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  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #660 - February 10, 2011, 05:16 PM


    Just seen on the BBC News website that he may be stepping down. Well done Egyptians. Now is just the beginning of the long path.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #661 - February 10, 2011, 05:25 PM

    By the way, hope its not a bait-and-switch, or an army coup.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #662 - February 10, 2011, 05:29 PM

    Just seen on the BBC News website that he may be stepping down. Well done Egyptians. Now is just the beginning of the long path.



    Good news.. good news..

    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90033934?BREAKING%20NEWS%3A%20Mubarak%20rumored%20to%20step%20down%20as%20soon%20as%20today


    Well Egyptian folks may able to remove Mubarak but they can not remove Arny Brasses that are on top., A quick elections with proper CONSTITUTION IS MUST for progress.. Other wise it will be water shed ., I say that Google guy , quite smart guy must step in..   these old buggers should get out.. any one 0ver 50 years should be made NOT TO ENTER POLITICS in Islamic nations..  ..lol..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #663 - February 10, 2011, 06:19 PM

    By the way, hope its not a bait-and-switch, or an army coup.




    I hope the army backs El baradei to take over for now until the elections  Smiley
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #664 - February 10, 2011, 06:24 PM


    Well Egyptian folks may able to remove Mubarak but they can not remove Arny Brasses that are on top., A quick elections with proper CONSTITUTION IS MUST for progress.. Other wise it will be water shed ., I say that Google guy , quite smart guy must step in..   these old buggers should get out.. any one 0ver 50 years should be made NOT TO ENTER POLITICS in Islamic nations..  ..lol..


    I don't know what Egypt's constitution is but obviously its skewed into allowing people like Mubarak reign.

    You are right yeezeevee......the true liberation will be after a long process of creating a new constitution and blueprint with checks and balances and inviolable principles. The constitution is the key.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #665 - February 10, 2011, 07:34 PM

    I don't know what Egypt's constitution is............
    ............the true liberation will be after a long process of creating a new constitution and blueprint with checks and balances and inviolable principles. The constitution is the key.


    Quote
    http://www.uam.es/otroscentros/medina/egypt/egypolcon.htm

    THE CONSTITUTION OF THE   ARAB REPUBLIC OF EGYPT
    (After the Amendments Ratified on May 22, 1980 Referendum - Partial Reproduction)


    here is some 80 pages of The Constitution Of The Arab Republic of Egypt
    http://www.elshoura.gov.eg/shoura_en/const_pdf/eng_const.PDF

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #666 - February 10, 2011, 09:27 PM

    He's still refusing to go.  :(

    Apparently the crowds are so angry and marching towards the presidential palace which is heavily guarded.  I  hope the army don't turn on them.  wacko

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #667 - February 10, 2011, 10:18 PM

    Oh dear. All that optimism was premature. King Canute doesn't want to leave the beach - he still thinks he can order the tide about.

    Tyrants and dictators really are the worst of the narcissists aren't they.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #668 - February 10, 2011, 10:46 PM

    In continuing to remain put I'm not sure who Mubarak is trying to defy the most - the people or foreign intervention?  Huh?

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #669 - February 10, 2011, 11:31 PM

    lol on another political forum I post in a lot of people were watching it live on AJE, these were some of their reactions.

    Quote
    Yeah he's talking about 'implementing' stuff. He is not stepping down.

    Love the way AJE is cross-fading Mubarak's audio w/ the crowd's audio. All I can hear in the BG is BOOOOOOO!


    Quote
    Yeah, they were all thumbs-downing Gladiator style. Sick cooler.


    Quote
    Amazing. This guy has no conscience.


    Quote
    Over/Under on the number of structure fires around tahrir square tonight?


    Quote
    omfg leave, you deluded megalomaniac!

    damn, crowd chanting "Leave!" in a frenzy as Mubarak lists his biographical accomplishments and personal virtues!


    Quote
    Someone needs to psychoanalyze this guy. There has to be some incredible narcissism/delusion behind listing his resume for the plebs, talking about the 'happiest day of his life', and so on, in this context

    .

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    ROFL mubarek: I will not be the subject of foreign pressure.

    Ya dude, that's exactly what this was.


    Quote
    Not lifting the emergency law, either. Dudes probably not going to give up until he gets lynched.




    Quote
    Gonna be an interesting weekend over there. They will march on the palace, they will not stop until he's gone. If they keep their heads, its another Indian independence moment.

