Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents

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Reply #270 - December 22, 2011, 01:35 PM

Quote from: Moham Ali on December 22, 2011, 01:31 PM
No @yeezevee I am born to Libyan and Palestinian parents (my father is from Palestine and my mother is from Libya).

That is nice to know.. So basically you and even your parents grew up in Libya under Qaddafi Rule .

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Reply #271 - December 22, 2011, 01:37 PM

Quote from: The Demba on December 22, 2011, 01:33 PM
I didn't say that it was an insult. Read my post again. It is simply a form of obnoxiousness.

Get it?!

Oh..O.K Demba I get it now.. Yes.. obnoxiousness ..

obnoxious behavioral problem

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Reply #272 - December 22, 2011, 01:40 PM

Im not trying to argue here but i dont see whats obnoxious about a dawahgandist or whatever they called them showing a video of himself trying to convert his father into a muslim at his deathbed just to gain more converts to Islam.

Imagine if your son is one of them and recorded a video of him trying to convert you back to Islam by making you pronounce shahada and then posted it on youtube just to gain more followers into a religion that you hate

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Reply #273 - December 22, 2011, 01:47 PM

I've never lived in Libya but I spent months at a time in Libya. But my mother lived in Libya under Gaddafi's rule, she met him a few times as a child her own father was a respected member of the Gaddafa tribe (same tribe as Gaddafi). So you probably knows why I was so fond of Gaddafi now, I am from the same tribe as him (material tribe). I was born in Amsterdam by the way, lived there till I was 9, moved to England to go to school and now I am at uni in Paris.

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Reply #274 - December 22, 2011, 01:52 PM

Quote from: Moham Ali on December 22, 2011, 01:47 PM
I've never lived in Libya but I spent months at a time in Libya. But my mother lived in Libya under Gaddafi's rule, she met him a few times as a child her own father was a respected member of the Gaddafa tribe (same tribe as Gaddafi). So you probably knows why I was so fond of Gaddafi now, I am from the same tribe as him (material tribe). I was born in Amsterdam by the way, lived there till I was 9, moved to England to go to school and now I am at uni in Paris.

You have an international background Ali...

No.. No as a fellow human being I too fond of Gaddafi and fascinated by his government of 43 years or so. And I certainly don't like what those brutes who captured Qaddafi did to him . So did your maternal Grand father still in Libya?

So Libya was more like a Tribal Chief ruling Modern nation..

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Reply #275 - December 22, 2011, 02:00 PM

Quote from: The Demba on December 22, 2011, 01:31 PM
If that was me saying that, I'd probably get a warning to stop insulting people, wouldn't I?

You've been insulting people here on this thread and have not received a warning for it, haven't you?

You received a smite for telling a forum member to set fire to herself.

That is not acceptable here.

A request to everyone here - tone down the aggressive rhetoric and personal comments please.

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Reply #276 - December 22, 2011, 02:04 PM

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It's amazing how much unnecessary drivel you can throw at your opponent when you begin your rebuke with a strawman.

Not once has Ishina used the word "force" or "forced" or any word to that effect, but that didn't stop you, The Demba, from erecting this strawman...

I was simply asking her questions about it, because, to me, she seems to side with the majority of the view here that he was forced to convert or something. Using language as such "exploited" doesn't help her case. And no one has really explained what they mean by "exploited". Perhaps because they feel angry about him converting to Islam? Sorry, but that's not an excuse to say that he was "exploited" or imply (certainly by others) that he was forced.

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And that's just one example of many. Btw, being "forced" and "exploited" are two different things so don't try that one. The word "exploit" is apt.

Did Green suddenly jump on his father's death bed and asked him to convert? Or was her trying relentlessly in the previous years to convert him to Islam?

Use facts, not your ignorance.

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Cut out the strawman arguments, the irrelevant nonsense that stems from them, the personal attacks... then maybe responding to your posts wouldn't feel like sifting through pig shit.

Then you'll know how I feel responding to your crap and that of your friend's on here by a thousand times more.

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PS, this is all the time I have for you right now, I'll respond to your other stuff in my own time, so don't accuse me of "failing" to respond to you.

