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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #180 - November 12, 2011, 01:40 AM

    I saw the video clip... poor lady .. another poor victim of a vicious dogma ..

  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #181 - November 12, 2011, 01:42 AM

    Zakir Naik is a complete Douchebag
    stupid mullah
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #182 - December 18, 2011, 11:44 PM

    I'm just really disturbed by what some Muslims converts are putting their parents through.  On 25th August 2011 Abdur Raheem Green tweeted this message...

    Please make dua'a for my father who is critically ill that Allah (SWT) opens his heart to the light of Islam and if he is to die, let him die in a state of eeman. Ameen


    After that Abdur Raheem Green didn't post anything else about the condition of his father, but today on 1st Oct 2011 he tweeted this message...

    Dear brothers and sisters, May Allah have mercy on you and reward you for all your du'aas which, All Praises due to Allah, have been answered.
    Around 10 Days ago, my father said the testimony of Faith and a few days ago despite him being barely able to talk we spent half an hour repeating over and over the shahaadah.

    Last night at 2220 I received a call from my Mother informing me that my Father Passed away.

    Insha'Allah he died as a person of eemaan.
    Please continue to make dua'a for him and of course that my mother is guided to Islam.
    Jazakallah-khair,
    Abdurraheem


    Firstly, I offer my condolences.  May his father Rest In Peace.

    I really do not believe that his father said the testimony of faith "10 days ago".  I think Abdur Raheem Green would've announced that quite ecstatically at the time on his twitter and facebook if that were truly the case.

    Also, the thought of his severely ill father who was "barely able to talk" on his deathbed repeating the shahaadah over and over again (forced by his son Abdur no doubt) is just disturbing.  Why not let the poor man die in peace?


    I can't believe this!...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdNVfEpfOfk

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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #183 - December 18, 2011, 11:46 PM

    Zakir Naik is a complete Douchebag
    stupid mullah


    Absolute utter mong, he really is. Imagine Hoor Al-ayn trying to suck that twat off? More than good enough to convince me that Islam is not true, I tell ya!
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #184 - December 18, 2011, 11:49 PM

    I can't believe Abdurraheem Green is actually releasing video footage of his dying father repeating the shahadah after him.  Abdurraheem Green is a disturbed, disturbed man.

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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #185 - December 18, 2011, 11:57 PM

    Yep, he's another idiot. I remember watching a clip of him trying to justify evolution and that it doesn't contradicts Islam, basically it was a load of none sense, complete utter ignorant none sense.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #186 - December 19, 2011, 01:27 AM

    That truly is a very disturbing video by Mr. Green. While his father was dying all he cared about was converting him to Islam. 
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #187 - December 19, 2011, 02:48 AM

    I can't believe Abdurraheem Green is actually releasing video footage of his dying father repeating the shahadah after him.  Abdurraheem Green is a disturbed, disturbed man.


    Abduraham Green is a Muslim apologist. I am not surprised on his dawah-tactic.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #188 - December 19, 2011, 03:42 AM

    Exploiting the dying. His own father too. That's just about as low as anyone can go. I sincerely hope he lives to realise what a terrible thing he's done. Assuming he even has any moral fibre left within him and that his religion has not ploughed out his conscience completely.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #189 - December 19, 2011, 12:11 PM


    How low can someone go?

    Here's the thing - in the febrile, closed, desperate coterie of converts and dawah neurotic Muslims this might look like a righteous act, but to the rest of the world, it is truly disturbing, dark, twisted, inhumane and makes Islam look ever so slightly sinister.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #190 - December 19, 2011, 07:01 PM

    i wouldn't be surprised if iera got an actor to play his ARG's father.

    Islamic apologists always appeal to emotion with mushy sentimental crap anecdotes like this....."OH HE SAVED HIMSELF AND FELT THE LOVE OF ALLAH NEAR HIS LAST BREATHS BUT U STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME !"
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #191 - December 19, 2011, 07:27 PM

    Look guys, look at it this way, if that gave abduls father some peace then so what if he utter some gibberish words? Think about it like this.

    Imagine you're on a highway, and a car crashes which has a family in it, and a 5 year old child, everyone dies, the child's head is ripped off, but the father survives, and he is crying and screaming for his dead family, and he is holding his head-less child in his arms. And you're there and you have to comfort this man, what would you do? would you really say: "that's is his dead its over, you're never going to see your family again" and TJ pointed this out in one of his videos he said you'd surely make something up, even if you knew it was a lie.

