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  • Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     OP - February 28, 2011, 12:45 PM
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/02/25/anonymous-takes-down-god-hates-fags-church-websites/
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    Anonymous, the online activist movement, has taken down the website of the Westboro Baptist Church, home of the ‘God Hates Fags’ campaign group that pickets the funerals of US soldiers whose death the group blames on an acceptance of homosexuality by the USA.

    It is alleged that the church made up previous threats to crash their websites by the group.

    Anonymous has taken down the main website of the church together with their other websites, including the charmingly named PriestsRapeBoys.com as well as GodHatesAmerica.com, GodHatesTheWorld.com, JewsKilledJesus.com and AmericaIsDoomed.com.

    The one page of the website that does resolve contains a letter from the Anonymous group that says the church’s website has been “seized by Anonymous under section #14 of the rules of the Internet.”

    The church had begun a hate campaign against Anonymous and claimed that it was under threat, something that Anonymous said was a lie and a publicity stunt.

    In their posting announcing the hack, Anonymous said: “Your continued biting of the Anonymous hand, however, has earned you a swift and emotionless bitchslap, in the form of this very message. Despite having had the capability to hack your sites previously, we chose not to and instead responded maturely to your threats, but you have not respected this.

    “For this unremitting display of overzealousness, we award you no points. Take this defacement as a simple
    warning: go away. The world (including Anonymous) disagrees with your hateful messages, but you have the right to voice them. This does not mean you can jump onto Anonymous for attention.”

    The message ends with the statement: “God hates fags: assumption. Anonymous hates leeches: fact.”

    In 2009, the God Hates Fags founder, Fred Phelps and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper were banned from entering the UK.

    I was positively disposed to Anonymous when they gave a bloody nose first to banks and recently to security firms trying to close down the free speech of Wikileaks, but like all such vigilante groups formed to defend the common good they now seem to have devolved into breaching the very same rights they claim to uphold. These vulgarians don't seem to grasp that it's precisely the speech from you dissent most violently that free speech exists to protect. The man not prepared to defend objectionable views should stop pretending he believes in free expression. But what does one expect from spotty little chits innocent of John Stuart Mill?
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #1 - February 28, 2011, 12:49 PM
    Completely inappropriate. 
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #2 - February 28, 2011, 12:51 PM
    Source?
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #3 - February 28, 2011, 12:52 PM
    Read this, Bison: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/02/anonymous-speaks-with-westboro-baptist-church.html

    and watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OZJwSjor4hM
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #4 - February 28, 2011, 12:58 PM
    q
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #5 - February 28, 2011, 01:02 PM
    i think it was more that phelps was trying to mooch of anonymous' popularity rather than the fact he dissed them. anonymous hates all forms of personal armies, even in an implicit form like publicly dissing them to get attention.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #6 - February 28, 2011, 01:12 PM
    I'm willing to wager that WBC attract far more internet traffic than Anonymous. Not about parasitism. And I'm happy to believe the Phelps when they say in the aforesaid video that they received a communique from someone claiming to be from Anon. The Phelps are many things, but given their religious zeal liars they are not.

    These guys have taken it upon themselves to decide what type of public speech is permissable. If another lot of hackers shut down the website of one of your own gang you might take a very dim view of this imbecility. Lawless stuff. That's all.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #7 - February 28, 2011, 01:31 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 12:45 PM
    but like all such vigilante groups formed to defend the common good they now seem to have devolved into breaching the very same rights they claim to uphold. These vulgarians don't seem to grasp that it's precisely the speech from you dissent most violently that free speech exists to protect.

    There is an error in such logic:
    Anonymous is not a homogeneous group of people with a shared goal.
    And, as a corollary of that, it did not form to defend some common good.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #8 - February 28, 2011, 01:43 PM
    The thing about free speech is that people can hear it.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #9 - February 28, 2011, 01:45 PM
    @Tlaloc

    Hey sweetheart. I missed you. The press releases of Anon declare their mission statement is to uphold free speech. Around that object at least they are united. I was labouring under the impression they were formed in the wake of Wikileaks. I'm happy to accept that's not so.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #10 - February 28, 2011, 01:51 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 01:45 PM
    @Tlaloc

    Hey sweetheart. I missed you. The press releases of Anon declare their mission statement is to uphold free speech. Around that object at least they are united. I was labouring under the impression they were formed in the wake of Wikileaks. I'm happy to accept that's not so.

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     Reply #11 - February 28, 2011, 01:54 PM
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  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #12 - February 28, 2011, 01:58 PM
    @Kenan

    By what canon of logic did you connect that post of mine to your unlettered posters?

  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #13 - February 28, 2011, 02:02 PM
    @Ishina

    Your clumsy aphorism is lost on me. What's it driving at? Can it drive at all? I doubt it. Much too pre-mature. See what I did there? Classic.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #14 - February 28, 2011, 03:04 PM
    Like, when you open your mouth and you chatting shit, yeah? Someone might hear it, innit, and say hold up, hold up, that aint right, imma bout to spark this fella out n'that. Ya get me?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #15 - February 28, 2011, 04:19 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 01:12 PM
    I'm willing to wager that WBC attract far more internet traffic than Anonymous. Not about parasitism. And I'm happy to believe the Phelps when they say in the aforesaid video that they received a communique from someone claiming to be from Anon. The Phelps are many things, but given their religious zeal liars they are not.