Yep, but, a whole eleven minutes later, you did bother to go back and edit your post to insert an irrelevant quesion ("What am I feeling right now"?) before your session in the library run out.
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Reply #277 - December 22, 2011, 02:05 PM

Libya was lead by tribes who had their tribe elders come together and tell each other what they wanted and needed. Gaddafi was just a figure head. My grandfather is currently in Egypt and has been in Egypt for a while, most of my mothers family are now either in Egypt, Tunisia or Algeria. My grandfather left 3 years ago after none of the hospitals in Sirte could treat his cancer so he was sent to Egypt and has lived there since. My mothers brother left just after the death of Gaddafi as his brother in law and him were quite high ranking city officials who were very, very loyal to Gaddafi. My uncles brother in law aslo has a Libyan arrest warrent out for him as he's accused of being a military commander for the pro Gaddafi forces. So he fled after the death of Gaddafi and was allowed to enter Algeria.

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Re: Hamza Tzortzis on his non-Muslim parents
Reply #278 - December 22, 2011, 02:06 PM

Quote from: Naija Infidel on December 22, 2011, 01:40 PM
Im not trying to argue here but i dont see whats obnoxious about a dawahgandist or whatever they called them showing a video of himself trying to convert his father into a muslim at his deathbed just to gain more converts to Islam.

Imagine if your son is one of them and recorded a video of him trying to convert you back to Islam by making you pronounce shahada and then posted it on youtube just to gain more followers into a religion that you hate

Is that a reply to me? Not sure I follow.
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Reply #279 - December 22, 2011, 02:09 PM

Quote from: The Demba on December 22, 2011, 02:04 PM
................... to insert an irrelevant quesion ("What am I feeling right now"?) before your session in the library run out.

well... You know. every one who joins CEMB is not a rich guy and comes from West with high speed internet in home, So some people go to library and log-in to join a forum like this The Demba ...

Sure .. I don't want to "Roll The eyes..." ..lol..

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Reply #280 - December 22, 2011, 03:19 PM

Quote from: The Demba on December 22, 2011, 11:39 AM
As I previously stated, I condemn his decision to make it public.

So what's your problem then? Why are you getting arrogantly confrontational with me, your obvious superior, if you agree with me anyway?

On what grounds do you condemn it?

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #281 - December 22, 2011, 03:31 PM

Quote from: billy on December 21, 2011, 07:53 PM
Smite 1 for The Demba.

Warning: comments telling people to harm or kill themselves are not acceptable at all on this site.

That is bollocks mate, Ishina started it. In all fairness no one deservers a smite, a warring would suffice. But am not a mod so meh.

Anyway, I think there was a valid point. From both sides. At the end of the day, you can argue on ethics until the cows come home, they are completely subjective, there really isn't a right or wrong. As I said what Abdur did by exploiting his fathers death was a douche bag thing to do, and we all agree on that.

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Reply #282 - December 22, 2011, 03:40 PM

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:31 PM
At the end of the day, you can argue on ethics until the cows come home,

I think it's a good thing to debate ethics, I've changed views based on discussions, counter-perspectives and reflection. And as a utilitarian I appreciate collective ethical enquiry.

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they are completely subjective, there really isn't a right or wrong.

IMO if people share the same base ethical value judgement (utilitarianism for instance) then discussion isn't meaningless, or without a 'framework', it can lead to better conclusions based on that value judgement.

An alternative to religion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

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Reply #283 - December 22, 2011, 03:41 PM

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:31 PM
That is bollocks mate, Ishina started it. In all fairness no one deservers a smite, a warring would suffice. But am not a mod so meh.

.. Well you need some controls on the boards like this one Tut., Other wise every one gets high with that religious cocaine "exhilaration and lasting euphoria" effect on genitalia ......

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Anyway, I think there was a valid point. From both sides. At the end of the day, you can argue on ethics until the cows come home, they are completely subjective, there really isn't a right or wrong. As I said what Abdur did by exploiting his fathers death was a douche bag thing to do, and we all agree on that.

off course we all know that ethics and morals are relative and subjective and we are talking with reference to Human morality and trying to upgrade/ educate/learn by discussing what is good and what is bad..+ what that fellow did is good or bad my lord King Tut... Poop...

You read too many of those Psycho books Tut..

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Reply #284 - December 22, 2011, 03:44 PM

"Ishina started it"

He was in full flow RAGE long before I joined in by asking him a question.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #285 - December 22, 2011, 03:47 PM

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:31 PM
In all fairness no one deservers a smite

For telling someone to kill themselves by setting themselves on fire they do.