    In this, in the case of his father, we can only assume his father was forced into doing this, we simply don't know (am sure Abdul tried relentlessly) in the end if his father took the shahada and that makes him feel better about his dead father being in a better place rather then burning in hell. I think its too short sighted to just lambaste Abdul and his father for the actions. 

    But posting the video on the internet is just, assholish thing to do.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #192 - December 19, 2011, 07:37 PM

    I agree with you KT, i don't see the big deal.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #193 - December 19, 2011, 10:20 PM


    But posting the video on the internet is just, assholish thing to do.

    Which Video are you talking and who posted  that  on internet in the first place Tut?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T4WSqcFTuU

    hmmm good one..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #194 - December 20, 2011, 11:23 AM

    Look guys, look at it this way, if that gave abduls father some peace then so what if he utter some gibberish words? Think about it like this.

    Imagine you're on a highway, and a car crashes which has a family in it, and a 5 year old child, everyone dies, the child's head is ripped off, but the father survives, and he is crying and screaming for his dead family, and he is holding his head-less child in his arms. And you're there and you have to comfort this man, what would you do? would you really say: "that's is his dead its over, you're never going to see your family again" and TJ pointed this out in one of his videos he said you'd surely make something up, even if you knew it was a lie.

    In this, in the case of his father, we can only assume his father was forced into doing this, we simply don't know (am sure Abdul tried relentlessly) in the end if his father took the shahada and that makes him feel better about his dead father being in a better place rather then burning in hell. I think its too short sighted to just lambaste Abdul and his father for the actions.

    I hate responding to stupid, ill-thought-out, almost headache-inducing posts with silly analogies and strawman arguments (and the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors don’t help either).

    You said ”if that gave abduls father some peace”.  WTF?  I don’t think it gave his father any peace.  The only person who was garnering any peace out of this was Abdur himself.  Nobody is lambasting Abdurs father .  His father was a dying man who was none the wiser.  I am however lambasting a belief system which creates the kinda warped, disturbed mentality displayed by Abdur who believes his father will burn in hell unless he utters these words.

    As for your stupid example of a car crash on the highway in which a whole family is wiped out except the father who is left holding his headless child in his arms.... erm.... appeal to emotion much?

    Aside from the dead and the person mourning the dead, your carcrash scenario (no pun) also consists of a third party who is trying to reassure the person mourning the dead.  That is not the case here.  There was no third party involved when Abdur was trying to convert his dying father whilst filming it on camera to show on the IERA youtube channel.


    But posting the video on the internet is just, assholish thing to do.

    ^ That was the only sensible thing you said.

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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #195 - December 20, 2011, 11:42 AM

    I agree with you KT, i don't see the big deal.

    Wouldn't it be interesting if, when Abdur is old and frail and dying on a hospital bed, someone manages to make him utter some words in a language he doesn't understand such as... "Muhammad was not a prophet, Islam is not true, the Quran is false".  Then we can tell the world that Abdur died a non-Muslim, in a state of disbelief.

    Everybody has a right to self-determination and to leave their legacy after death which reflects what they really were and what they really believed in.  Abdur's father was a non-Muslim who lived his entire life as a non-Muslim and dispite his son Abdur's best efforts to give him dawah and pester him for over 20 years, he still chose to REJECT Islam and remain a non-Muslim.

    But for Adbur to then exploit his dying father and get a "shahadah" out of him when he is literally on his last breath is a sick, twisted, distubing thing to do.

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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #196 - December 20, 2011, 11:55 AM

    Was he a Christian? A Jew? Did he believe in any other religion? If the answer is no, then you can't compare it to someone doing the same thing to Green.

    At the end of the day, Green's father taking the Shahada hasn't harmed anyone and certainly won't harm himself because he won't know that he's dead.

    The only terrible thing he did was to put a clip of it on the Internet. The main issue here should have been him getting  truly lambasted for doing that, but instead.... you're focusing on a far less important issue. An issue which should have stayed private in the family, an issue which you, now that you are an ex-muslim, naturally have a strong opinion against.

    Put things into perspective will you...... this is not about your hatred of Islam or Muslims.

