Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents

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Reply #60 - March 28, 2011, 01:05 AM

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Dunno about that. Unless he suffers from a bout of Salafi burn-out. He seems like a dyed-in-the-wool Islamist to me.

that's exactly what i was thinking... a bout of salafi burn-out shall do the job.

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Reply #61 - March 28, 2011, 01:58 AM

Quote from: billy on March 27, 2011, 10:47 PM
Imran, any belief system that actively teaches with sadistic clarity to brainwash its new adherents into this state of pathology and sundering the bond between a child and its parents is truly depraved. Instead of reflecting on this, you wallow in it like a pig in shit.

[b ]This is the methodology of a very sinister cult.[/b] Islam does not deserve any respect for this disgusting process

You hit the nail on the head here Billy. I think that Islam is the world's largest cult and Fundamentalist Christianity is a close second.

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Reply #62 - March 28, 2011, 08:30 AM

He seemed genuinely upset at the start, but at the end seemed to be forcing the strained voice etc, possibly in order to try to manipulate this bad situation in order to dawah the audience and make his parents' torturer happy with him.

How can one love someone that is going to toture those they love?

Knowing his parents are being tortured in fire, how can eternity in heaven be called "heaven."

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Reply #63 - March 28, 2011, 12:25 PM

That's a sad and disturbing video. For a second there, I thought he was going to apostatise at the end.

Rational and empathetical human would see Allah as cruel but the ones with blind faith would see him as merciful.

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Knowing his parents are being tortured in fire, how can eternity in heaven be called "heaven."

Indeed, I'd be depressed living in heaven knowing good people I love tortured in hellfire.
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Reply #64 - March 28, 2011, 12:52 PM

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Knowing his parents are being tortured in fire, how can eternity in heaven be called "heaven."

Its twisted man, just twisted.

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Reply #65 - March 28, 2011, 12:54 PM

Quote from: debunker on March 28, 2011, 12:31 AM
No actually billy's wrong. bluecake is just reporting what his God tells him, in a holy scripture, about Himself.

OK. But lets not absolve individuals of their own agency completely, or else they will never grasp that agency when their conscience eventually calls.

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Reply #66 - March 28, 2011, 01:11 PM

billy you and your CEMBIANS are inciting innocent Muslims, Muslims have no problem with the discussion and freedom of expression but don't say Prophet was pedophile or Prophet of Islam was SODOM(sex obsessed dirty old man)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyQheMaQXM8

for God's sake with freedom of expression you guys are putting fire under Prophet's ass. That is wrong ..

very wrong billy..

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Reply #67 - March 28, 2011, 01:11 PM

Well, I was once told, that if your parents refuse you to do dawah then you should also remmeber that on day of judgement, shaytan will disguise himself as your parents, so this is a sign of end times.

Islam is a divider, it destroys peoples families, its a gang mentality faith that is typical with the slogan you are with us or against us.

Why cant he pray for his parents? he is trying to say they will go to hell.

He is misled by petrol dollars. He thinks with all this publicity hes some what important.
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Reply #68 - March 28, 2011, 01:13 PM

What a freak
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Reply #69 - March 28, 2011, 04:12 PM

Hamza Tzortzis is forever harping on about the "rational", "logical", "inimitable", "miraculous", "philosophical", "intellectual" nature of Islam and the Quran... so it's amazing that he hasn't managed to convince his own parents to adopt this religion which is supposedly oh-so-rational, logical, inimitable, miraculous, philosophical, and intellectual.

What gives?

It's also interesting that from a speech which was probably 2 hours long, IERA chose this particular clip of Hamza crying as their trailer. The dawahgandists do like to appeal to emotion after all. I'm sure many Muslims watched this clip and had a lump in their throats.

For people like me however, the thought of God burning non-Muslims in the hell fire was one of the biggest reasons which made me LEAVE Islam, so their appeal to emotion would've backedfired on me several years ago.

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Reply #70 - March 28, 2011, 04:15 PM

Shahid, its a complete lack of critical self awareness. That anyone could gloat and revel in this abominaton as an affirmation of their faith actually leaves all sane people feeling disgust. Dawah-gandists are along with Ummah Identity Politics, the worst enemies of Muslims.

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Reply #71 - March 28, 2011, 09:15 PM

Yep, a complete lack of critical self awareness. Or they're just brainwashed beyond repair.

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Reply #72 - March 28, 2011, 09:37 PM

you guys have to realize

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Hamza Andreas Tzortzis is a public speaker on Islam, a researcher, a writer and activist [1]. Hamza has debated various academics and intellectuals and delivers presentations on topics ranging from Does God Exist? to Can we live better lives without religion?. Tzortzis is also a former member of the controversial Islamist movement Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

Hamza is a regular speaker at university campuses and has also lectured around the world including the USA, Malaysia, Canada and Lebanon. He has authored a number of publications, including the popular website 'The Inimitable Quran' as well as serialising a number of articles on his blog. He has also led research on non-Muslims perceptions of Islam through the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmNGyGkFl8

That guy Hamza Andreas Tzortzis is beyond repair..... Lucky for him Muslim brotherhood got subdued since early 2001... otherwise he would have become this guy

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Reply #73 - March 28, 2011, 11:14 PM

Quote from: debunker on March 28, 2011, 12:31 AM
No actually billy's wrong. bluecake is just reporting what his God tells him, in a holy scripture, about Himself.

