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 Topic: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #210 - March 13, 2011, 07:55 PM

    Do you think the death sentence is necessary suffering?

    Here I would obtrude the equation of guilt or innocence. We all accept that killing is sometimes justified in a variety of circumstances. My starting premise is that a man who takes a life forefeits his own.

    What other reasons except selfish reasons puts the interest of your revenge ahead of the right of a criminal to live?

    I think all punishment is revenge.

    Moral consideration to other species is not exclusive to vegetarians. Nor is it a value certain to be found in all vegetarians.

    I do not suggest that it is. Hitler was a vegetarian. But I do suggest that partaking in the exploitation of animals is morally wicked.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #211 - March 13, 2011, 08:05 PM

    If an animal is bred and raised for meat, has a good life, and dies without pain or discomfort, is it ok to eat it?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #212 - March 13, 2011, 08:05 PM

    What university do you teach at MAB and what courses?

    How'd you know what I do for a living Bolshevik?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #213 - March 13, 2011, 08:16 PM

    If an animal is bred and raised for meat, has a good life, and dies without pain or discomfort, is it ok to eat it?

    I have less of an objection to organic meat. But to meet the demands of a meat gluttoned civilisation it requires industrial scale farming  with the bottom line being driven by the profit margin of company share holders. In a word, cut costs by cutting the living conditions of animals. 

    There are plenty of meat-like alternatives on the market that look and taste like the real thing. Fundamentally, what I would like to know is why a sane person would think it is normal to eat dead flesh. There is no moral objection to eating a dead person either, but you would have to wonder about the mental health of a man who would. Social conditioning. That's all.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #214 - March 13, 2011, 08:17 PM

    How'd you know what I do for a living Bolshevik?


    It's not polite to answer a question with a question. Now where and what do you teach?

    fuck you
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #215 - March 13, 2011, 08:43 PM

    Are you trying to get me fired from my job Bolshevik? I will tell you everything you want to know about the Hairy Turk. I will even send you my nekkid pictures.  I just wanna trace where you got that factoid from.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #216 - March 13, 2011, 08:50 PM

    There are plenty of meat-like alternatives on the market that look and taste like the real thing. Fundamentally, what I would like to know is why a sane person would think it is normal to eat dead flesh. There is no moral objection to eating a dead person either, but you would have to wonder about the mental health of a man who would.

    I’m fine living with my predatory appetite. There is no guilt about the actual act of consuming another living thing. The only guilt is about how an animal lives and dies. It is no hardship for me. My conscience is clean.

    I don’t just eat meat for the taste. Not because medium-rare, juicy steak I consider to be the best tasting edible thing I have ever tasted.  I don’t eat it just because of its nutritional value. I eat a balanced diet, but I’m not a calorie counter. I also eat it because I crave it. I have an appetite for it. I like the idea of consuming flesh. Consuming life makes me feel stronger - better, faster, more alert, more in tune with the universe, more alive. It’s a natural pattern. It is symbolic of a primal instinctual ritual - the struggle of life, the romance of the hunt. If there were beasts roaming the concrete jungle of Manchester, I’d hunt them myself.

    The same when I crunch on a cool, crisp, fresh lettuce leaf. I’m still devouring life so that I can live - not just survive, but truly live. I’m tasting what the earth offers me. I’m exploring the universe fully with one of my senses.

    You understand why these idiot bovine cattle are in the position they are in, yes? Previous, stronger generations of mankind have worked to get us to this point. They have struggled to raise humanity aloft and passed the torch on. The farm is a replacement for a dangerous or unsuccessful hunt. It is the payoff without the work. The farm animal’s predicament illustrates mankind’s level of mastery over the elements, over this world. What greater image to show mankind’s complete domination over a species. Complete, total, unarguable domination.

