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 Topic: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'

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  • Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     OP - February 27, 2011, 09:21 AM
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    Huge numbers of Britons would support an anti-immigration English nationalist party if it was not associated with violence and fascist imagery, according to the largest survey into identity and extremism conducted in the UK.

    A Populus poll found that 48% of the population would consider supporting a new anti-immigration party committed to challenging Islamist extremism, and would support policies to make it statutory for all public buildings to fly the flag of St George or the union flag.

    Anti-racism campaigners said the findings suggested Britain's mainstream parties were losing touch with public opinion on issues of identity and race.

    The poll suggests that the level of backing for a far-right party could equal or even outstrip that in countries such as France, the Netherlands and Austria. France's National Front party hopes to secure 20% in the first round of the presidential vote next year. The Dutch anti-Islam party led by Geert Wilders attracted 15.5% of the vote in last year's parliamentary elections.

    Anti-fascist groups said the poll's findings challenged the belief that Britons were more tolerant than other Europeans. "This is not because British people are more moderate, but simply because their views have not found a political articulation," said a report by the Searchlight Educational Trust, the anti-fascist charity that commissioned the poll.

    According to the survey, 39% of Asian Britons, 34% of white Britons and 21% of black Britons wanted all immigration into the UK to be stopped permanently, or at least until the economy improved. And 43% of Asian Britons, 63% of white Britons and 17% of black Britons agreed with the statement that "immigration into Britain has been a bad thing for the country". Just over half of respondents – 52% – agreed with the proposition that "Muslims create problems in the UK".

    Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP who fought a successful campaign against the British National party in his Dagenham and Rainham constituency in east London, said that the findings pointed to a "very real threat of a new potent political constituency built around an assertive English nationalism". The report identified a resurgence of English identity, with 39% preferring to call themselves English rather than British. Just 5% labelled themselves European.

    Earlier this month David Cameron delivered a controversial speech on the failings of "state multiculturalism". The speech was seized on by the anti-Islamic English Defence League, which said that the prime minister was "coming round" to its way of thinking. BNP leader Nick Griffin also welcomed the speech as a sign that his party's ideas were entering "the political mainstream".

    The poll also identified a majority keen to be allowed to openly criticise religion, with 60% believing they "should be allowed to say whatever they believe about religion". By contrast, fewer than half – 42% – said "people should be allowed to say whatever they believe about race"


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/27/support-poll-support-far-right

    Given the rise in anti-Muslim/Islam sentiments in the UK, this sort if news is to be expected. What I'm most surprised about is that Asians are the group who want to end immigration the most. WTF.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #1 - February 27, 2011, 09:25 AM
    I spose they're one of the groups finding it hardest to get jobs and houses at the moment.  If they're at the bottom of the pile when it comes to access to resources, it would make sense that they are the least willing to share.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #2 - February 27, 2011, 09:45 AM
    Ok, first thought that occurred to me: why would freezing immigration automatically make a party "far right"?

    Second thought: for Asian and black Britons to agree with "I think current immigration levels are too high, given blah blah blah" would be fair enough. However, for Asian and black Britons to agree with "immigration into Britain has been a bad thing for the country" is just plain bonkers and would seem to indicate a certain amount of difficulty with shoelaces.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #3 - February 27, 2011, 09:52 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 27, 2011, 09:25 AM
    I spose they're one of the groups finding it hardest to get jobs and houses at the moment.  If they're at the bottom of the pile when it comes to access to resources, it would make sense that they are the least willing to share.

    Isn't the Black population similarly hard-up? I don't think that quite explains that statistic. Besides, the following statistic that 43 percent of Asians thought that immigration has been bad for a country isn't affected (as much) by one's economic situation.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #4 - February 27, 2011, 09:53 AM
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    Ok, first thought that occurred to me: why would freezing immigration automatically make a party "far right"?

    It's the Guardian.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #5 - February 27, 2011, 09:55 AM
    No, I think the descendants of Afro-Caribbean immigrants have moved up the ladder slightly, apart from recent Somali immigrants.  Pakistanis and Bangladeshis would be further down the poverty scale.

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    Besides, the following statistic that 43 percent of Asians thought that immigration has been bad for a country isn't affected (as much) by one's economic situation.


    Yes, that's an odd one, I can't fathom that.  
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #6 - February 27, 2011, 09:58 AM
    20% back the National Front in France? 15.5% for Geert Wilders in Holland? Fucking hell.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #7 - February 27, 2011, 10:41 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 27, 2011, 09:55 AM
    No, I think the descendants of Afro-Caribbean immigrants have moved up the ladder slightly, apart from recent Somali immigrants.  Pakistanis and Bangladeshis would be further down the poverty scale.



