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 Topic: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution

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  • Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     OP - January 31, 2011, 11:36 PM

    There's a turkish group consists of a few creationist muslim guys, organizing conferences all around the world (Europe and Asia) regarding "collapse of evolution". One guy who supports them keeps posting pictures  (trolling in fact) in a Turkish atheist forum. The pictures in question were taken in these "conferences" . He's commenting below the pictures: "Country by country, we'll conquer this world and spread the truth", "Evolution is dying, nobody believes it anymore", "Evolutionists are shocked, trying to recover, here's the proof, here's the real science!" or such nonsense.

    He updates his thread of ignorance several times a week, posting new pictures of speakers and audience from what he called conferences. Of course everybody flames him, as every rational guy would do, i'm also a member in aforementioned forum and i criticized him as well but he never listens and keeps posting those pictures with his funny comments Smiley So we stopped arguing him, we just laugh at him and his pictures after pages of discussions, questions and his funny answers to us (or no answers most of the time). Basically all he does is citing the Atlas of Creation from Harun Yahya.

    What puzzles me is the level of his ignorance and the enthusiasm comes from it. He's still posting pictures and writing stuff so passionately you guys should see. The forum thread in question: (looks like i can't post links)

    Let me share of the pictures he posted: (i'm not allowed to post images as well)

    This guy is probably somehow working with the people who organizes the "conferences" and i know some of the speakers, they're famous Turkish creationists with sub 90 IQs, still claiming that there are transition form fossils. They are the crew of infamous Harun Yahya, author of the book "Creation of Atlas" which Richard Dawkins addresses in one of his videos.

    So my question is this: Can't we do something to prevent these douche bags' spreading false information and brain washings? (Well in fact the audience looks to be already brainwashed and potential suicide bombers but anyway). Isn't there a way to fight these people within the border of law? If there is then what is it? Certainly they exploit the freedom of speech, as every individual should be able to say what he/she thinks and propagate but isn't this something unrelated to freedom of speech? What they're doing is mixing science with religion, explaining biology by citing holy book. They are not biologists, they're radical muslims and they shouldn't be allowed to organize such events at least in EU as all they do is lying about science. I believe something can be done to prevent Harun Yahya and his crew. As he'll keep exploiting every hole in the system if we don't stop him soon. Few years ago he had the court ban the Richard Dawkin's official website in all Turkey by suing his website for being "offensive against religion and morals". And the website is still blocked if i'm not mistaken.

    I'm so ashamed that this guy is from my country.
  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #1 - January 31, 2011, 11:44 PM

    Welcome to the forum! Introduce yourself please!



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  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #2 - January 31, 2011, 11:48 PM

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    I'm so ashamed that this guy is from my country.

    Hosgeldin kardes!  dance
    Harun Yahya.. The notorious, infamous creationist, cult leader and perhaps womanizer (considering the amount of chicks swarming around him, thinking he is tha Mahdi Tongue )
    Like with anything else, a little, just a minimal amount, of rational thought, of science immediately debunks all his creationist, "scientific miracle", "mason/illuminati" conspiracy (+what not) videos.
    In fact, the blatant flaws in his reasoning is so obvious,- even many Muslims know what kind of garbage he spreads. (I know Muslims around me who think he's BS.)

    Oh, please open a topic at introductions!
  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #3 - February 01, 2011, 12:11 AM

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    So my question is this: Can't we do something to prevent these douche bags' spreading false information and brain washings? (Well in fact the audience looks to be already brainwashed and potential suicide bombers but anyway). Isn't there a way to fight these people within the border of law? If there is then what is it? Certainly they exploit the freedom of speech, as every individual should be able to say what he/she thinks and propagate but isn't this something unrelated to freedom of speech? What they're doing is mixing science with religion, explaining biology by citing holy book. They are not biologists, they're radical muslims and they shouldn't be allowed to organize such events at least in EU as all they do is lying about science. I believe something can be done to prevent Harun Yahya and his crew. As he'll keep exploiting every hole in the system if we don't stop him soon. Few years ago he had the court ban the Richard Dawkin's official website in all Turkey by suing his website for being "offensive against religion and morals". And the website is still blocked if i'm not mistaken.

    I'm so ashamed that this guy is from my country.


    The easiest way is to have them explain their views with a evolutionary or regular biologist at hand.  Ask them to explain clearly what they feel are the issues with it and some examples.  I can grantee that every example has been debunked 100000000000000000000X on youtube.  Pseudo science works off of emotions, of self proclamation and self hysteria.  Ask them if any articles have been submitted to any scientific journals for review etc.  Once you get them out of the "OMGZZZZ EVOUTION MEANS MONEKEYS!!" and start getting down to facts such as articles submitted for publication, logical analysis, etc it becomes a jumbled mess of bullshit. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #4 - February 01, 2011, 06:44 AM

    usually what i do is ask the creationist, 'ok, evolution is bullshit. how does this help prove god's existence?'.

    seriously, why are some theists so hung up about whether evolution is true or not. god's existence doesn't lie upon that one single theory's falseness...
  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #5 - February 01, 2011, 06:59 AM

    Good point, Colon! Before round earth, before heliocentric universe, before earth's age in billions and long before other such things there were atheists and people who knew that religion is bs! I love you.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #6 - February 01, 2011, 09:08 AM

    They seem to have the default position of "If god exists then it must be Allah", which is why they always want to argue about large issues like evolution or unknowns like the existence of the universe - when you fail to end the argument on an agreement they go away with their beliefs in tact.

    Rather than starting at god I like to start at the other end, religion.  There have been thousands of religions and gods throughout history, prove to me Islam has anything to do with god.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #7 - February 01, 2011, 01:50 PM

    Just tell him if evolution is false then earth is also flat (as per quran 18:83-18:90)

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  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #8 - February 01, 2011, 03:32 PM

    Rather than starting at god I like to start at the other end, religion.  There have been thousands of religions and gods throughout history, prove to me Islam has anything to do with god.


    That's 99% of the time followed by the miraculousness of the quran (both the eloquence and the oh so accurate science contained in it).
    Debunking that science in quran means implying muhammad was not a prophet (as he was not divinely inspired), which is pretty much a waste of time, because that's not gonna happen.

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  • Re: Muslim group organizes conferences around the globe about collapse of evolution
     Reply #9 - February 15, 2011, 12:43 PM

    I want to see some links Cheesy, I need a good laugh today.

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