  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #197 - December 20, 2011, 12:55 PM

    I'm sorry what?  What is the far less important issue that I am focusing on?

    Bear in mind that I agree this should've been kept private (preferably within the warped mind of Abdur and no further than that)... but this ceased to be a private matter when Abdur openly started to talk about it on his facebook page, long before he went on to post a video clip of it too.

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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #198 - December 20, 2011, 01:12 PM

    Was he a Christian? A Jew? Did he believe in any other religion? If the answer is no, then you can't compare it to someone doing the same thing to Green.

    At the end of the day, Green's father taking the Shahada hasn't harmed anyone and certainly won't harm himself because he won't know that he's dead.

    The only terrible thing he did was to put a clip of it on the Internet. The main issue here should have been him getting  truly lambasted for doing that, but instead.... you're focusing on a far less important issue. An issue which should have stayed private in the family, an issue which you, now that you are an ex-muslim, naturally have a strong opinion against.

    Put things into perspective will you...... this is not about your hatred of Islam or Muslims.

    That is the most silliest thing I ever read from you DUMBO... Demba.. Simbha. please think bit more deep on that how Mr. Green's  emotionally   charged action of crying in front of his father to make  his  father as Muslim at the end of his life  harms Muslims and converted Muslims.  You must know that this converted white green man in Islamic world  is perceived as an intellectual Islamic giant saint. And he preaches.. In a way he telling the world of  converts use every possible way to convert your near and dear in to Islam.   

    You see there is a reason for Idolaters..  pagans, or animist.. Buddhists ..etc..  to convert in to Abrahamic faith. Because that monotheistic God thing  is new age thinking for faith heads.   But IT IS STUPID TO CONVERT the followers of earlier Abrahamic religions in to the lOST Abrahamic religion that is  Islam.  In that regard Mr. Green is stupidest fellow I have ever heard..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #199 - December 20, 2011, 03:08 PM

    I'm sorry what?  What is the far less important issue that I am focusing on?

    Bear in mind that I agree this should've been kept private (preferably within the warped mind of Abdur and no further than that)... but this ceased to be a private matter when Abdur openly started to talk about it on his facebook page, long before he went on to post a video clip of it too.



    Him urging his father to take his shahada. You seem far more incensed with that than actually the act of putting up that video on the internet.

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    That is the most silliest thing I ever read from you DUMBO... Demba.. Simbha



    Oh no, somebody is calling me dumbo... wow, very good. Cheesy Shame it's my real name.... how on earth will I ever get out of the house?  Roll Eyes

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    please think bit more deep on that how Mr. Green's  emotionally   charged action of crying in front of his father to make  his  father as Muslim at the end of his life  harms Muslims and converted Muslims.  You must know that this converted white green man in Islamic world  is perceived as an intellectual Islamic giant saint. And he preaches.. In a way he telling the world of  converts use every possible way to convert your near and dear in to Islam.   


    It harms no one. Once again, just like Shahid Raza, you're letting your views of Islam emotionally cloud your judgement here.


  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #200 - December 20, 2011, 03:32 PM


    Him urging his father to take his shahada. You seem far more incensed with that than actually the act of putting up that video on the internet.


    Dumbo.. who made that video in the first place and why they made it?  

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    Oh no, somebody is calling me dumbo... wow, very good. Cheesy Shame it's my real name.... how on earth will I ever get out of the house?  Roll Eyes

    Laughter is good medicine Demba.. Laughing  is good for health Simba

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    It harms no one. Once again, just like Shahid Raza, you're letting your views of Islam emotionally cloud your judgement here.

    well that is your level of understanding.   The emotional appeal is done by that guy the Green white Muslim..   You have to think bit more on that subject Dumbo   lol..
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #201 - December 20, 2011, 03:40 PM

    yeezevee, so how old are you? Do you and muddy get together for some sort of play-time competitions or something?

    I'll think more about that subject when you've grown some balls and passed puberty.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #202 - December 20, 2011, 03:51 PM

    yeezevee, so how old are you? Do you and muddy get together for some sort of play-time competitions or something?

    I'll think more about that subject when you've grown some balls and passed puberty.

    Demba ... you are drifting away from the subject of discussion ..   I understand your problem.

    Yes..yes I think about muddy and i think about you and i type with one hand and i masturbate with other hand Demba..   

    That is all what is there in my life...

