January 15, 2011, 09:34 PM


    Aphrodite, I am very sorry for the state that Pakistan is in. Some of my closest relationships have been and are with people of Pakistani heritage. Thats why I tend to know more than the average person about Pakistan. You asked what Pakistan should do, and I told you what I've said here before, it should copy and emulate what India and Bangladesh are doing in terms of their constitution, secularism and democracy.

    I fear though that you are right. Its probably too late to go down that road. A bleak convergence between grassroots extremism and volatile, violent militaristic nationalism is the path that the 21st Century holds for Pakistan in the worst case scenario. I hope I'm wrong and the Salman Taseer's and Sherry Rahman's represent a brake on that, but the last two weeks have not been promising for that prospect at all.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #310 - January 15, 2011, 09:39 PM

    Like pakistan, the US is reaping what it sowed, or as you put it "been an agent of its own situation" stop being a hypocrite.


    The USA is the Number One Munafiqoon, that goes without saying Thamina!

    Its like watching someone being eaten by crocodiles that she fed, raised, nurtured and grew with the intention of setting them on her next door neighbour so that they would eat them, screaming as the crocodiles turn on their keeper instead, like a Frankenstein's Monster, eating her up, she cries, what about him, he sold me some meat to feed them too!



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #311 - January 15, 2011, 09:46 PM

    The US won't leave the region though, it will shift its support to India, more so already.  Which is why Pakistan is receiving US military aid in the first place, because Pakistan was afraid of India taking the lion's share.   

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #312 - January 15, 2011, 10:36 PM

    Aphrodite, I am very sorry for the state that Pakistan is in.


    Lol you got nothing to be sorry for. And Pakistan will survive as long as the army remains powerful---hurts me to say it but well it is the least corrupt and best institution Pakistan has---I guess all those years of posting on defence.pk does mean still having a soft spot for the military  Smiley
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #313 - January 15, 2011, 10:56 PM

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    you got nothing to be sorry for.

     

    I know - I'm not sorry in an apologetic way. Why should I be? I'm sorry as in sad to see that its so fucked up. Partly because its fucked up ideologies are fucking up other people too, outside Pakistan. But also because its not nice to see so many unhinged people in one place making life for each other miserable.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #314 - January 15, 2011, 10:59 PM

    And Pakistan will survive as long as the army remains powerful---hurts me to say it but well it is the least corrupt and best institution Pakistan has---I guess all those years of posting on defence.pk does mean still having a soft spot for the military  Smiley


    The army is just another thing fucking Pakistan up, arguably more than anything else. I can definitely see you as a lover of militarism though.

    The brilliant writer Hanif Kureishi, one of my favourite authors, wrote in an essay about his family in Pakistan a brilliant line that his uncle said: "This country has been sodomised by religion"

    I'd add the army to that.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #315 - January 15, 2011, 11:02 PM

    Lol you got nothing to be sorry for. And Pakistan will survive as long as the army remains powerful---hurts me to say it but well it is the least corrupt and best institution Pakistan has---I guess all those years of posting on defence.pk does mean still having a soft spot for the military  Smiley

    what do you mean by "survive"?

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #316 - January 15, 2011, 11:20 PM

    I fear that rise of pashtun nationalism (what many call here 'talibanisation') the situation in balochistan that the country might split kinda like east pakistan was separated  whistling2

    I can definitely see you as a lover of militarism though.

    The brilliant writer Hanif Kureishi, one of my favourite authors, wrote in an essay about his family in Pakistan a brilliant line that his uncle said: "This country has been sodomised by religion"

    I'd add the army to that.






    I knew more about the military and weapons than I did about makeup  Wink I heard someone once say "All nations have an army. In Pakistan the army has a nation"  Cheesy

    Check this out, I found it today. The nation is fucked but the military makes a new toy, some weird helicopter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwCapCpDkjQ
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #317 - January 15, 2011, 11:22 PM


    Lets pray they dont unleash those deadly weapons on the USA

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #318 - January 15, 2011, 11:34 PM

    lol I think its supposed to be a sort of undercover one-man mission thing. As long as the US keeps giving F-16s the army won't do anything against the US, well not openly lol
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #319 - January 17, 2011, 02:18 PM

    Musharraf says blasphemy law cannot be changed But.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k11u8jUzbo

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #320 - January 17, 2011, 07:46 PM

    Lame...to bad no one has the cahoonas to stand up against religous fundo lunatics. As much as i hate the MQM they are the only liberal secular party that actually has the balls to call spade a spade... but than who am I kidding...