    Of course there will be blood on the streets, I just hope its low.


    Quote
    And fridays are always the days when people have turned out in the greatest numbers. He's got to be ****ing insane making that announcment on a Thursday night.


    Quote
    "Do not listen to satellite TV-stations!" lol I like this Omar guy!





    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #670 - February 11, 2011, 01:25 AM

     015

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #671 - February 11, 2011, 04:42 AM

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/11/egypt-protests-hosni-mubarak-suleiman


    Quote

    Mostafa Hussein, a rights activist aged 30, said: "It's hard to describe my emotions. I have to admit I feel anxious about the future. I worry the military will try to control the country with an iron fist. The only thing I can be certain of is that they won't open fire and try to kill us en masse."

    But he remained optimistic. "What you have to understand is that Egypt changed forever on 25 January. The moment we took to the streets in large numbers and beat back Mubarak's police, this revolution was triumphant."

    "Whatever comes next, the politicians know the people can mobilise in an instant," Hussein added. "The dismantling of the regime started on that day, and it continues with the strikes that have swept the country recently. We are seeing a withering away of the state as we know it ... Beyond that, we just don't know."



    I find the bold a hopeful, optimistic [perhaps overly so] point. But its not irrelevant, or negligible either. I dont think think things will be easy from here on out, they may be severely bloody, but its far from over. far from it.

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #672 - February 11, 2011, 04:45 AM


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #673 - February 11, 2011, 04:47 AM

    Quote
    mosaaberizing Mosa'ab Elshamy
     by monaeltahawy
    Someone wrote on a wall "Speak to me. I might understand you more than Mubarak". #Tahrir


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #674 - February 11, 2011, 04:51 AM

    Quote
    Port_Sa3eedy: I will Mobarak you to the wall--- The term Mobarak is new vocabulary which means ''Sticking to something'' #Jan25 #Egypt lol



    dance

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #675 - February 11, 2011, 04:52 AM

     Tongue

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #676 - February 11, 2011, 04:53 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MgCziE-Qxg&feature=youtu.be

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #677 - February 11, 2011, 05:00 AM

    ^ Smiley

    A lot rests in the hands of the military now.

    Quote
    The military needs to isolate Mubarak and help install a national unity government which has representatives of every group and class, including some military officers, but not dominated by them. In the end the army needs to move out of politics. But before then it has the choice between facilitating change or blocking it, with possibly bloody results. Like the rest of Egypt, the army must break with the past.


    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #678 - February 11, 2011, 05:03 AM

    The military won't move out of politics or rather it will have to be a long and difficult surgery to remove them because they are very much intertwined with a lot of facets of Egypt's economy.  It can be done though.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #679 - February 11, 2011, 05:06 AM

    Yes but Mubarak's refusal to stand down means that the army will have to crack down on either the egyptian people, or the government.

    I'm not sure which way it will go.

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #680 - February 11, 2011, 05:17 AM

    I wish them all the best though.  Because of the time difference I'll probably be asleep when all of this is going down. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #681 - February 11, 2011, 05:24 AM

    http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/2/10/people_have_found_their_voice_acclaimed_egyptian_writer_ahdaf_soueif_on_the_egyptian_uprising

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #682 - February 11, 2011, 05:25 AM

    glenn beck on the egyptian people:  dance Cheesy

    Quote
    The regular people in Egypt – I'm sorry they might be nice people, but they are not the people of the American Revolution – and I have been trying to make this point that you have to be much different, even than we are, to be able to have revolution and to have it end the way it ended here. Their concept of freedom is different than yours. Let's not be judgmental and say that it's … No, I'm going to be judgmental – it sucks compared to our idea of freedom!



    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #683 - February 11, 2011, 05:38 AM

    Responding to the worst speech ever:

    http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/10/responding_to_the_worst_speech_ever?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d547ab2c4f4910a,0

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #684 - February 11, 2011, 05:46 AM

    I though this was relevant and moving, especially considering the massive role twitter, facebook and the internet in general have played in the Egypt protests :

    Quote

    15 years ago, John Perry Barlow published this declaration, a prophetic message that resonates just as strong today.

    The declaration of Independence of Cyberspace

    Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

    We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral
    right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.

    Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do  you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public
    construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.

    You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.

    You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social
    Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.

    Cyberspace consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications.  Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.

    We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.

    We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.

    Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are based on matter, There is no matter here.

    Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognise is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis.  But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.

