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 Topic: To troll, or not to troll?

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  • To troll, or not to troll?
     OP - January 05, 2011, 05:31 AM

    After perusing the thread on recent forays into sunniforum.com, I was reminded of an old trollish thought I had one day while seeing a billboard on the highway advertizing an 800 number (US toll free) for those with questions on Islam sponsored by some dawah group. So I thought, wow, I should really call them up with all of my questions! Alas, I felt pity for the soul who would answer the call, and decided against it.

    My question is, have you ever trolled, where, and what was your experience like? Would you call an Islam line or do an online chat with someone there to help you convert to Islam or for general information? Why or why not?

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #1 - January 05, 2011, 06:05 AM

    I don't like trolls. They are a health hazard. They are bad of blood pressure!  Old geezer

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #2 - January 05, 2011, 08:04 AM

    My question is, have you ever trolled, where, and what was your experience like?

    I once registered on Aryan Nation and told them I was Jewish. Does that count?  grin12

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #3 - January 05, 2011, 08:13 AM

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    I once registered on Aryan Nation sunniforum and told them I was Jewish. Does that count?


    ^^ This should definitely count!  Afro

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #4 - January 05, 2011, 09:07 AM

    You know what Aryan Nation is?

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #5 - January 05, 2011, 09:10 AM

    osmanthus, you are a hero to me and I know what Aryan Nation is. Did you do some trolling at stormfront etc.?

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #6 - January 05, 2011, 09:29 AM

    Yeah, I was trolled a muslim by asking whether it was sunnat to sleep with 9 years olds (btw I never got a straight answer)

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #7 - January 05, 2011, 09:42 AM

    I like to do passive trolling: while hanging out in chatrooms I sometimes get approached by religious people trying to convert me, and then I do not waste the chance to drive them nuts with deeply inquisitive questions until they start insulting me and leave in pure anger ^_^

    Years ago it was mostly Christians who tried this, nowadays it's Muslims 99% of the time.
    And, to be honest, trolling Muslim preachers is way easier because Christians are generally way more patient with their "peace and love, but I am better than you" attitude, while most Muslims are full of rage.

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #8 - January 05, 2011, 10:26 AM

    I troll to my islamic studies teachers all the time. I go on with: Hey,  Evolution take that! Hey, do u wanna burn ur son forever just cuz he didn't kiss ass u! Hey, painting is haram huh? what do u think of the manga i just drew  Smiley of course I don't go all slang with them. But the result were:
    1- my classmate keeping on calling me kafir (in a soft way)
    2-being scolded dozen of times by the teachers and getting sometimes embaresed.
    3- The big  funny one for me was when the teacher told my dad to censor what I'm reading  Cheesy I mean for real Huh?

    <AliIsAli>: in ur sharia law, am i to be killed???
    <ghutlu>: Yes sure sure u should 4 firstly Being Ex muslim
     <ghutlu>:  for leaving ISLAM
     <AliIsAli>: would u kill me if u saw me?
     <ghutlu>: yes surely
     <AliIsAli>: :(
     <ghutlu>: by the way gay is just a mental problem
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #9 - January 05, 2011, 01:13 PM

    lol Ali.. That remind me of one of my trolling in school days.

    Once I was in Islamiaat class, and teacher told me that it is absolutely haram to do any prayer at noon time. I told her, we are studying Islaamiat, and it is the noon time. And I got a strong slap on my face from her.

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #10 - January 05, 2011, 05:03 PM

    I went into a Muslim chatroom one day because I was bored. Told someone straight away that I'm an ex-Muslim, and he ended up being a quite liberal Muslim. We had a pretty cool conversation, albeit he was a bit apologetic and ignorant about his religion.

    This some other person gave salaam to me while I was in the middle of the conversation with that guy, and I apologised saying that I'm busy, and that person told me off for not answering his salaam! Cheesy I told him I'm not a Muslim, and he was like "I'm sorry you're not a Muslim, goodbye!" Cheesy

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #11 - January 05, 2011, 05:50 PM

    I would troll, especially since it is free for you (they take the charges) and start trolling all day long Smiley... start your story as a catholic who is seeking to understand other religions since the priest pedophilia scandals have put a huge question mark in your faith...