    "Do well and you will have no need for ancestors."...Voltaire
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #321 - February 05, 2011, 12:28 AM

    No Public prosecutor at Taseer murder case hearing  says news
    http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/05/no-prosecutor-at-taseer-murder-case-hearing.html



    Quote
    RAWALPINDI: An anti-terrorism court again expressed concern on Friday on continuing absence of the public prosecutor from the trial of Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed assassin of Punjab governor Salman Taseer, and asked the Islamabad administration to ensure his presence on the next date of hearing.

    ATC-II Special Judge Raja Ikhlaq Ahmed is likely to indict Mumtaz Qadri on Feb 14 and wants the public prosecutor to attend the court that day to assist the court.

    No prosecution lawyer has so far appeared in the case. The Islamabad administration had notified Advocate Saiful Malook as the public prosecutor but he has not turned up in the court and has not cited any reason for his absence.

    According to experts, it will be difficult for the court to formally indict the accused in the absence of a prosecutor.

    The court was to indict Qadri on Feb 1 but his lawyers sought time on the grounds that they wanted to examine the statements of six Elite Force men who were with him in the team deployed for security of the governor.

    On Friday, the Kohsar police handed over copies of the statements to Advocate Raja Shujaur Rehman, who is representing Qadri.

    According to a police officer, the Elite Force personnel stated before a judicial magistrate in Islamabad that Qadri shot dead the governor on Jan 4 when the latter was in his car.

    They said that the firing was so sudden that they could not stop Qadri who handed over his gun to them after killing the governor.

    well that guy   Saiful Malook   the public prosecutor  doesn't want loose his life., So where do we go from here?  Pathetic nation with pathetic government with Pathetic courts..

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #322 - February 05, 2011, 01:01 AM


    I've been re-reading parts of Salman Taseer's sons book. Some very perceptive intelligent stuff there, even more so given his fathers murder. Will try and transcribe some of the good stuff when I get some time, am very busy these days but will try to sit down and do that.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #323 - February 05, 2011, 01:21 AM

    I've been re-reading parts of Salman Taseer's sons book. Some very perceptive intelligent stuff there, even more so given his fathers murder. Will try and transcribe some of the good stuff when I get some time, am very busy these days but will try to sit down and do that.


    can you give us a one paragraph summary?

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #324 - February 05, 2011, 01:26 AM

    Well, its just his encounters with people as he journeys through various Islamic nations as he tries to learn about Islam. He was raised by his Sikh mother in a secular / atheist environment in India and didn't meet his father until he was almost 20. So he wants to learn about Islam prior to seeing his father in Pakistan for the first time in years. But instead of bringing him closer to his father's religion, his encounters with the faith show how distant he is from Islam and how big a gap there is between his way of looking at the world and his father.

    The things I'm talking about are just little vignettes and stories of his experiences that are insightful, his encounters with people and the conversations they have that strike me as very relevant.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #325 - February 05, 2011, 02:35 AM

    ta love

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #326 - February 05, 2011, 03:51 AM

    How sad for Pakistanis not to realize that Pakistan needed US support to stay on the map. Yes, fuck US!  Cheesy

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #327 - June 06, 2011, 11:03 PM

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    I dont normally like saris but she looks good in one!  Ive unquoted the pic, so we can be reminded of what she like whilst she's still alive.  Lets face it, its a privilidege to be a Bhutto & still be breathing.

    Anyhow she once said "I don't believe in birthright politics. I don't think, nor have I ever thought, that my name qualifies me for anything. ”

    she's good here too..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQabTXHFfRc&feature=player_embedded#at=406

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #328 - July 19, 2011, 10:50 PM

    So On that  Punjab Governor who was murdered by a cold heartened Islamic   Baboon ., Salman Taseer's Indian Son   AATISH TASEER write at " Why My Father Hated India" .. in wall street Journal., That heading surprised me a bit.  If I say there was  any  one who liked India as  much as Pakistan in Pakistan ., My answer was always Salman Taseer.   I wonder why Mr. Aatish wrote  like that.. let us read a bit