    In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Jefferson, Washington, Mill, Madison, DeToqueville, and Brandeis. These dreams must now be born anew in us.

    You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.

    In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of Cyberspace. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in
    bit-bearing media.

    Your increasingly obsolete information industries would perpetuate themselves by proposing laws, in America and elsewhere, that claim to own speech itself throughout the world. These laws would declare ideas to be another industrial product, no more noble than pig iron. In our world, whatever the human mind may create can be reproduced and distributed infinitely at no cost. The global conveyance of thought no longer requires your factories to accomplish.

    These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.

    We will create a civilisation of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before.

    Davos, Switzerland
    February 8, 1996



    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/20112971628223660.html

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #685 - February 11, 2011, 12:13 PM

    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/html/pdf/pollock-Egyptpoll.pdf

    relevant findings:

    Quote
    •This is not an Islamic uprising. The Muslim Brotherhood is “approved” by just 15%, and its leaders get barely
    1% in a presiden;al straw vote. Asked to pick na;onal priori;es, just 12% choose shariah over na;onal power,
    democracy, or economic development. Asked to explain the uprising, economic condi;ons, corrup;on, and
    unemployment (30‐40% each) far outpace “regime not Islamic enough” (7%).
    •Surprisingly, asked two different ways about the peace treaty with Israel, more support it (37%) than oppose
    it (22%). Only 18% approve of either Hamas or Iran. And a mere 5% say the uprising occurred because the
    regime is “too pro‐Israel.”
    •El Baradei has very li\le popular support in a presiden;al straw vote (4%), far outpaced by Amr Musa (29%)
    But Mubarak and Omar Suleiman each get 18%.
    •A narrow plurality (36% vs. 29%) say Egypt should have good rela;ons with the U.S. And just 8% say the
    uprising is against a “too pro‐American regime.” S;ll, something over half disapprove of our handling of this
    crisis and say they don’t trust the U.S. at all


    the phone survery was only 383 people, but it's an interesting find nonetheless.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #686 - February 11, 2011, 12:24 PM

    Egypt's Muslim Brothers reject 'idea of a religious state'

    The Muslim Brotherhood pledged Wednesday it does not aim to seize power in Egypt, in an apparent bid to soothe Western fears of an Islamist takeover amid massive protests against President Hosni Mubarak.

    The Islamist movement remains Egypt's most powerful organised opposition but has taken a back seat in the demonstrations demanding the overthrow of Mubarak, which are led by Egypt's youth largely disillusioned with traditional politics.

    "The Muslim Brotherhood does not seek power. We do not want to participate at the moment," senior leader Mohammed Mursi told reporters. "We will not put forward a candidate for the presidency."

    Western and Israeli observers have expressed fear the officially banned but tolerated movement could seize power, replace a key US ally with an Iran-style Islamic republic and scrap Egypt's 1979 peace treaty with Israel.

    But Essam al-Erian, another senior member who spoke at the same press conference, insisted the group only wanted free and fair democratic elections.

    "Why is there this fear of the Muslim Brotherhood? Nothing can justify this fear of Islam. We reject the idea of a religious state."

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=44225

    They KNOW the majority of Egyptians don't want a theocracy.
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #687 - February 11, 2011, 12:44 PM

    Quote
    "Why is there this fear of the Muslim Brotherhood?


    Only a disingenuous ideologue seeking to innoculate his ideology from scrutiny equates dislike of religious politics as 'fear'



    Quote
    "Why is there this fear of the Muslim Brotherhood? Nothing can justify this fear of Islam. We reject the idea of a religious state."



    Islam justifies criticism of itself, criticism which is rational and logical. Only a believer who thinks that everyone who is not a Muslim is a dunce in denial of the absolute truth of Islam would mis-describe that as 'fear' because of their cognitive dissonance in relation to their delusions and the reality of the world as it is.


    Quote
    We reject the idea of a religious state."



    For now. The Brotherhood plays the long game, and power is sought through incremental gradual Islamisation.

    Anyway, the Ikhwan is just one strand of Egyptian political society.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #688 - February 11, 2011, 01:52 PM

     Someone has hacked the site of the Cairo NDP, Hosni Mubarak's party. The site now reads:

    Closed until dropping Mubarak & the regime

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Egypt protests: Three reported dead in 'day of revolt'
     Reply #689 - February 11, 2011, 01:59 PM

    this?

    http://www.cairondp.org/new/
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