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OP - March 03, 2011, 05:14 AM

So basicly i was on a pak fourm and there was a thread there called "Some Superstitions in Pakistan". People were disscusiing and laughing at the stupid things people beleive in which were adobted from the hindu relegion. Then one of the ex-muslim there mention jins and how beleiving in them is superstious. and these were some of the responce to him.

"Oh please there is NO superstition in Islam. if people are following some stupid stone age black magic things then its their fault.

Your signature shows you dont know much about Islam so please dont link your own version to Islam.

as far as Jin are concerned we do believe existence of supernatural living beings thats not superstition"

The irony in that post is so massive . also the only thing that the guy had in his signatre was "Culturally Muslim, Fundamentally Agnostic"

another responce was

"Yup i second that Islam doesn't support any.
Jin/Angels/Souls all mentioned in Quran.Plus now a days there is a lot of talk about the dark energy surrounding the universe......and people don't know much about it ,how it bring about changes and support certain phenomenon is yet not discovered,but it's an immense force....who knows what our poor minds think about as dark energy is infact something we are already told about"

I think he doesn't know what dark energy really is.

oh and here is the stupidist responce.

"Believing in Jinns is more like believing in Aliens. The science never rejected that the aliens do not exist. Who knows those aliens that you say we call them as Jinn?

or may be one of the creature among those Aliens would be similar to Jinn's that was quoted in the Holy Qur'an "

i don't think i need to comment on that one

and last but not least is a responce of a muslim to a randome person who said relegion and superstituion are like the same thing.

"I cant say anything about your religion but surely in Islam there is no room for superstitions "

Clearly someone hasn't been reading quran very well.

Now the thing that worries me is these people are 25-30 year old and well educated and i am a 17 year old who hasn't even compleated his GCSE can see the flaws in the above post. Scrath that any 14 year should be able to see it. The point is how can people beleive in such things.

Have you ever had these kind of so called "arguments" put forward ? if so how do you respond ?

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Reply #1 - March 03, 2011, 05:42 AM

Firstly, I have stopped respecting people for their education. So all these educated religious goons dont intimidate me. Best thing I usually say is this "Only those who believe in jinns are the ones who see them". This usually shuts them up.

I used to be on a Pak forum back in the day too. now they are all full of conspiracy theory and Islamic "miracle" videos. Its sad.

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Reply #2 - March 03, 2011, 05:42 AM

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Reply #3 - March 03, 2011, 05:47 AM

Eh i know how you feel i usally just troll relegious threds there .

oh you frogot to mention constant attack on indians =p.

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Reply #4 - March 03, 2011, 08:05 AM

lol. I used to hear the same shit when I was Muslim. Ironic that they are mentioning other superstitious religions when Islam is filled with them. What, with Shaytaan pissing in peoples ears, making knots behind our heads, farting when the adhan is being played and rules on how to enter your house and toilet properly, or else shaytaan will come in!

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Reply #5 - March 03, 2011, 02:33 PM

Religion is organized superstition.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #6 - March 03, 2011, 02:37 PM

ha, Shattered, I enjoyed reading your post. That kind of blind hypocrisy is hilarious, but at the same time, obnoxious, because of the sheer lack of critical self awareness, whilst they deride others for superstitions. Laughable.

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Reply #7 - March 03, 2011, 03:05 PM

Great thread... the thing is, the most devout religionists are often the less educated from my experiences. Even my Muslim friend once commented; "Religion attracts idiots". I don't agree with this as a blanket statement, some people are misled, confused, etc.

I mean take the convert-journalist Muhamad Asad. He eventually became a foreign diplomat, met with leaders of countries and wrote about many important issues of his time. Yet, he believed in jinns, and swallowed whole stories told to him by desert bedouins that a snake which appeared was actually a jinn.

I think of all the superstitions, jinns are the hardest ones to disprove because there will always be nutters telling stories about possessions, there will always be people claiming to speak to the dead (for Muslims: jinns). Like god, there is no way you can scientifically disprove jinns, and we know how Muslims love their scientific proofs. As they say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
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Reply #8 - March 03, 2011, 03:06 PM

Quote from: Shattered on March 03, 2011, 05:14 AM
So basicly i was on a pak fourm and there was a thread there called "Some Superstitions in Pakistan". People were disscusiing and laughing at the stupid things people beleive in which were adobted from the hindu relegion. Then one of the ex-muslim there mention jins and how beleiving in them is superstious. and these were some of the responce to him.

"Oh please there is NO superstition in Islam. if people are following some stupid stone age black magic things then its their fault.

.............................

Shattered I read you in that Pakdefence.com., you are a senior member., so why don't you through some Quran verses in it without any comments from your side..., let the readers decide whether superstition is there or not in Islam specially in Quran. here are some verses for you.. All the highlighted statements of Quran below are nothing but superstition

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002.102: And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.