Reminder - urging people to harm or kill themselves is not acceptable here. Ever. End of story.

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Reply #286 - December 22, 2011, 03:49 PM

Quote from: Ishina on December 22, 2011, 03:19 PM
So what's your problem then? Why are you getting arrogantly confrontational with me, your obvious superior, if you agree with me anyway?

On what grounds do you condemn it?

Fucking hell Isnina, you couldn't be any more lamer if you tried. How many times are you going to use: "obvious superior" as an insult to other members?

And to top it off the biggest supporters of Ishina's closed minded stances are sneaky fault-finders, liars and cheats.

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Reply #287 - December 22, 2011, 03:51 PM

Quote from: billy on December 22, 2011, 03:47 PM
For telling someone to kill themselves by setting themselves on fire they do.

Reminder - urging people to harm or kill themselves is not acceptable here. Ever. End of story.

well it may not be fair on the board..

but King tut kills himself every day and he springs back to life., So it is not a big deal for him.. lol..

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:49 PM
or" as an insult to other members?

And to top it off the biggest supporters of Ishina's closed minded stances are sneaky fault-finders, liars and cheats.

That is true some times Ishina closes her mind on fellows like King Tut.. but I will take care of it...

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Reply #288 - December 22, 2011, 03:53 PM

Quote from: Ishina on December 22, 2011, 03:44 PM
"Ishina started it"

He was in full flow RAGE long before I joined in by asking him a question.

Shaid did the same. I didn't jump on his back and started insulting him and calling him a prepubescent dick head.

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Reply #289 - December 22, 2011, 03:53 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on December 22, 2011, 03:51 PM
well it may not be fair on the board..

but King tut kills himself every day and he springs back to life., So it is not a big deal for him.. lol..

I lol'd.

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Reply #290 - December 22, 2011, 03:55 PM

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:53 PM
I lol'd.

get back to the subject of the folder Tut..

That is.. " what that Green white Islamic saint did or other fellow Greek Tortilla tortoise did to their parents.."

Is it a right thing to do?? if not what do you call him?? And don't send the money to Pakistan...

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Reply #291 - December 22, 2011, 04:01 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on December 22, 2011, 03:55 PM
get back to the subject of the folder Tut..

what that Green white Islamic saint did, Is it a right thing to do.. if not what do you call him??

Me personally. I an see the rationalization, if my father was dying on his death bad and I really believed he would go to hell, if he didn't believe in what I believed him, yes I would try to convert him to my belief. On the other hand, to film this, and use it as fuel to get more converts is just a completely assholish thing do to, and looks pathetic and stupid, in fact why would anyone reasonable trust a person who has to resort to doing something so pathetic?

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Reply #292 - December 22, 2011, 04:07 PM

Shaid what do you think about this?

Quote from: King Tut on December 20, 2011, 10:34 PM
No need for personal b.s. You responded out of choice, I think I made a valid point.

Something unknown is simply the unknown. We simply don't know. End of. His father is dead, and it gives peace to Abdur that his father did some incantation before his death, and Abdur can sleep peacefully at night thinking his father is in a 'better place' so it had some benefit.

Maybe have you ever entertained this crazy ass idea, that the whole reason why religion exists is because it appeals to some innate trait in some? Abdur himself is a victim to Islam. Everything is not in black and white you have to look at things from a different perspective.

That was not an appeal to emotion that as an analogy, another example can be a mother dying from cancer, and the family praying and doing some pointless incantation to resolve some psychological conflict. It gives them a peace of mind, its a well documented fact, try reading some Evolutionary Psychology Of Religion.

Well filming it was, assholish like I said. Even if his father didn't believe in Islam, maybe you should try to entertain another crazy idea I am going to throw out for you. Imagine, you're dying and are on your death bed it is the last moment and you know it, your daughter is a Muslim and she is pleading with you to re-convert to Islam, since the REALLY believes you will burn in hell forever, would you not just do a conversion (which is pointless and has no meaning to you) to give some peace of mind to your daughter? As a human being, I can tell you in such as situation I wouldn't put past doing something so pathetic just to alleviate the pain of someone.

ok.