    These guys have taken it upon themselves to decide what type of public speech is permissable. If another lot of hackers shut down the website of one of your own gang you might take a very dim view of this imbecility. Lawless stuff. That's all.


    depends what you mean by 'anonymous'. i'd wager that /i/(invasion i think) gets a fuckton more traffic than WBC, and that's a subset of what could be considered to be 'anonymous'.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #16 - February 28, 2011, 04:29 PM
    Aren't they exercising ultimate free speech by freely speaking inside other peoples restricted internet space?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #17 - February 28, 2011, 07:09 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 01:45 PM
    @Tlaloc

    Hey sweetheart. I missed you. The press releases of Anon declare their mission statement is to uphold free speech. Around that object at least they are united. I was labouring under the impression they were formed in the wake of Wikileaks. I'm happy to accept that's not so.

    A "press release" of Anonymous does not express the will of Anonymous.
    It expresses the will of somebody who labelled himself as member of Anonymous, without getting disapproval from the majority of all the other self-labelled Anonymous members.

    Anonymous is a sort of dynamic emergent consensus between heterogeneous individuals.

    It's actually a cool concept.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #18 - February 28, 2011, 08:37 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 01:12 PM
    I'm willing to wager that WBC attract far more internet traffic than Anonymous. Not about parasitism. And I'm happy to believe the Phelps when they say in the aforesaid video that they received a communique from someone claiming to be from Anon. The Phelps are many things, but given their religious zeal liars they are not.

    These guys have taken it upon themselves to decide what type of public speech is permissable. If another lot of hackers shut down the website of one of your own gang you might take a very dim view of this imbecility. Lawless stuff. That's all.

    Ok Bison, say the admins of this site were stupid enough to start making as much bogus noise as they could about how Anon had threatened too hax0r our phorum! It would be perfectly understandable if, after some months of this, someone in Anon got so tired of the bullshit that they decided to actually do it just as a way of saying STFU. It wouldn't be legal, but at the same time it would be stretching the definition of malicious to call it that, IMHO.

    ETA: Note that they are not saying they will continue to trash the site.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #19 - February 28, 2011, 09:27 PM
    They shouldn't have attacked their site and it should be brought back up, but I won't be shedding any tears
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #20 - February 28, 2011, 09:35 PM
    Yup, that pretty much sums up my view of the matter. I think they did it just to prove that if they had been going to do it earlier they could have done it at any time, and therefore WBC was lying about the threats (given that apparently WBC has been making a noise about this for ages). Of course, it doesn't really prove anything.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #21 - February 28, 2011, 09:41 PM
    Jeez guys!  Were they really the ones who took down the site?  OK.  Assuming one of their members autonomously carried out the attack, at least they have since said:
    "In its latest statement, Anonymous warned its members not to participate in DDoS attacks against Westboro Baptist Church in case it was a trap."
    See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12535456
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #22 - February 28, 2011, 09:46 PM
    Oh and Bison, you have a massive logic fail here:

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 01:12 PM
    I'm willing to wager that WBC attract far more internet traffic than Anonymous. Not about parasitism. And I'm happy to believe the Phelps when they say in the aforesaid video that they received a communique from someone claiming to be from Anon. The Phelps are many things, but given their religious zeal liars they are not.

    "Lying for Jesus" is a great Christian tradition in some sects. US fundies are notorious for it.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #23 - February 28, 2011, 09:53 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on February 28, 2011, 08:37 PM
    Ok Bison, say the admins of this site were stupid enough to start making as much bogus noise as they could about how Anon had threatened too hax0r our phorum! It would be perfectly understandable if, after some months of this, someone in Anon got so tired of the bullshit that they decided to actually do it just as a way of saying STFU. It wouldn't be legal, but at the same time it would be stretching the definition of malicious to call it that, IMHO.

    ETA: Note that they are not saying they will continue to trash the site.

    On what grounds do you say that the Phelps orchestrated a hoax? They maintain credibly that they received emails purporting to be from the hackers. The Church has been much longer in the public eye than Anon about whom few had heard till a few months ago in the wake of the Wikileaks pandemonium. Everybody knows the Phelps clan. The web is awash with articles and interviews and documentaries on the church. They’re not starving for publicity. If anyone’s gained in stature here it’s Anon.

    If this were a simple matter of hacking, it would not receive news coverage. Just another case of vandalism. But when done by a group whose claim to fame is preserving internet freedom, it sheds its credibility faster than you reach for the Kleenix when you slip in the gay porn.  