    As far as balls are concerned .. they are there but I don't show them .. puberty  well old enough to know many things..

    please continue to read and write..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #203 - December 20, 2011, 05:29 PM

    Christopher Hitchens on deathbed conversions...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cPe_YS8i8

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #204 - December 20, 2011, 06:03 PM

    Christopher Hitchens on deathbed conversions...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cPe_YS8i8

    Huh!.... what happened to you  GodisNotGreat??

    why are you putting out ChrisSlap videos in to the thread of that great  Green white Islamic Saint?

    are you gay?  .. lol..   I think GOD WAS GAY...   lol..

    Damn  it appears whole CEMB is filled with gays and gaylords..   Thank you for that education dear Demba...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #205 - December 20, 2011, 06:35 PM

    I think you're getting obsessed with me, dear boy. I suggest you find something to take your mind off me.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #206 - December 20, 2011, 09:09 PM

    To be honest, half of everything yeezevee says is lost to me.

    But I think he means well  dance
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #207 - December 20, 2011, 10:34 PM

    I hate responding to stupid, ill-thought-out, almost headache-inducing posts with silly analogies and strawman arguments (and the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors don’t help either).


    No need for personal b.s. You responded out of choice, I think I made a valid point.

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    You said ”if that gave abduls father some peace”.  WTF?  I don’t think it gave his father any peace.


    Something unknown is simply the unknown. We simply don't know. End of. His father is dead, and it gives peace to Abdur that his father did some incantation before his death, and Abdur can sleep peacefully at night thinking his father is in a 'better place' so it had some benefit. 

     
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    The only person who was garnering any peace out of this was Abdur himself.  Nobody is lambasting Abdurs father .  His father was a dying man who was none the wiser.  I am however lambasting a belief system which creates the kinda warped, disturbed mentality displayed by Abdur who believes his father will burn in hell unless he utters these words.


    Maybe have you ever entertained this crazy ass idea, that the whole reason why religion exists is because it appeals to some innate trait in some? Abdur himself is a victim to Islam. Everything is not in black and white you have to look at things from a different perspective.     

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    As for your stupid example of a car crash on the highway in which a whole family is wiped out except the father who is left holding his headless child in his arms.... erm.... appeal to emotion much?


    That was not an appeal to emotion that as an analogy, another example can be a mother dying from cancer, and the family praying and doing some pointless incantation to resolve some psychological conflict. It gives them a peace of mind, its a well documented fact, try reading some Evolutionary Psychology Of Religion.

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    Aside from the dead and the person mourning the dead, your carcrash scenario (no pun) also consists of a third party who is trying to reassure the person mourning the dead.  That is not the case here.  There was no third party involved when Abdur was trying to convert his dying father whilst filming it on camera to show on the IERA youtube channel.


    Well filming it was, assholish like I said. Even if his father didn't believe in Islam, maybe you should try to entertain another crazy idea I am going to throw out for you. Imagine, you're dying and are on your death bed it is the last moment and you know it, your daughter is a Muslim and she is pleading with you to re-convert to Islam, since the REALLY believes you will burn in hell forever, would you not just do a conversion (which is pointless and has no meaning to you) to give some peace of mind to your daughter? As a human being, I can tell you in such as situation I wouldn't put past doing something so pathetic just to alleviate the pain of someone.

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    ^ That was the only sensible thing you said.


    ok.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #208 - December 20, 2011, 11:56 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsAVcJXvrCU

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
     Reply #209 - December 21, 2011, 01:52 AM

    Him urging his father to take his shahada. You seem far more incensed with that than actually the act of putting up that video on the internet.

    Is that what you're arguing with me about?  Huh?

    Have you somehow measured how "incensed" I am about each of these things, and nit-pickingly constructed a non-argument with your findings?  I concede.  Roll Eyes


    It harms no one. Once again, just like Shahid Raza, you're letting your views of Islam emotionally cloud your judgement here.

    If my views of Islam weren't "emotionally clouding my judgment" as you say... I still wouldn't think it is right to exploit a dying person like that.  His father WAS a non-Muslim, but his posthumous right to self determination has been taken away by his son Abdur who is telling the world that his dad died as a Muslim.

    Of course I understand why Abdur did what he did (because he's a brainwashed mule)... but the least he could've done is kept the whole thing private.


    Anything else you'd like to discuss?

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