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #12 - January 06, 2011, 05:06 AM

    I once registered on Aryan Nation and told them I was Jewish. Does that count?  grin12



    Technically, yes, because I wasn't specific enough. I meant trolling dealing with Muslims. I bet that was fun though!

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #13 - January 06, 2011, 05:15 AM

    I once registered on Aryan Nation and told them I was Jewish. Does that count?  grin12



    You'll enjoy this then.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35--Jro6LOY


    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #14 - January 06, 2011, 05:36 AM

    I used to troll on Yahoo Answers, Ramadan section. It's full of Muslim teenagers mostly and I was hoping to make some impact on their thinking with my questions. I hope I got a few of them to think a bit. I would recommend it if you get bored and want to shake some people up a bit (politely, I hope!). The Religion and Spirituality section is good too, with a mix of believers and evil infidels included there. And for the political minded, my fave was the Israel section.

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #15 - January 06, 2011, 06:21 AM

    Yes, it was fun. The Nazis were mightily pissed. No sense of humour at all.

    I've seen the Safran vid before too. It's a classic. Afro

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #16 - January 06, 2011, 07:33 AM

    I troll all the time.
    I go to Gay chatroom and state "KILL ALL FAGS" in large font
    I go to Black chatroom and state "which one of you niggers stole my bike?"
    I go on ratedesi and write funny stuff on their profile. ex "sup fatty?" "You have a big forehead and red eyes. deal with it." "sup sexy beech."
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #17 - January 06, 2011, 12:25 PM

    Idiot.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #18 - January 06, 2011, 12:55 PM

    rationalthinke is a troll trolling a thread about trolling.

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #19 - January 06, 2011, 01:00 PM

     Cheesy

    "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife."
    ~ Douglas Adams
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #20 - January 06, 2011, 01:51 PM

    One thing I have been very tempted to do, but haven't quite got round to it, is to go to Islamic fatwa websites and ask some seemingly innocuous questions pretending to be a Muslim who is beginning to think critically about Islamic dogma.
    Questions like:
    • The evidence for evolution seems compelling to me.  Can I take the whole 'Adam-and-Eve' story metaphorically?
    • The miracles of the prophets seem highly implausible.  Can I assume they were just myths or dreams passed on from generation to generation?
    • I do not like many things that the Prophet Muhammad did, like the sex with 9 year old Aisha, and the Banu Qurayza massacre.  Can we just see Muhammad as merely man of his time and not take him as the 'perfect role model' for all humanity for all time?
    • Sharia punishments like stoning to death, and chopping off limbs, etc, seem barbaric.  Do they have to be followed even in the 21st century?
    • To what extent should Muslims living in the West obey the law of the land?  What if the law (like compulsory car insurance) requires doing something haram?
    • Why aren't Muslims allowed to think critically and ask awkward questions about their faith?


    In fact, I once comtemplated phoning in live on a Ramadhan Radio programme to express my feelings.  Perhaps even to drop the bombshell that I'm an ex-Muslim.  Tongue

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #21 - January 06, 2011, 01:54 PM

    That isn't really trolling imo, its undercover investigation.
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #22 - January 06, 2011, 01:59 PM

    ^  True. Smiley   I was going to add that.
    I can't do proper trolling.  It's just not my style. Smiley

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #23 - January 06, 2011, 02:04 PM



    LMAO!  Cheesy

    "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife."
    ~ Douglas Adams
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #24 - January 06, 2011, 02:05 PM

