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  • Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     OP - February 01, 2011, 05:18 PM
    I captured it for those of you who missed it or cannot watch iplayer in your country.

    It's a tv programme about people who have not made a will because of some undiscussed obstacle.  One of the two families is a Muslim couple who have 2 girls and 1 boy and feel uncomfortable about leaving their son double that of their daughters.

    I won't write any spoilers Smiley  But do watch it, their journey in trying to reconcile their religious beliefs with what they "feel" is right was very interesting!


    http://www.filedropper.com/canttakeitwithyou
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #1 - February 01, 2011, 05:21 PM
    downloading now..  but wanted to say that this ""to reconcile their religious beliefs with what they "feel" is right "" is just dead on!.. so many religious people i know struggle with it,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV9vdUjuWxc
  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #2 - February 01, 2011, 05:29 PM
    Here's the iPlayer link (UK Only): http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00y4x9c/Cant_Take_It_with_You_Sons_and_Daughters/
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #3 - February 01, 2011, 05:35 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 01, 2011, 05:18 PM
    I captured it for those of you who missed it or cannot watch iplayer in your country.

    It's a tv programme about people who have not made a will because of some undiscussed obstacle.  One of the two families is a Muslim couple who have 2 girls and 1 boy and feel uncomfortable about leaving their son double that of their daughters.

    I won't write any spoilers Smiley  But do watch it, their journey in trying to reconcile their religious beliefs with what they "feel" is right was very interesting!


    http://www.filedropper.com/canttakeitwithyou


    Yes - I watched that too - you can almost hear a 'snap' sound as they are confronted with the conflict.

    Very interesting - and credit to them for being able to handle it with such maturity. Few Muslims can - and that's the problem.
  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #4 - February 04, 2011, 11:28 AM
    They obviously felt that Sharia was unfair, I remember seeing the absolute joy as they were given a way of leaving their children equal amounts and yet still feeling they were not contradicting the black and white text in their Quran.  The bit I really loved though is when the wife said (paraphrased) "That's great!  Now....how do we sort out this bit where I get less than my son?" and the guy from the university said "You can't".  It was as if she had just discovered she had been stabbed in the heart by a loved one.

    Funny how they stuck to the letter of the law, but added provisos so that what they did looked absolutely nothing like the letter of the law Smiley
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #5 - February 04, 2011, 02:08 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on February 01, 2011, 05:29 PM
    Here's the iPlayer link (UK Only): http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00y4x9c/Cant_Take_It_with_You_Sons_and_Daughters/

    OMG!  I know that guy Khalid, he's a dentist who I have known since I was a kid. 
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #6 - February 04, 2011, 02:11 PM
    I saw the seeds of apostasy until that Oxford guy managed to come up with a way of excusing them doing the exact opposite of what they should do.

    Maybe you should talk to him about it :-)
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #7 - February 04, 2011, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 04, 2011, 11:28 AM
    the guy from the university said "You can't".


    That guy was Tariq Ramadan.
  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #8 - February 04, 2011, 02:17 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 04, 2011, 02:16 PM
    That guy was Tariq Ramadan.


    I didn't know who he was before or after you told me Smiley
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #9 - February 04, 2011, 02:20 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 04, 2011, 02:17 PM
    I didn't know who he was before or after you told me Smiley


    Well he's described variously as a Muslim reformer by some - or a Taqiyya Tactician by others.

    Personally I just think he's a typical modern Muslim intellectual who believes in a fairly traditional view of Islam but is doing his best to build a bridge between traditional interpretations and the demands of the modern world - the video is an example of this.
  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #10 - February 04, 2011, 02:25 PM
    My impression was that he takes the Quran as a message of how to live your lives if you happen to find yourself living in a simulation of 7th century Mecca - anything beyond that must be mangled to fit your new circumstances.
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #11 - February 04, 2011, 11:26 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 01, 2011, 05:18 PM
    I captured it for those of you who missed it or cannot watch iplayer in your country.

    Brilliant watch- thanks for posting!
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #12 - February 04, 2011, 11:52 PM
    Ugh, so much twisting to try and make Shariah law match their current economic situation.  I am glad that they finally got it worked out to something that would match how they felt.  I hope the best for them
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #13 - February 05, 2011, 12:17 AM
    That was really interesting. I agree with TheRationalizer, the best part was when the wife was like, ok how do we change the ratios for my share? It's clear she felt that by coming up with a justification for not using the double share for her son, they were actually changing the rules for themselves. And you can see in her face that she is not really satisfied with the end result. It is something that I myself used to feel about some of the laws of Islam regarding women: that they are NOT fair and in fact quite unacceptable, but I could live with them (i.e. ignore them) as long as I would not be affected by them. That is exactly what she did for herself. She won't have to lose her house if her husband dies, but only because of the condition in his will. The Islamic law is still against her, and she has to live knowing that her life as a Muslim woman is only fair and bearable because she protected herself from that law.

