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 Topic: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.

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  • Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     OP - April 03, 2011, 10:59 PM



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    To better understand bonobo intelligence, I traveled to Des Moines, Iowa, to meet Kanzi, a 26-year-old male bonobo reputedly able to converse with humans. When Kanzi was an infant, American psychologist Sue Savage-Rumbaugh tried to teach his mother, Matata, to communicate using a keyboard labeled with geometric symbols. Matata never really got the hang of it, but Kanzi—who usually played in the background, seemingly oblivious, during his mother’s teaching sessions—picked up the language.

    Savage-Rumbaugh and her colleagues kept adding symbols to Kanzi’s keyboard and laminated sheets of paper. First Kanzi used 6 symbols, then 18, finally 348. The symbols refer to familiar objects (yogurt, key, tummy, bowl), favored activities (chase, tickle), and even some concepts considered fairly abstract (now, bad).

    Kanzi learned to combine these symbols in regular ways, or in what linguists call"proto-grammar."Once, Savage-Rumbaugh says, on an outing in a forest by the Georgia State University laboratory where he was raised, Kanzi touched the symbols for"marshmallow"and"fire."Given matches and marshmallows, Kanzi snapped twigs for a fire, lit them with the matches and toasted the marshmallows on a stick.

    Savage-Rumbaugh claims that in addition to the symbols Kanzi uses, he knows the meaning of up to 3,000 spoken English words. She tests his comprehension in part by having someone in another room pronounce words that Kanzi hears through a set of headphones. Kanzi then points to the appropriate symbol on his keyboard. But Savage-Rumbaugh says Kanzi also understands words that aren’t a part of his keyboard vocabulary; she says he can respond appropriately to commands such as"put the soap in the water"or"carry the TV outdoors."

    About a year ago, Kanzi and his sister, mother, nephew and four other bonobos moved into a $10 million, 18-room house and laboratory complex at the Great Ape Trust, North America’s largest great ape sanctuary, five miles from downtown Des Moines. The bonobo compound boasts a 13,000-square-foot lab, drinking fountains, outdoor playgrounds, rooms linked by hydraulic doors that the animals operate themselves by pushing buttons, and a kitchen where they can use a microwave oven and get snacks from a vending machine (pressing the symbols for desired foods).

    Kanzi and the other bonobos spend evenings sprawled on the floor, snacking on M & M’s, blueberries, onions and celery, as they watch DVDs they select by pressing buttons on a computer screen. Their favorites star apes and other creatures friendly with humans such as Quest for Fire, Every Which Way But Loose, Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan and Babe.

    Through a glass panel, Savage-Rumbaugh asks Kanzi if it’s OK for me to enter his enclosure."The bonobos control who comes into their quarters,"she explains. Kanzi, still the alpha male of this group in his middle age, has the mien of an aging patriarch—he’s balding and paunchy with serious, deep-set eyes. Squealing apparent agreement, he pushes a button, and I walk inside. A wire barrier still separates us."Kanzi can cause you serious damage if he wants,"Savage-Rumbaugh adds.

    Kanzi shows me his electronic lexigram touch pad, which is connected to a computer that displays—while a male voice speaks—the words he selects. But Kanzi’s finger slips off the keys."We're trying to solve this problem,"says Savage-Rumbaugh.

    She and her colleagues have been testing the bonobos’ ability to express their thoughts vocally, rather than by pushing buttons. In one experiment she described to me, she placed Kanzi and Panbanisha, his sister, in separate rooms where they could hear but not see each other. Through lexigrams, Savage-Rumbaugh explained to Kanzi that he would be given yogurt. He was then asked to communicate this information to Panbanisha."Kanzi vocalized, then Panbanisha vocalized in return and selected ‘yogurt’ on the keyboard in front of her,"Savage-Rumbaugh tells me.

    With these and other ape-language experiments, says Savage-Rumbaugh,"the mythology of human uniqueness is coming under challenge. If apes can learn language, which we once thought unique to humans, then it suggests that ability is not innate in just us."