    What matters in the final analysis and the reason for which this is news at all is not the hacking. It’s newsworthy because an activist group ostensibly committed to free speech has shut down a website whose politics it does not like.
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #24 - February 28, 2011, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on February 28, 2011, 07:09 PM
    A "press release" of Anonymous does not express the will of Anonymous.
    It expresses the will of somebody who labelled himself as member of Anonymous, without getting disapproval from the majority of all the other self-labelled Anonymous members.

    Anonymous is a sort of dynamic emergent consensus between heterogeneous individuals.

    If an activist movement does not rescind a widely distributed press release in its name and by one of its number purporting to espouse the group’s animating object, it will stand as its mission statement. The newsworthiness of this story hangs on the supposition, created by the movement’s official pronouncements, that they mean to uphold internet freedom. What each spotty-faced little chit thinks holds no interest. What matters solely is official statements. When they contravene their stated mission,  they discredit themselves. Na mean dawg?
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #25 - February 28, 2011, 10:09 PM
    @Teapot

    You're investing much too great a trust in a loose gang of teens with too much time on their hands. Just a lot of excitable kids. The trouble with self-anointed watchmen of the night who operate outside the law is that it raises the question of: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #26 - February 28, 2011, 10:29 PM
    that was over 9000 lulz
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #27 - February 28, 2011, 10:34 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on February 28, 2011, 09:53 PM
    On what grounds do you say that the Phelps orchestrated a hoax? They maintain credibly that they received emails purporting to be from the hackers.


    Quote from: osmanthus on February 28, 2011, 09:46 PM
    Oh and Bison, you have a massive logic fail here:
    "Lying for Jesus" is a great Christian tradition in some sects. US fundies are notorious for it.

    You must have missed that. Selective reading is not a virtue, old chap. Smiley


    Quote
    The Church has been much longer in the public eye than Anon about whom few had heard till a few months ago in the wake of the Wikileaks pandemonium. Everybody knows the Phelps clan. The web is awash with articles and interviews and documentaries on the church. They’re not starving for publicity. If anyone’s gained in stature here it’s Anon.

    Well, Anon was actually well known before this incident, and well before the Wikileaks incident. You may have missed them, but a lot of other people already knew of them.


    Quote
    If this were a simple matter of hacking, it would not receive news coverage. Just another case of vandalism. But when done by a group whose claim to fame is preserving internet freedom, it sheds its credibility faster than you reach for the Kleenix when you slip in the gay porn.  

    What matters in the final analysis and the reason for which this is news at all is not the hacking. It’s newsworthy because an activist group ostensibly committed to free speech has shut down a website whose politics it does not like.

    It's noteworthy because apparently somebody, who claims to be affiliated with a group that is very loosely and anonymously organised in any case, decided to point out that if Anon did wish to hack the Phelps site they could do so at any time, and therefore if the Phelps site was not being hacked it could reasonably be concluded that Anon had no interest in hacking said site.


    ETA: BTW, I agree that this (hacking) was probably not the most intelligent way of making the point.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #28 - February 28, 2011, 10:40 PM
    I agree with MAB to a point, saying you're for free speech and then hacking a website who's rantings you don't like is abit ironic/hypocritical. Though I think Anon just did this for the lulz, end of story anything is fair when it comes to trolling, trolls.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Anonymous Takes Down God Hates Fags Website
     Reply #29 - March 01, 2011, 01:29 PM
    @Oz

    In a former life when I was a good deal less ugly and twelve chins thinner I dated a hard drinking party animal of an Aussie with a mind scattered by the Drink of Life. I’m given to understand that you are an Aussie too. It’s what physicists call Conservation of Symmetry.

    The Phelps have staged a hoax you contend. I requested for evidence. And your evidence amounts to saying that other Christers have been known to lie. So do lawless hackers one presumes. And Muslims and atheists and all God’s chillun. Lying is an international sport.  That other resurrection-men have lied is not evidence this church has so done.  What you advance here is a classic illustration of the dicto simpliciter.

    The idle charge to one side, the only provable evidence that anyone has willfully dissembled is Anon. They claimed that they would not hack the Westboro Baptist Church site. They have. They claim to defend internet freedom. They don’t.

    In your stampede to display your intellectual kinship to my Aussie lover, you’ve neglected why this news item has garnered international coverage. It’s not because a gang of kids who’ve just sprouted pubic foliage have hacked someone. That’s routine. Nothing to report in there. It’s news because a group which styles itself as the watchman of internet freedom has shut it down.
     
    So this is what I want from you: Evidence that the church has lied when it says they have gotten emails from Anon. This should be concrete evidence of deception on their part. Not assertions that Christers are naughty boys. Going further, and this second question should not be confused with the first, I invite you to speculate what a church with an international profile and about which several documentaries have been made stands to gain except the disruption of its operations from drawing media attention to a hitherto little known outfit. The obscurity of Anon is not my opinion. It’s the opinion of the BBC:

    Quote
    Anonymous has risen to fame in recent months for its "hacktivism", which has seen it launch denial-of-service attacks against firms it saw as pursuing policies that are in opposition to its freedom of the web ideals

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