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Reply #293 - December 22, 2011, 04:13 PM

O.K.. That is good point Tut.. let me split your post.. Damn the computer..internet.. whatever... getting slow..

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 04:01 PM
Me personally. I an see the rationalization, if my father was dying on his death bad and I really believed he would go to hell, if he didn't believe in what I believed him, yes I would try to convert him to my belief.

You rationalize his behaviour as "FAITH HEAD" a very sincere faith head... right??

Question is, Is he sincere faith head?? and can you say that from his Propaganda video of throwing that on internet?? Or is he cunning rascal trying to be holier than other converted white western Muslim so he can go and give lectures in subcontinent to harvest unsuspected fools??
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On the other hand, to film this, and use it as fuel to get more converts is just a completely assholish thing do to, and looks pathetic and stupid, in fact why would anyone reasonable trust a person who has to resort to doing something so pathetic?

There he is clearly an asshole pathetic ..stupid and what not.. I agree with you.,

but I more interested in the first thing Tut..

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Reply #294 - December 22, 2011, 04:22 PM

Yeezevee, I have actually read some (don't remember it if it was research paper or book) that converts to a faith can sometimes be even more ardent believers then those who may have been born into the faith. So, I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and say it is typical "faith-head" behaviour, rather then some genuine malicious attempt to make more money or become more popular. I pity him rather then being angry or upset with him.

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Reply #295 - December 22, 2011, 04:47 PM

Quote from: Ishina on December 22, 2011, 03:19 PM
So what's your problem then? Why are you getting arrogantly confrontational with me, your obvious superior, if you agree with me anyway?

What's my problem? Get lost. You're the one that's started getting "arrogantly confrontational" with me. Do you want me to provide you with the quotes?!

Here you go –

I posted this before we first communicated on this thread -

“The only terrible thing he did was to put a clip of it on the Internet. The main issue here should have been him getting truly lambasted for doing that,…”

“Look, at the end of the day, all I said is that I don't see the big deal about it. (The conversion, not the video uploading.)”

However, you ignored it and decided to post this nonsense- (note: It was our first communication in the thread)

“I am angry about it. What was your point?”

Now, “if you agree with me anyway”, why on earth did you…. well… started getting "arrogantly confrontational” with me? I later asked you to go and read the dialogue between me and Shahid Raza. You confirmed that you did. So, in that case, what is YOUR PROBLEM? Why didn’t you spot that I “agree" with you anyway?

Clearly, you probably only skimmed my dialogue with Shahid Raza and ignorantly decided to jump on the bandwagon and attack me knowing that your friends on here would back you up. How childish can you fucking get?

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On what grounds do you condemn it?

I think it’s disturbing and that this Green fella is sort of enjoying building his “celebrity” status among his fellow Muslims.
I could add a lot more about it of course, but I’ve already wasted enough time on the likes of you.

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"Ishina started it"

He was in full flow RAGE long before I joined in by asking him a question.

Get your facts right, you absolute utter time waster. Shahid Raza started the insults. Shahid Raza started the obnoxiousness. When are you going to get that through your thick head? Oh no, wait, it doesn’t fit your agenda that, does it?

Jesus fucking wept.
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Reply #296 - December 22, 2011, 04:57 PM

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:49 PM
Fucking hell Isnina, you couldn't be any more lamer if you tried. How many times are you going to use: "obvious superior" as an insult to other members?

Twice. Once for you and once for the Demba.

Most others here I see as equals, or better.

Quote from: King Tut on December 22, 2011, 03:53 PM
Shaid did the same. I didn't jump on his back and started insulting him and calling him a prepubescent dick head.

What the fuck do you want, a medal?

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #297 - December 22, 2011, 05:07 PM

^Its King Tut, remember?

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Reply #298 - December 22, 2011, 05:17 PM

Quote from: Ishina on December 22, 2011, 04:57 PM
Twice. Once for you and once for the Demba.

Most others here I see as equals, or better.
What the fuck do you want, a medal?

Very original. Well done.
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Reply #299 - December 22, 2011, 05:28 PM

Quote from: Naija Infidel on December 22, 2011, 05:07 PM
^Its King Tut, remember?

I think I preferred him as the self-loathing racist emo loser. At least I could mock his misfortune. This new nerdy hall monitor Tut is getting intolerable.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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