    Quote
    Ten days before he was assassinated in January, my father, Salman Taseer, sent out a tweet about an Indian rocket that had come down over the Bay of Bengal: "Why does India make fools of themselves messing in space technology? Stick 2 bollywood my advice."
    Quote
    My father was the governor of Punjab, Pakistan's largest province, and his tweet, with its taunt at India's misfortune, would have delighted his many thousands of followers. It fed straight into Pakistan's unhealthy obsession with India, the country from which it was carved in 1947.

     
    my father in Pakistan and my mother in India, grew up around symmetrically violent stories of uprooting and homelessness. But in Pakistan, the partition had another, deeper meaning. It raised big questions, in cultural and civilizational terms, about what its separation from India would mean.

    In the absence of a true national identity, Pakistan defined itself by its opposition to India. It turned its back on all that had been common between Muslims and non-Muslims in the era before partition. Everything came under suspicion, from dress to customs to festivals, marriage rituals and literature. The new country set itself the task of erasing its association with the subcontinent, an association that many came to view as a contamination.


    Had this assertion of national identity meant the casting out of something alien or foreign in favor of an organic or homegrown identity, it might have had an empowering effect. What made it self-wounding, even nihilistic, was that Pakistan, by asserting a new Arabized Islamic identity, rejected its own local and regional culture. In trying to turn its back on its shared past with India, Pakistan turned its back on itself.

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    Mohandas Gandhi visits Muslim refugees in New Delhi as they prepare to depart to Pakistan on Sept. 22, 1947.

    But there was one problem: India was just across the border, and it was still its composite, pluralistic self, a place where nearly as many Muslims lived as in Pakistan. It was a daily reminder of the past that Pakistan had tried to erase.

    Pakistan's existential confusion made itself apparent in the political turmoil of the decades after partition. The state failed to perform a single legal transfer of power; coups were commonplace. And yet, in 1980, my father would still have felt that the partition had not been a mistake, for one critical reason: India, for all its democracy and pluralism, was an economic disaster.

    Pakistan had better roads, better cars; Pakistani businesses were thriving; its citizens could take foreign currency abroad. Compared with starving, socialist India, they were on much surer ground. So what if India had democracy? It had brought nothing but drought and famine.

    But in the early 1990s, a reversal began to occur in the fortunes of the two countries. The advantage that Pakistan had seemed to enjoy in the years after independence evaporated, as it became clear that the quest to rid itself of its Indian identity had come at a price: the emergence of a new and dangerous brand of Islam.

    As India rose, thanks to economic liberalization, Pakistan withered. The country that had begun as a poet's utopia was reduced to ruin and insolvency.

    The primary agent of this decline has been the Pakistani army. The beneficiary of vast amounts of American assistance and money—$11 billion since 9/11—the military has diverted a significant amount of these resources to arming itself against India. In Afghanistan, it has sought neither security nor stability but rather a backyard, which—once the Americans leave—might provide Pakistan with "strategic depth" against India.....
     

    well he wrote lot more that link., I think Aathish got ALL wrong about his father hating India., Just he because he twitted with words like "Why does India make fools of themselves messing in space technology? Stick 2 bollywood my advice.... doesn't mean he hates India..

    Although he puts out facts on SOME SECTIONS  people of Pakistan  I think the heading should have been different..

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  • Re: Pakistan's Punjab Governor assassinated
     Reply #329 - October 01, 2011, 10:09 AM

    So Today's news says this Baboon gets death sentence in Salman Taseer’s murder.
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    ISLAMABAD: An Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) awarded death penalty to Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri on Saturday, DawnNews reported. Mr Taseer was assassinated by his security guard and personnel of Punjab Elite Force, Mumtaz Qadri, on January 4, 2011 at Kohsar Market in Islamabad.

    “The court has awarded my client with death. The court announced the death sentence for him,” Shujaur Rehman, one of Qadri’s lawyers, told AFP by telephone. Judge Pervez Ali Shah announced the verdict at the court behind closed doors in the high-security Adiyala prison in Rawalpindi, the lawyer said.

    Dozens of people rallied outside the prison where the verdict was announced, chanting slogans in support of Qadri, an AFP photographer said. Qadri had earlier confessed in court that he had killed Punjab governor Salman Taseer for his ‘blasphemous’ statements.


    Let us see where we go from there........

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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