    This doesn’t make animals any less beautiful in my eyes. No less to be cherished and loved, to be treated kindly and with respect. The foundation of this is love. But I love all parts of them, not just a “cute baby pig face”. I love the genius of a parasite, the sheer unconscious audacity of a living creature to bore into the eye of a greater host and eat it from the inside. Into its eye. Could you think up such a thing? Could a sadist invent a concept so pure and void of any discernable good or ill morality, without self-serving pleasure, without mindful intent - just sheer purpose and survival? It’s a beautiful thing.

    Social conditioning. That's all.

    Nonsense. I am an animal.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #217 - March 13, 2011, 08:51 PM

    Are you trying to get me fired from my job Bolshevik? I will tell you everything you want to know about the Hairy Turk. I will even send you my nekkid pictures.  I just wanna trace where you got that factoid from.


    You mentioned it.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #218 - March 13, 2011, 08:58 PM

    @MAB

    Quote
    what I would like to know is why a sane person would think it is normal to eat dead flesh.


    Have you maintained your high intake of stupid pills despite my admonition to desist? Fess up. I will expose you. And your sexy bum.

    Nevertheless, what is not 'normal' about it? Are such opinions themselves not reduced merely to a kind of social conditioning, which you so decry? Surely you realise that it is entirely normal for organisms to eat the flesh of other organisms? You yourself no-doubt eat plants at least. Guess what. The plants you eat are and were living organisms.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #219 - March 13, 2011, 09:02 PM

    @Ishina

    Quote
    The farm animal’s predicament illustrates mankind’s level of mastery over the elements, over this world.


    Lol @ that.

    You've heard about what's going on in Japan right now, yeah?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #220 - March 13, 2011, 09:04 PM

    Omg I just cried :(  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

    That video just scared the shit out of me

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #221 - March 13, 2011, 09:05 PM

    @Ishina

    Your contention seems to be that slaughtering a cow is an expression of our animal vitality, that it's mark of virility. It's not. Killing a tame domesticated lamb with no means of self-defence is not manly. It's cowardice. It would be manly to hunt a tiger. We kill only such animals as are the weakest and powerless. If you brought home the skin of a lion that would merit applause. Beating up on a harmless cow is not the bravest thing.

    If the subjection of other species is meritorious then so is the maltreatment of other races. Afterall men have evolved differently. Why should a white man treat a black man with the same courtesy that he affords to his own race? Call it social Darwinism.

  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #222 - March 13, 2011, 09:06 PM

    You've heard about what's going on in Japan right now, yeah?

    Yeah.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #223 - March 13, 2011, 09:09 PM

    Your contention seems to be that slaughtering a cow is an expression of our animal vitality, that it's mark of virility. It's not. Killing a tame domesticated lamb with no means of self-defence is not manly. It's cowardice. It would be manly to hunt a tiger. We kill only such animals as are the weakest and powerless. If you brought home the skin of a lion that would merit applause. Beating up on a harmless cow is not the bravest thing.

    What's bravery got to do with anything I said?

    If the subjection of other species is meritorious then so is the maltreatment of other races. Afterall men have evolved differently. Why should a white man treat a black with the same courtesy that he affords to his own race?

    It's 2011. We are all mongrels. Define 'race'.

    Call it social Darwinism.

    Derp.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #224 - March 13, 2011, 09:11 PM

    You mentioned it.

    I did? Not good. Can you show me where? I don't like to post private information on message boards for employment reasons. Some people know my personal identity through private messaging. But nothing on the public domain that might be Googled by colleagues.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #225 - March 13, 2011, 09:13 PM

    Your very first post, for a start.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #226 - March 13, 2011, 09:22 PM

    What's bravery got to do with anything I said?

    You depicted the exploitation of animals as akin to the ferocious wars fought by neolithic men with sabre toothed tigers. I suggest that it's more akin to kicking a man who is down.