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YUSUFALI: Said Moses: "Throw ye (first)." So when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and struck terror into them: for they showed a great (feat of) magic.
PICKTHAL: He said: Throw! And when they threw they cast a spell upon the people's eyes, and overawed them, and produced a mighty spell.
SHAKIR: He said: Cast. So when they cast, they deceived the people's eyes and frightened them, and they produced a mighty enchantment.

and there are more verses like that and plenty more in hadith..

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Reply #9 - March 03, 2011, 04:01 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on March 03, 2011, 03:06 PM
Shattered I read you in that Pakdefence.com., you are a senior member., so why don't you through some Quran verses in it without any comments from your side..., let the readers decide whether superstition is there or not in Islam specially in Quran. here are some verses for you.. All the highlighted statements of Quran below are nothing but superstition
and there are more verses like that and plenty more in hadith..

Do you vist defence.pk =o? i am not a senior member there i hardly post . And the reasno it they are pretty strickt on there relegious polociy speacily islam. Thanks for the refrences though. Also the problem is majorty of them won't find that superstiousies since magic is mentioned in the koran they concider it to be legit and not a superstition and thats where the fail.

I talked about the stars as misle used for the devils with the refrence and this the responce i got.

"Actually it says, the star is devil who has been thrown from paradise while he was trying to enter. "

Now he is propsing that its logical since the devil is a star and this acctuly makes him look more stupid sadly he doesn't realise it.

Now whats the point of responding to people like thoses

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Reply #10 - March 03, 2011, 04:14 PM

Well there is a way to test the Muslim claim of Jinns... One of them who talks and controls jinns should organize the jinns and make them attack me... I will give him 1 week heads up... After the week ends i will start throwing stones at his head... We shall see if the fiery creatures of allah are stronger than my stones...

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Reply #11 - March 03, 2011, 04:17 PM

Quote from: Shattered on March 03, 2011, 04:01 PM

Now whats the point of responding to people like thoses

... oh boy., those guys are smart, they know how to go around..lol. well but there is still a point ., There is plenty of dirt in hadith., and Pakistan is full of hadith follower., so use it.,

the trick is ..just putting out and not insulting with YOUR words., let the people read and decide ., and let me pull out more from Quran..

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Reply #12 - March 03, 2011, 04:39 PM

Well let me add some Sahih al-Bukhari hadith on that superstition..

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Volume 8, Book 73, Number 243:

   Narrated Abu Huraira:

   The Prophet said, " If anyone of you sneezes, he should say 'Al-Hamdulillah' (Praise be to Allah), and his (Muslim) brother or companion should say to him, 'Yar-hamuka-l-lah' (May Allah bestow his Mercy on you). When the latter says 'Yar-hamuka-llah", the former should say, 'Yahdikumul-lah wa Yuslih balakum' (May Allah give you guidance and improve your condition)."

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Volume 1, Book 4, Number 163:

   Narrated Abu Huraira:

   Allah's Apostle said, "If anyone of you performs ablution he should put water in his nose and then blow it out and whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do so with odd numbers. And whoever wakes up from his sleep should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution, because nobody knows where his hands were during sleep."

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Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:

   Narrated Abu Huraira:

   The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

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Book 002, Number 0512:

   Abu Qatada reported it from his father that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When anyone amongst you enters the privy he should not touch his penis with his right hand.

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Book 002, Number 0508:

   Abu Huraira said: When any one amongst you squats for answering the call of nature, he should neither turn his face towards the Qibla nor turn his back towards it.

well there is plenty of rubbish in it..

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Reply #13 - March 03, 2011, 06:16 PM

Quote from: Shattered on March 03, 2011, 05:14 AM
"Yup i second that Islam doesn't support any.
Jin/Angels/Souls all mentioned in Quran.Plus now a days there is a lot of talk about the dark energy surrounding the universe......and people don't know much about it ,how it bring about changes and support certain phenomenon is yet not discovered,but it's an immense force....who knows what our poor minds think about as dark energy is infact something we are already told about"

OMFSM! So that's what dark energy is!! It's the constant bubbling of djinns coming in and out of existence. I am enlightened.
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Reply #14 - March 03, 2011, 06:53 PM

What I would do is make a post with examples of superstition from the hadith etc and then find or make some of your own up and then ask which of these is Islam and which are superstitions then later on after a few responses tell them which ones are which.
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Reply #15 - March 04, 2011, 05:53 AM

You guys are fighting a losing battle. From their point of view once it is written in the Qu'ran it is legit, no questions asked. Quoting the Qu'ran to them is like proving that it's true. but still it's funny to see all the backflips they do to fight reasoning

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Reply #16 - March 05, 2011, 06:37 PM

I agree with Sakura02 honestly they think everything in quran is true and there is no superstition really how can you disscuse this issue with people who are so much deluted .

