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  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #60 - March 20, 2011, 12:45 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on March 20, 2011, 12:33 AM
    I was gonna vote lib dems but my mum didn't let me (out of religious reasons  Cheesy )


    She didn't let you vote for religious reasons full stop, or she didn't let you vote for the lib dems specifically? What about the lib dems offended her religion?
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #61 - March 20, 2011, 12:46 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on March 20, 2011, 12:33 AM
    Protests against the Iraq war, student protests regarding the uni fees increase, amount of millionaires in Cameron's cabinet etc. all indicate to me we don't live in a democracy. I was gonna vote lib dems but my mum didn't let me (out of religious reasons  Cheesy ) but now I'm glad I didn't vote.

    Why don't you fuck off back to Pakistan then? Please, since you hate the west so much, fuck off back here and live like a Pakistani girl, you don't deserve any of the freedoms you have been given by the west, including the freedom to decide 'not to marry a freshy'
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #62 - March 20, 2011, 12:50 AM
    Quote from: billy on March 20, 2011, 12:45 AM
    She didn't let you vote for religious reasons full stop, or she didn't let you vote for the lib dems specifically? What about the lib dems offended her religion?



    She didn't let me vote full stop. Apparently voting for laws other than those of Allah is a form of polytheism, she is a deobandi  Roll Eyes
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #63 - March 20, 2011, 12:54 AM
    Quote from: billy on March 20, 2011, 12:43 AM
    Well, there is no such thing as a perfect democracy. Democracy isn't a state you arrive at, and then reach utopia, democracy is a process and a constant struggle to refine and defend it and perfect through institutions, free elections and liberal, individual rights priveliged over the collective. So I'd say, you have degrees of democratic societies.




    Yes I agree. We have free elections, individual rights and the right to speak our mind. I'm not saying we're ran dictatorship or anything, I just think we could be more democratic. And its up to the people to change and refine it.
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #64 - March 20, 2011, 12:59 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on March 20, 2011, 12:50 AM
    She didn't let me vote full stop. Apparently voting for laws other than those of Allah is a form of polytheism, she is a deobandi  Roll Eyes


    You poor thing. A salafi boyfriend and a deobandi mum.

    Are you allowed to eat ice cream or do they ban that too?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #65 - March 20, 2011, 01:06 AM
     Cheesy

    Actually he's my ex and he's technically an ex-muslim coz he doesn't believe in angels or Allah, but weirdly still has islamist views :S. As for my mum she's kinda weird coz like she's open minded enough to accept evolution or didn't mind me having a bf but she's staunchly anti-sufis, shias etc.
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #66 - March 20, 2011, 01:27 AM
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     Reply #67 - March 20, 2011, 01:41 AM
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  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #68 - March 20, 2011, 01:43 AM
    And they lost too. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #69 - March 20, 2011, 01:56 AM
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  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #70 - March 20, 2011, 04:47 AM
    Its not polite to ask for porn in public MAB.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #71 - March 20, 2011, 09:28 AM
    Quote from: billy on March 19, 2011, 11:25 PM
    Whatever RIBS feels about it, thats my stance.

    +1

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 01:41 AM
    Does one see the Warsaw Pact still milling around? No, it had the decency to dissolve itself when the Cold War turned cold dead.

    Perhaps the fact that Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania decide to switch sides had something to do with it? Or the fact that Ukraine and Georgia are still trying to do the same?

    Somehow I feel that "decency" had little to do with it. It was probably more related to the fact that Warsaw pact (and Soviet socio-economic model) lost the Cold War.

    Btw how come that US involvement in military action in Libya is being scrutinised but French part in it (they were the main protagonists of such an action) is somehow seen as much less acute?

    Quote from: Aphrodite on March 20, 2011, 01:06 AM
    Actually he's my ex and he's technically an ex-muslim coz he doesn't believe in angels or Allah, but weirdly still has islamist views :S.

    You think that's weird. It's not weird at all - actually it's exactly what one would expect. You see, saying that I no longer believe in a Pink Unicorn at the bottom of my garden is easy but critically evaluating one's values and narrative stemming from such beliefs thus effectively concluding that they are a pile of shit is much more complicated. Tribalism dies hard.
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #72 - March 20, 2011, 09:37 AM
    double post
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #73 - March 20, 2011, 11:05 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on March 20, 2011, 01:06 AM
    Cheesy

    Actually he's my ex and he's technically an ex-muslim coz he doesn't believe in angels or Allah, but weirdly still has islamist views :S.

    Good! So now would be an appropriate time to invite him.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: U.S Involvement in Libya?
     Reply #74 - March 20, 2011, 11:08 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 01:27 AM
    I gave you one source already. The book of the State Department's William Blum.

    I've done some research on that guy, and it seems that he had a 'low level computer related position' at the state department? Also, he was endorsed by Osama Bin Laden and he was glad for it? Seems just like another conspiracy theorist to me.