    One thing I have been very tempted to do, but haven't quite got round to it, is to go to Islamic fatwa websites and ask some seemingly innocuous questions pretending to be a Muslim who is beginning to think critically about Islamic dogma.
    Questions like:
    • The evidence for evolution seems compelling to me.  Can I take the whole 'Adam-and-Eve' story metaphorically?
    • The miracles of the prophets seem highly implausible.  Can I assume they were just myths or dreams passed on from generation to generation?
    • I do not like many things that the Prophet Muhammad did, like the sex with 9 year old Aisha, and the Banu Qurayza massacre.  Can we just see Muhammad as merely man of his time and not take him as the 'perfect role model' for all humanity for all time?
    • Sharia punishments like stoning to death, and chopping off limbs, etc, seem barbaric.  Do they have to be followed even in the 21st century?
    • To what extent should Muslims living in the West obey the law of the land?  What if the law (like compulsory car insurance) requires doing something haram?

    you should add these to the awkward questions to ask muslims thread

    Quote
    In fact, I once comtemplated phoning in live on a Ramadhan Radio programme to express my feelings.  Perhaps even to drop the bombshell that I'm an ex-Muslim.  Tongue

    I would love to hear their reaction!

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #25 - January 06, 2011, 02:08 PM

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    Trolls - The Master Manipulators

    This article is intended for the curious reader or novice troll. Actual trolls are much too varied and their tactics far too expansive and spontaneous to ever possibly attempt to categorize or place them into any type of neat little lists full of vague descriptions. Also, although this article will focus and pay special attention to the cyber-phenomenon commonly referred to as "Newsgroup Trolling", it's relevant in regards to trolls on any venue.

    Despite the fact that trolling as an art may have been perfected in Usenet, trolls have always been around in one form of another since the inception of the internet. Everything from chatrooms, newsgroups, message boards, mailing list, and in almost any social environment where cyber-citizens gather are common places to find trolls. In fact, many of the former usenet exclusive players in the game of trolling have already expanded into other venues. Including the forum located on the very website you're reading right now.

    The particular venue that a troll chooses as the location to operate on is a matter of preference or opportunity and only differs in which tactics will be applied, yet the end goal is always the same, to create various forms of disruptions or simply to attract attention.

    What exactly is an internet troll? The basic definition for a troll is any remark designed to attract predictable responses, actions, or flames. It can be argued that any flame is a form of trolling, however all troll posts are not necessarily flames. Insults and flames, while very effective, are simply one element of trolling. The term troll derives from the phrase "trolling for victims" which in turn comes from mainstream trolling. Mainstream trolling is to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat. The particular bait used by a newsgroup troll varies depending on his targets and intentions. Trolling can mean a lot of things to different people, and the methods employed by trolls can also be applied to other areas as well. However, the term "trolling" in the context of this article refers to the most common form of trolling; which is trolling for entertainment purposes and treating it as a game. Like all games, there is a goal. Trolling is not that dis-similar to a typical Role Playing Game. In this game the Trolls are the predators/villains while the civilians are unarmed participants to be manipulated and controlled as the troll sees fit.

    However, caution should be took in separating the recreational trolls from the psycho trolls. Psycho trolls generally stay in the same newsgroup or a related community of newsgroups for extremely long periods of time. As opposed to those trolling for recreation, psycho trolls are generally out for revenge against a select few, or maybe everyone, who he feels has done him wrong. Psycho trolls often are mentally or emotional disturbed and may not even realize that they're trolling. To psycho trolls, what happens on the internet is very real and personal. On rare occasions real trolls will also fall into the above category and will possess the same traits. These are the sore-losers and bottom feeders of the troll community.

    The most basic form of trolling is to submit a post that will attract the most possible amount of responses, negative or argumentative replies usually preferred, and then to sit back and bask in the chaos that has been created. This troll is simply out for immediate scoreboard and a quick win is enough to satisfy him. The tactic is basic, relatively uncreative, and only touches the surface of what a troll can really do; yet its effective in accomplishing its singular task--to attract attention and garner as many responses as possible. The content delivered by this type of troll generally falls into several areas; It may consist of an obviously foolish opposition of common knowledge, many intentional offensive insults or flames directed to the readers of a community, or a blanket generation on a specific category which is sure to attract a large number of argumentative replies.