    It's 2011. We are all mongrels. Define 'race'

    Do you want this conversation to devolve into semantics like a roomful of arcane philosophers? We all know what is meant by race. Of course we are mongrels. We are also mammals. But presumably we know the difference between a man and a kangaroo. The difference between a black man and a white man is equally plain. So tell me why the maltreatment of other mammals cannot be applied to other races or for that matter other genders? Why is it wrong to reserve privileged treatment for only whites or men?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #227 - March 13, 2011, 09:32 PM

    You depicted the exploitation of animals as akin to the ferocious wars fought by neolithic men with sabre toothed tigers. I suggest that it's more akin to kicking a man who is down.

    That's cute, but I asked what bravery has to do with anything I said. It's not important though.

    Do you want this conversation to devolve into semantics like a roomful of arcane philosophers? We all know what is meant by race. Of course we are mongrels. We are also mammals. But presumably we know the difference between a man and a kangaroo. The difference between a black man and a white man is equally plain. So tell me why the maltreatment of other mammals cannot be applied to other races or for that matter other genders? Why is it wrong to reserve privileged treatment for only whites or men?

    You're better than this.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #228 - March 13, 2011, 09:58 PM

    Better than what Ishina?
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #229 - March 13, 2011, 10:07 PM

    Your very first post, for a start.

    Okay. Just checked. If that is all I said then I'm in the clear.

    @Q-Man

    If you wanna see my nekkid pictures and such like personal info send me a PM.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #230 - March 13, 2011, 10:13 PM

    I’m not gonna be goaded into a quicksand debate about the ‘differences between a black man and a white man’ with you. Don’t be fucking stupid.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #231 - March 13, 2011, 10:56 PM

    I don’t just eat meat for the taste. Not because medium-rare, juicy steak I consider to be the best tasting edible thing I have ever tasted.  I don’t eat it just because of its nutritional value. I eat a balanced diet, but I’m not a calorie counter. I also eat it because I crave it. I have an appetite for it. I like the idea of consuming flesh. Consuming life makes me feel stronger - better, faster, more alert, more in tune with the universe, more alive. It’s a natural pattern. It is symbolic of a primal instinctual ritual - the struggle of life, the romance of the hunt. If there were beasts roaming the concrete jungle of Manchester, I’d hunt them myself.

    The same when I crunch on a cool, crisp, fresh lettuce leaf. I’m still devouring life so that I can live - not just survive, but truly live. I’m tasting what the earth offers me. I’m exploring the universe fully with one of my senses.

    This is almost the gayest thing I've read here so far.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #232 - March 13, 2011, 11:00 PM

    Lord, how daft this woman is. I did not ask you for the difference between a black and a white. I asked you on what grounds you would object to a Ku Kluxer who maintained that he could justifiably maltreat a man of a different race because, like a being from another species, he did not share the same biology as him.

  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #233 - March 13, 2011, 11:05 PM

    Omg I just cried :(  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

    That video just scared the shit out of me

    Although I posted that one many times, but I couldn't watch myself past few seconds..

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  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #234 - March 13, 2011, 11:14 PM

    Lord, how daft this woman is. I did not ask you for the difference between a black and a white. I asked you on what grounds you would object to a Ku Kluxer who maintained that he could justifiably maltreat a man of a different race because, like a being from another species, he did not share the same biology as him.




     popcorn
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #235 - March 13, 2011, 11:40 PM

    This is almost the gayest thing I've read here so far.

    And I've read more coherent insight written by a class of nursery kids wielding magic markers for fucking swords than from your entire string of posts thus far on this forum. Good job, bro.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #236 - March 13, 2011, 11:42 PM

    Are you people getting trolled willingly or accidentally?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #237 - March 13, 2011, 11:44 PM

    I asked you on what grounds you would object to a Ku Kluxer who maintained that he could justifiably maltreat a man of a different race because, like a being from another species, he did not share the same biology as him.


    I wouldn't object. I'd uppercut the fucker.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #238 - March 13, 2011, 11:45 PM

    Trolled by who?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Being Vegetarian (continued from shout box)
     Reply #239 - March 13, 2011, 11:45 PM

    And I've read more coherent insight written by a class of nursery kids wielding magic markers for fucking swords than from your entire string of posts thus far on this forum. Good job, bro.

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