    Yeah, you're right about that. Even then I don't think the reason is entirely economic and is tied into the general (more) anti-immigration feeling amongst Asians. 43% of Asians thought immigration was a bad thing compared to 19% of black people.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #8 - February 27, 2011, 10:56 AM
    This is only anecdotal, but I've noticed a tendency amongst some second generation Asians (especially those whose parents did well for themselves) to harbour anti-immigrant sentiments. Almost an "I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder" attitude. But, I've also witnessed a (generally accepted) intracultural othering amongst Asians that I haven't amongst Afro-Caribbean people, where new immigrants are looked down upon and demeaned, where for example new immigrants are often often referred to as FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat) as a derogatory term.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #9 - February 27, 2011, 11:57 AM
    Quote from: thinkfree on February 27, 2011, 10:56 AM
    This is only anecdotal, but I've noticed a tendency amongst some second generation Asians (especially those whose parents did well for themselves) to harbour anti-immigrant sentiments.

    British born Pakistani openly told me to fuck off back to 'my country'. But he is one of the "I am so fucking tough", brainless gangsta-wannabe retards therefore his attitude isn't generally applicable.

    Quote from: thinkfree on February 27, 2011, 10:56 AM
    But, I've also witnessed a (generally accepted) intracultural othering amongst Asians that I haven't amongst Afro-Caribbean people, where new immigrants are looked down upon and demeaned, where for example new immigrants are often often referred to as FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat) as a derogatory term.

    I have witnessed a similar scene where the guy I mentioned above was openly chauvinist even racist towards a Pakistani acquittance of his (and a friend of mine) who recently immigrated to UK.
    Bizarre to say the least.

    Btw was term 'Asian' always used as an umbrella term for British Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis?
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #10 - February 27, 2011, 12:21 PM
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #11 - February 27, 2011, 12:22 PM
    I've heard the anti-immigration sentiment said by second generation Pakistani British folks because they are at the sharp end of chain migration with culturally and emotionally coercive marriages stunting the integration and natural growth of them into British society. They are against that and express it in anti immigrant terms, but its really a concern about how chain migration / cousin marriage is affecting them.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #12 - February 27, 2011, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on February 27, 2011, 11:57 AM
    Btw was term 'Asian' always used as an umbrella term for British Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis?


    Yes.

    The Ummah Identity Politics 'struggle', such as it was, which exploded after the Salman Rushdie fatwa in 1989, and has been continued virulently since, which aimed to assert and privelige Islam as the primary identity-political marker over an ethnic one, was as much impulsed by a desire amongst Jamaati-e-Islami and Maududi-esque theology of creating a separation between Pakistanis / Bangladeshis and non Muslim 'Asians' ie: Indians who are mostly Hindu and Sikh. It was a sectarian, communalist movement in its inception.

    'Asian' was a secular identity - it had to be relegated for Islamic identity-politics and 'Islam' to have power in the UK, both in wider society, and as a iron rod with which to discipline Muslims themselves (especially girls)
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #13 - February 27, 2011, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: thinkfree on February 27, 2011, 10:56 AM
    This is only anecdotal, but I've noticed a tendency amongst some second generation Asians (especially those whose parents did well for themselves) to harbour anti-immigrant sentiments. Almost an "I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder" attitude. But, I've also witnessed a (generally accepted) intracultural othering amongst Asians that I haven't amongst Afro-Caribbean people, where new immigrants are looked down upon and demeaned, where for example new immigrants are often often referred to as FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat) as a derogatory term.


    This isn't unique. It's how the Mexicans treated Salvadoran immigrants in LA and Cubans treated Nicaraguan immigrants in Miami, during the 1980s and 90s, and how the Italians treated the Hispanics and the Irish treated the Italians before that, and even within certain immigrant national groups there sometimes develops a "I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder" attitude.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #14 - February 27, 2011, 12:37 PM
    Quote from: billy on February 27, 2011, 12:22 PM
    I've heard the anti-immigration sentiment said by second generation Pakistani British folks because they are at the sharp end of chain migration with culturally and emotionally coercive marriages stunting the integration and natural growth of them into British society. They are against that and express it in anti immigrant terms, but its really a concern about how chain migration / cousin marriage is affecting them.


    Very salient point to consider. How to tackle this, though?
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #15 - February 27, 2011, 12:38 PM
    Quote from: thinkfree on February 27, 2011, 10:56 AM
    But, I've also witnessed a (generally accepted) intracultural othering amongst Asians that I haven't amongst Afro-Caribbean people, where new immigrants are looked down upon and demeaned, where for example new immigrants are often often referred to as FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat) as a derogatory term.