    While these trolls may be completely satisfied with just getting a desired reaction to his bait, and therefore consider it a "victory", a more well rounded and creative troll-job will encompass much more time and effort. Victory or winning for a troll depends on his particular goal. Depending on the desired goal a troll may not be content with an easy victory and choose to expand his exploits to the next level. Exactly what pursuit the next level turns out to be, is entirely up to the imagination and ability of the troll. The options are almost limitless.

    Another type of troll worth mention is the "post whore". A post whore is a post-humping nuisance whose only purpose is simply to annoy by sheer volume of submitted post. They are intentionally aiming at being a pest. The post whore is generally looked down upon by most trolls and is often referred to as a spammer. They posses very limited verbal ability and are easily taken apart by flamers and civilians alike. Post whores do not possess the talent, personality, patience, or intelligence to troll using any form of advanced tactics. The true spammer on the other hand takes this one step further. Spamming is usually the exploits of the lowest caliber of troll. However, community based retaliation or mass attacks on civilian territories in an organized trolling venture are the exception to this rule. They lack creativity, but can create extreme chaos in quick order.

    The experienced troll spends time carefully choosing the right subjects and delivering his bait to the appropriate communities. The most effective trolls will often posses very advanced flaming and/or debate ability in-order to aid and further his trolling potential. Just be sure to keep in mind that although there are many similarities and most flamers do troll, flamers are generally not trolls. Yet many advanced trolls are expert flamers. These master trolls employ the most advanced tactics and strategy and the art involved with trolling is taken seriously(Sometimes too seriously). Yet regardless of whether the troll is novice or advanced, the overall strategy can take several weeks or months to develop. It all depends on the trolls ability and what level he wants to take the troll to. This troll effort can also involve a number of people acting together as a unified group.

    Now that we know what trolls are and have learned a little about a few different types of trolls, here comes the inevitable question..."why do trolls do what they do"? There are many reasons why people troll forums. Despite popular belief among many civilians, trolls are not all disgruntled, bitter, immature teens taking out their aggression on the innocent in-order to feel better about themselves by inflecting harm onto others. In-fact, many trolls are highly intelligent, witty, humorous, "normal", and quite friendly when in neutral settings. However as mentioned previously, caution should be took when separating the psycho trolls from the recreational trolls!

    To get attention, causing disruptions, annoy people, or general chaos are almost always at the top of a trolls agenda. Yet as hard as it might be to believe, it's all done in the name of good light-hearted fun. It cannot be stressed enough that trolling is a game. In-order for this game of trolling to take place players are a mandatory ingredient. Some players are willing, others are unknowingly thrust into this game. As a civilian one will often serve as a pawn. You're not real, you're simply a digital abstraction to be used and manipulated. Still, rarely are recreational trolls out to hurt anyone or cause any real suffering. Remember, trolls can only upset you if you let them. After-all, it's only harmless words on a screen.


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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #26 - January 06, 2011, 02:12 PM



    Reminds me of this skit.  Cheesy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHFUH_frhBw

    "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife."
    ~ Douglas Adams
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #27 - January 06, 2011, 02:15 PM

    Quote
    However, caution should be took in separating the recreational trolls from the psycho trolls. Psycho trolls generally stay in the same newsgroup or a related community of newsgroups for extremely long periods of time. As opposed to those trolling for recreation, psycho trolls are generally out for revenge against a select few, or maybe everyone, who he feels has done him wrong. Psycho trolls often are mentally or emotional disturbed and may not even realize that they're trolling. To psycho trolls, what happens on the internet is very real and personal. On rare occasions real trolls will also fall into the above category and will possess the same traits. These are the sore-losers and bottom feeders of the troll community.

    sounds like digdug

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  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #28 - January 06, 2011, 02:20 PM

     Afro

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: To troll, or not to troll?
     Reply #29 - January 06, 2011, 02:23 PM

    Why do you have an avatar of a nekkid chick holding a golf club?

    fuck you
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