    Do you give more credibility to him than those people who have worked for the U.S gov and claim that its secretly hiding evidence of U.F.Os and aliens, or do you give them equal credibility?  See for example this :
    http://www.disclosureproject.org/

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 01:27 AM
    For the US support for the Indonesian tyrant Suharto's genocide in East Timor that claimed 200,000 lives consult here and here for the Wikipedia entry:  

    For the US military support of Turkey's slaughter of 40,000 Kurds see here and here:


    Was the U.S fully aware at the time of its military support to those countries, that this support would be used to kill civilians in that way? Nowadays information is a lot more easy to obtain because of the internet, but back in 1980s-1990s it wasn't so.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #75 - March 20, 2011, 11:38 AM
    Renamed the thread to 'Intervention in Libya' so all intervention can be discussed, not just U.S...
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #76 - March 20, 2011, 11:43 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 01:27 AM
    There is forests and forests of evidence to document that the US has been actively complicit in mass murder. I gave you one source already. The book of the State Department's William Blum. For the US support for the Indonesian tyrant Suharto's genocide in East Timor that claimed 200,000 lives.

    True. However to be fair one should also mention the fact that US under new administration eventually reversed the decision and supported mediation efforts between Indonesia and Portugal and provided crucial logistic and diplomatic support throughout the crisis, while the cruiser USS Mobile Bay protected the INTERFET naval fleet and a U.S. Marine infantry battalion of 1,000 men—plus armour and artillery—was also stationed off the coast aboard the USS Belleau Wood in order to provide a strategic reserve in the event of significant armed opposition during operations conducted by International Force for East Timor (INTERFET) when President Habibie agreed to withdraw Indonesian soldiers and to allow an Australian-led international peacekeeping force to enter East Timor.

    In fact one of the reasons why al-Qa'ida is fighting Americans and 'Westerners' in general is the fact that US, Australia and others insisted that Indonesian control over East Timor should end and that they supported independence of East Timor:

    "What do your governments want from their alliance with America in attacking us in Afghanistan?

    I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.

    We warned Australia before not to join in [the war] in Afghanistan, and [against] its despicable effort to separate East Timor.

    It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali."
                                                                                    - Osama bin Laden in his speech
  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #77 - March 20, 2011, 12:11 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on March 20, 2011, 12:06 AM

    Is that your chacha?


     Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #78 - March 20, 2011, 05:49 PM
    People can criticise the methods that might eventually be employed, or the motives behind the (late) response, or perceived parallels with other endeavours that didn't work out, but nobody can criticise the mission and still claim any moral high ground.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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     Reply #79 - March 20, 2011, 08:27 PM
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     Reply #82 - March 20, 2011, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 08:42 PM
    Do you know what a joke looks like Kenan? Did you think I was being serious about the Chomsky reference too?

    Sure. I thought that it was pretty obvious that I wasn't entirely serious either.
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     Reply #83 - March 20, 2011, 09:22 PM
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  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #84 - March 20, 2011, 09:47 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 08:42 PM
    Because when we speak of NATO everybody understands that we are not speaking of Bulgaria or Albania although both are NATO members. NATO is the international fig leaf for the greatest imperial power on earth  without whom nothing is ever done in its name.

    But in this case the French seemed to be the ones who initially had the initiative.
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  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #85 - March 20, 2011, 09:48 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 08:27 PM
    The word conspiracy I note drops from your lips with the frequency that a prostitute changes her knickers



    Quote from: Mount A Bison on March 20, 2011, 08:27 PM
    , but I fear that your  command of English is defective as your history.  The law of conspiracy is nothing more than two or more persons acting in concert to effect an illegal end. It does not mean something to do with UFOs......

    That's not what I asked you. Do you or do you not give the same credibility to the UFO reports made by U.S state employees in the link I posted as you give to that book written by that William guy who worked at the state department? I'm sure there are things in that book which are undocumented elsewhere, which you still believe. Aren't there?
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  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #86 - March 20, 2011, 10:26 PM
    HEAVY Street to street fighting in Misurata. This is the heaviest combat seen in days with Gaddafi tanks rolling through the main square of the city where only days ago rebels were celebrating the announcement of a no-fly zone over Libya. Casualties are heavy as tanks and Gaddafi loyalists open fire on pretty much everything. The city remains contests with many areas still in rebel hands or are still being reported to be scenes of intense firefights. Last report suggests that at least 2 Gaddafi loyalist tanks were destroyed. Fighting is continuing as of this post.

    In the town of Zintan, a small town approx. 120km west of Tripoli Government tanks and artillery have been bombarding the city for 3 days straight without any indication of a possible entrance into the city, civilian deaths have been reported with doctors running low on supplies.

    In the rebel 'capital' rebels are reporting 96 dead from the clashes in Benghazi but with the siege of the city ended now that the Libyan forces outside the city were annihilated rebels are now on their way to Ajdabiyah to relieve the government siege on the town. Reuters reports that at least 14 tanks, 20 APCs and other vehicles have been destroyed near Benghazi.



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  • Re: Intervention in Libya?
     Reply #87 - March 20, 2011, 10:29 PM
    1916: ChangeInLibya tweets: "Revolutionaries surrounding a Gaddafi base south of Zintan are still surrounding it but will not go in till area is safe.

    20:33 Almanara Media reports that heavy explosions have been heard from inside Gaddafi’s battalion base in south Az-Zintan. The base was surrounded by revolutionary forces and the cause of the explosions is unconfirmed so far. The revolutionaries have withdrawn and the soldiers inside have fled north and south. No one is planning to go near the base for fear that it may be a target for air strikes.


    [Dernière minute] Une colonne de fumée aperçue dans le secteur de la résidence de Kadhafi à Tripoli.

    Translation: A smoke column was seen in Gaddafi's habitation sector in Tripoli.

    Sauce: Le Monde
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     Reply #88 - March 20, 2011, 10:29 PM
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