    I've seen it amongst black British people as much as Asians. There is a West Indian - Jamaican / African schism in the Black community which is often expressed as Africans (Nigerians, Ghanaians, Somalians) being Fresh Off The Boat, whereas British Carribeans are the original black community in the UK and have been much longer established. The truth is that now, Africans are beginning to outnumber West Indians as the largest group that comprises the black community in the UK.

    The 'Freshy' thing amongst Indians, Pakistanis etc is about delineating a difference between British born folks and those who have just arrived and still have the attitudes or affectations of the subcontinent - it is in some ways a pressure to integrate and assert themselves as British, as against being immigrants. They want to be defined by their Britishness, not by their nominal links to an immigration dynamic, which is always in arrival, instead of being indigenous.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #16 - February 27, 2011, 12:43 PM
    Quote from: thinkfree on February 27, 2011, 12:37 PM
    Very salient point to consider. How to tackle this, though?


    The cousin marriage / chain migration thing has to be talked about and tackled, and the voices opposing and questioning it have to be supported from within the Pakistani (and to a lesser extent Bangladeshi) community. Ultimately it has to evolve from within. Pakistanis girls and boys are bullied into submission of those cultural norms and this means that their growth into British society has been stunted. Indians have had a smoother progress, as have other Asian groups like Sri Lankans, Chinese etc.

    It just has to be tackled, but there is a degree of insularity, especially in certain parts of the country like the milltowns, that makes it really difficult. All you hope is that the coming generations break free from it eventually.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #17 - February 27, 2011, 12:48 PM
    ..
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #18 - February 28, 2011, 03:06 PM
    The report is worthless, it's a left wing call to arms to fight the so called violent far right. Oo look 48% would vote far right, so who is far right to vote for then?

    Arthur.
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #19 - February 28, 2011, 03:10 PM
    Your hero Nick Griffin.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #20 - March 04, 2011, 03:09 PM
    I have never voted BNP and never will.
    The report is left wing bullshit.

    Arthur.
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #21 - March 04, 2011, 03:33 PM
    What would you say is wrong with left wing?
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #22 - March 04, 2011, 03:42 PM
    Trying to destroy my country is enough I think. Taking us to war at every opportunity, loading us with debt and destroying tens of thousands of jobs.

    Arthur.
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #23 - March 04, 2011, 04:20 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 04, 2011, 03:33 PM
    What would you say is wrong with left wing?


    They're a bunch of statist pinkos that wanna take away my money and guns.
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #24 - March 04, 2011, 04:30 PM
    Quote from: arthur1 on March 04, 2011, 03:42 PM
    Trying to destroy my country is enough I think. Taking us to war at every opportunity, loading us with debt and destroying tens of thousands of jobs.


    Interesting. Tell me more.
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #25 - March 04, 2011, 04:42 PM
    Quote from: Zebedee on March 04, 2011, 04:20 PM
    They're a bunch of statist pinkos that wanna take away my money and guns.

    +1

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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #26 - March 04, 2011, 09:39 PM
    Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on February 27, 2011, 09:21 AM
    Given the rise in anti-Muslim/Islam sentiments in the UK, this sort if news is to be expected. What I'm most surprised about is that Asians are the group who want to end immigration the most. WTF.

    You shouldn't really be surprised. I'm in favor of immigration being made a lot more strict even though I'm right now in Pakistan and hope to immigrate in future. But I think they should definitely be a lot more strict on english language standards (ask for at least a 7.5-8 out of 10 on IELTS), and only people with western ideals should be allowed to immigrate. Else the west will just turn into another Pakistan/Bangladesh, and what would be the point of leaving our countries then?
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #27 - March 04, 2011, 11:29 PM
    LOL donatelo, a lot of the natives probably wouldn't even be able to pass that test. 
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  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #28 - March 04, 2011, 11:39 PM
    ^ not a lot - most
  • Re: Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'
     Reply #29 - March 04, 2011, 11:48 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on March 04, 2011, 09:39 PM
    and only people with western ideals should be allowed to immigrate. Else the west will just turn into another Pakistan/Bangladesh, and what would be the point of leaving our countries then?


    This is the exact reason why Muslims who want sharia law in England aren't living in countries with Sharia law.
    When asked why, They claim that they want it globally, but this is only half the story, they aren't in those countries, because those countries are some of the (if not THE) Worst places to live on the planet.

    The main issue is that many muslims leave their countries for reasons such as war, political turmoil, poverty, lack of work, corrupt government, extremism, danger etc etc....the fact that Islam itself may (atleast to some extent) play a part in causing these issues, never enters their little tiny heads...
    So they come over and assume that adding Islam into the country is a good thing, thus creating the exact issues that made them come here in the first place.
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