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Reply #17 - March 06, 2011, 04:00 AM

On the plus side it's good to raise these questions because maybe, just maybe a few might come join us at CEMB eventually

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Reply #18 - March 06, 2011, 05:51 AM

My parents believe that reciting various surahs can treat ailments, or somehow help.

At times my mom can bug my dad with this, who in turn pulls something out of his ass like "Allah told us to find help ourselves" or "Allah said go get medicine".

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Reply #19 - March 06, 2011, 06:10 AM

Personally, I think that the Quran asks us to believe in Al Jinn in the same fashion it asks us to believe in the scriptures, angels and the day of judgement and even Allah himself. That's called faith. So if you believe in for example angels, that's faith and not superstition.

Here are some examples of superstition though:
1- Believing that the Jinn can possess a human, then they do some dances that involve a lot of twirling, certain verses and cloudy smokes of incense to get it out.

2- Believing in a certain magic that is claimed that it could only be performed by rejecting Allah and bowing to the Jinn to gain their trust and their help. An example of that would be to curse someone leading to loss of health or money... etc.

3- The funny thing is that the Hadith mention that he who believes in magic could not go to heaven, same as he who drinks alcohol, while the Quran does talk about Magic like in the story of Harut and Marut.

4- Believing that dates and camel urine have supernatural powers. One example is a hadith that claims that if you eat 7 of a certain brand of dates for breakfast, you cannot be sick on that day.

5- Also there's a hadith about Honey from flowers of Habet El Baraka (it's like black sesame, and the name literally means "the grain of blessing") can cure ANY sickness. Bad news for pharmacists lol.

6- Thinking that it's wrong to put your slipper upside down coz then it would be pointing at the face of God.

7- Assuring everyone that it is a sin to put any book above the Quran or to place the Quran on the floor. I once had an argument with a guy and then he called me an insolent fool INSIDE THE MOSQUE coz I was praying with a copy of the Quran on the ground next to me. I mean what the hell was I supposed to do there were no tables

8- You can only pray while you are barefoot although no Hadeeth or Ayat claim that, at least not the ones that I know of.

9- You can only pray on a prayer rug if you're not praying in the mosque. It's wrong to pray on, for example, a carpet.

10- Believing that the sound of a donkey braying attracts devils.

11- If a rooster sings at night that means it has seen an angel and has confused its light with that of the sunrise.

12- Should I say any more?

I would love some comments on these

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Reply #20 - March 07, 2011, 01:02 AM

Hey Shattered,

In early 20th century, when muslims used to make fun of hindu culture and wrote books about it, a hindu wrote a book, "rangeela rasool". It is available in hindi in pdf format online, but I think it is translated in urdu and english.

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Reply #21 - April 22, 2011, 05:55 PM

Heard a couple today

"water is the most harmful thing for a woman during her period" This is why Allah lifted prayer from woman during Menstrual Cycle, as to avoid doing Wudu, she went on saying how we shouldn't shower at all , yet admitted it's difficult to do , I had so many arguments towards that statement. It was lunch, we were eating, and i thought " She probably won't consider anything i say anyways plus criticizing Allah's logic is not exactly Lunch talk" So i'll just send her an email regarding Water and periods and make it seem like it's one of those forwards that go around educating about religion & Bida'a basically stating there is no proof to believe such a thing, would be great if i found proof for the alternative.

Her daughter, unfortunately also told me that the moon on certain nights ( being a half moon, i think) has a connection to your hair growing >> i said i wanted a hair cut without loosing the length. I laughed it off, so she said Sheikh so and so said it but he said we shouldn't believe in it.
So i told her, he must not really believe in it himself if he's telling people not to believe in it , plus , i would need to hear details of that theory of his, what components influence other components..etc. It was her turn to laugh it off.lol ( i've already told this young girl not believe everything she is told, but i'll have to respond to each and every absurd claim so she knows what " not believing" looks like)

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Reply #22 - April 23, 2011, 06:51 PM

a friend of mine told me that he lives in an area that's haunted by jinn
from his descriptions, he probably has sleep paralysis but he wouldn't admit it's just a sleep disorder

also, my mom used to tell me that I should not clip my nails in house cuz they bring poverty or something
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Reply #23 - April 23, 2011, 06:55 PM

So what are you supposed to do, stand out in the garden and clip your nails?

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Reply #24 - April 26, 2011, 10:28 PM

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Reply #25 - April 26, 2011, 10:32 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 23, 2011, 06:55 PM
So what are you supposed to do, stand out in the garden and clip your nails?

im gonna make my family do that anyway cuz i hate clipped nails. bleh

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