Perhaps but I am more interested in the mechanics of the "transcendence" argument. It is an argument that tried to negate countervailing evidence while accepting the same conclusion as before. I would point out that that is a two way street.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #74 - March 29, 2011, 12:34 AM

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Reply #75 - March 29, 2011, 12:47 AM

It is like watching a torture porn firm.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #76 - July 23, 2011, 12:56 AM

Here's another video of Hamza speaking about his late grandad. He loved his grandad, his grandad meant the world to him, his grandad taught Hamza almost everything... but... unfortunately his grandad is burning in hell now because he died a non-Muslim. Hamza had one last chance to give him dawah when he was dying, but ran out of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievFvz5DLWk

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Reply #77 - July 23, 2011, 07:04 AM

Religion becomes a dominating social problem when the supposedly pious begin taking the faith of others seriously.

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Reply #78 - July 23, 2011, 07:22 AM

Religion has always been a problem when someone disagrees with it, but that is true of a lot of social paradigms.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #79 - July 23, 2011, 07:39 AM

Everyone hamza loves is going to be eternally burned by the one he loves the most. I wonder how his parents feel about having their son say that they and their own parents deserve to burn? I know it would break my heart to have one of my children think that about me.

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Reply #80 - July 23, 2011, 10:29 AM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on July 23, 2011, 12:56 AM
Here's another video of Hamza speaking about his late grandad. He loved his grandad, his grandad meant the world to him, his grandad taught Hamza almost everything... but... unfortunately his grandad is burning in hell now because he died a non-Muslim. Hamza had one last chance to give him dawah when he was dying, but ran out of time.

This is just deeply, profoundly disturbing.

Its amazing how Islam inculcates a self loathing into converts, almost universally. I can't think of a single example of a convert I know, or have encountered, in which a cultivation of self loathing to some degree is not central. And yet in accounts of conversion its more or less presented as a happy, shiny, lovely thing - like becoming a hippy or something.

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Reply #81 - July 23, 2011, 11:26 AM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on July 23, 2011, 12:56 AM
Here's another video of Hamza speaking about his late grandad. He loved his grandad, his grandad meant the world to him, his grandad taught Hamza almost everything... but... unfortunately his grandad is burning in hell now because he died a non-Muslim. Hamza had one last chance to give him dawah when he was dying, but ran out of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievFvz5DLWk

Wow, so he worships a tyrant who tortures his most dear ones for eternity for no apparent reason? That makes sense.

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Reply #82 - July 23, 2011, 11:28 AM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 23, 2011, 07:39 AM
Everyone hamza loves is going to be eternally burned by the one he loves the most. I wonder how his parents feel about having their son say that they and their own parents deserve to burn? I know it would break my heart to have one of my children think that about me.

Exactly. Even if he goes into heaven, how could he take pleasure in it hearing the agonizing screams of his loved ones for eternity? Isn't that itself an eternal torture? Of course, unless he's a twisted evil bastard.

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Reply #83 - July 23, 2011, 12:37 PM

I'm sure he can easily explain his warped way of thinking by saying...

"First and foremost... blah blah blah... what you need to understand... blah blah blah... the Quran is the only book which is viewed in an inter and intra-textual sense... which basically means that the Quran is the only book which gives us the tools to interpret it... blah blah blah... so the general Islamic theological viewpoint is that... blah blah blah... *lump in throat*...

^ Does he just say all that crap at the beginning of his replies to give him time to gather his thoughts? He is a master at pseudo intellectually waffling.

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Reply #84 - July 23, 2011, 12:45 PM

now why is it...if its someone you love, rush to give dawa. if its
someone you hate, KEEL THEM! wth with the double standards.

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Reply #85 - July 23, 2011, 01:46 PM

Another question:
If after burning his parents for 1 hundred billion years in hell Allah said to Hamza "It's up to you, shall we let them come into paradise now?" would Hamza say "Yes" or would he say "No, they deserve to burn forever?"

If he says they deserve to burn then he is an evil bastard.
If he says to let them out then he is more merciful than Allah.

I wonder how he would have answered that one?

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Reply #86 - July 23, 2011, 02:05 PM

Subhanallah! That's a very good question. Damn why did that Skype debate fall through!

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Reply #87 - July 23, 2011, 02:16 PM

Because I have questions like that

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Reply #88 - July 25, 2011, 09:10 PM

Quote from: Elifaz on March 27, 2011, 10:43 PM
And this is why I find it difficult to respect coverts. They embrace Islam either knowing, or knowing shortly thereafter that their parents, who loved them, brought them up, will be roasting in a giant barbeque for all eternity.

How the hell (pun not intended) someone can reconcile that with any kind of almighty being is the pinnacle of fucked-uppery for me.

When I converted I didn't know that my non-Muslim family would be viewed this way. The dawahgandists claimed that as Christians my family would be regarded as "People of The Book" and would not be condemned. I only learned the truth after I converted and was never able to accept such a wicked and evil idea. It made me see that Islam was no better than Christianity, the religion I had left to convert to Islam.

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Reply #89 - August 05, 2011, 05:38 PM

Quote from: billy on March 27, 2011, 10:30 PM
I've got to say, I use the word 'wicked' very rarely, but this is a truly wicked, disturbed, nasty, horrible, psychologically depraved and disgusting thing that Islam teaches.

His poor father and mother.

Islam teaches the convert to burn all his and her bridges and fills them with self loathing and hatred for their familial, cultural, and societal roots. This is just sadism and cruelty pure and simple.

This is the reality of the psychological perversion that dawah promotes.

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It's disgusting and twisted.

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