    It's really sad to see how deep the conflict is for them over something that should have been very simple.
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #14 - February 05, 2011, 10:55 AM
    The problem with the approach of saying "It is only meant for those specific circumstances, and now things are different" I think is that if you start to implement Sharia law your scenario starts to resemble the circumstances of 7th century Arabia once again and as a result you then have to implement more Sharia law.

    The problem that religionists don't seem to spot is that there can never be a "one rule fits all".  In forcing people to give X:Y ratios to certain people in their wills you will always have unfair situations, but then when you tell people they can do what you want you end up with people leaving all their worldly goods to the local cats' home Smiley
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #15 - February 05, 2011, 12:10 PM
    How big is this file?
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #16 - February 05, 2011, 12:43 PM
    Quote from: Luthiel on February 05, 2011, 12:17 AM
    That was really interesting. I agree with TheRationalizer, the best part was when the wife was like, ok how do we change the ratios for my share? It's clear she felt that by coming up with a justification for not using the double share for her son, they were actually changing the rules for themselves. And you can see in her face that she is not really satisfied with the end result. It is something that I myself used to feel about some of the laws of Islam regarding women: that they are NOT fair and in fact quite unacceptable, but I could live with them (i.e. ignore them) as long as I would not be affected by them. That is exactly what she did for herself. She won't have to lose her house if her husband dies, but only because of the condition in his will. The Islamic law is still against her, and she has to live knowing that her life as a Muslim woman is only fair and bearable because she protected herself from that law.

    It's really sad to see how deep the conflict is for them over something that should have been very simple.


    Islam is the original champion of women's rights[7th century edition]. But I suppose the definitions have changed in the 21st century, and some people would rather have the 7th century version and go to town about it!


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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #17 - February 05, 2011, 01:34 PM
    Quote from: Faiz on February 05, 2011, 12:10 PM
    How big is this file?


    653MB if I recall.
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on February 05, 2011, 12:43 PM
    Islam is the original champion of women's rights[7th century edition]. But I suppose the definitions have changed in the 21st century, and some people would rather have the 7th century version and go to town about it!


    I agree that considering what I have been told was the status quo in Arabia at the time Islam was a champion of women's rights.  Unfortunately it was not a champion of equal rights, and due to its immutability it probably never can be.
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #18 - March 01, 2011, 07:33 AM
    The upload link no longer works and I no longer have a copy of the file. Is there anyone here who still has a copy I could have?
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #19 - March 01, 2011, 07:46 AM
    i would love to watch that too! thanks for uploading it TR in the first place, shame i missed it.
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    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #20 - March 01, 2011, 09:22 AM
    I watched it but wanted my mum to watch it too  Cry
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #21 - March 03, 2011, 04:30 AM
    I have a copy of it, TR. Where can I send it?
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #22 - March 03, 2011, 09:36 AM
    You are a star!

    Upload it to megafileupload.com or something and post a URL please!
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #23 - March 04, 2011, 05:44 AM
    http://dl.astralanvil.com/CantTakeItWithYou.zip
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #24 - March 04, 2011, 06:15 AM
    Luthiel is it okay to leave the uploaded file until the evening? i would like to download it too but need to leave to work now. thank you Smiley
    Quote from: zooby on December 26, 2011, 01:57 AM
    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #25 - March 04, 2011, 06:21 AM
    Yep, I'll leave it up for a few days at least Smiley
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #26 - March 04, 2011, 06:26 AM
    you are a legend! thanks Smiley
    Quote from: zooby on December 26, 2011, 01:57 AM
    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #27 - March 05, 2011, 09:52 AM
    Brilliant, thanks so much!

    Please leave it up for a while, I am going to try to get AtheistMediaBlog to host it.
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  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #28 - March 05, 2011, 11:17 AM
    Thanks for sharing the file Luthiel.

    It's depressing isn't it? Something is so obviously blatantly wrong but because people are emotionally attached to some Bronze age bullshit they find it almost impossible to break free.

    That whole scene when they were having dinner and debating this issue was simply surreal.

    Btw don't these people realise that the fact that they feel that something mandated by Quran is 'unfair' means that they are directly opposing the will of Allah. After all nothing is unfair or fair per se but only because the almighty Allah ordains it in that way. If one follows the Quran one simply cannot be unfair. Unless Allah is unfair.

    Btw our old friend Tariq Ramadan "the great reformer and Martin Luther King of Islam" is back again. I seriously cannot believe that anybody in their right mind takes this clown seriously. Oh wait, a few years ago I used to. *dies in shame*
  • Re: Shariah wills covered on BBC's "You can't take it with you"
     Reply #29 - March 05, 2011, 04:35 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 05, 2011, 11:17 AM
    Btw our old friend Tariq Ramadan "the great reformer and Martin Luther King of Islam" is back again. I seriously cannot believe that anybody in their right mind takes this clown seriously. Oh wait, a few years ago I used to. *dies in shame*

    you're an exmuslim Kenan?
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