    But many linguists argue that these bonobos are simply very skilled at getting what they want, and that their abilities do not constitute language."I do not believe that there has ever been an example anywhere of a nonhuman expressing an opinion, or asking a question. Not ever,"says Geoffrey Pullum, a linguist at the University of California at Santa Cruz."It would be wonderful if animals could say things about the world, as opposed to just signaling a direct emotional state or need. But they just don’t.”


    More here :http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/speakingbonobo.html


    Given that children take upto 2-3 years  a pop to be able to acquire what can resemble a vocabulary while the whole time being exposed to language within the home ( my nephew is a bit over 4 and i still don't understand him apart from the words i'm used to hearing, Same goes for my family and my nephews attempt at short sentences)

    Also given the progress within our evolutionary DNA having been exposed to Human language and it's usage for well over 200 decades, this must give humans a head start when comparing it to the Bonobo's performance above, Who is to say they don't have an articulate way of communicating with each other just as we view our language to be , of which having an foreign subject listen to it would sound like rambling on in different tones and forms.( That's how i feel when i am stuck in the kitchen at work having to listen to my some of my colleagues speak Indian , although i don't compare it to how a non-speaking Bonobo would receive it)



    here's an example of another friendly animal influenced into mimicking human behavior by mere exposure & proper training, although constantly. As a child would be trained in his home.



    this penguin wakes up in Japan everyday and goes shopping for fish.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xs9mFKObs


    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #1 - April 03, 2011, 11:00 PM

    ^ Adjusted title.


    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #2 - April 03, 2011, 11:20 PM

    Wow! That's amazing!  grin12

    And as for the vid, one word: CUUUUUTTTEEEE!!!!!!!!! <3
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #3 - April 04, 2011, 06:17 PM

    I think one of the most interesting things about these experiments is seeing whether they pass the language on to their offspring. I know some other chimps have. It's a quite a thought to think we have given language to another species...
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #4 - April 04, 2011, 06:37 PM

    mufa9a-- you're not supposed to post pics of other forum members here without their permission. BlackDog may forgive you for compromising his privacy but I won't. Your post has been reported to the moderators.

    fuck you
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #5 - April 04, 2011, 06:51 PM

    Cheesy

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #6 - April 04, 2011, 08:09 PM

    It's a 2006 article . A thread i read here reminded me of this. not that i was close to knowing about this in  2006.


    mufa9a-- you're not supposed to post pics of other forum members here without their permission. BlackDog may forgive you for compromising his privacy but I won't. Your post has been reported to the moderators.



    Qman,  don't bash BD.







    ...i mean, look at that ass  001_wub

    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #7 - April 04, 2011, 08:19 PM

    I think one of the most interesting things about these experiments is seeing whether they pass the language on to their offspring. I know some other chimps have. It's a quite a thought to think we have given language to another species...

     Smiley

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #8 - April 04, 2011, 08:30 PM

    mufa9a-- you're not supposed to post pics of other forum members here without their permission. BlackDog may forgive you for compromising his privacy but I won't. Your post has been reported to the moderators.


    After a detailed mod investigation, it seems that's not BlackDog, just a close relative of his.  So we'll let mufa9a off with it this time.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #9 - April 04, 2011, 08:46 PM

    I think one of the most interesting things about these experiments is seeing whether they pass the language on to their offspring. I know some other chimps have. It's a quite a thought to think we have given language to another species...


    Multispecianism >>was expecting my laptop to underline it as misspelled. Indeed, it's interesting. It takes  the likes of that penguin's parents to pull it off.

    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #10 - April 04, 2011, 08:49 PM

    After a detailed mod investigation, it seems that's not BlackDog, just a close relative of his.  So we'll let mufa9a off with it this time.



    I'm traumatized.

    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #11 - April 04, 2011, 09:08 PM

    It's a 2006 article . A thread i read here reminded me of this. not that i was close to knowing about this in  2006.



    Qman,  don't bash BD.





    (Clicky for piccy!)

    ...i mean, look at that ass  001_wub


    is it strange that i find this transfixing?

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #12 - April 04, 2011, 09:18 PM

    I think one of the most interesting things about these experiments is seeing whether they pass the language on to their offspring. I know some other chimps have. It's a quite a thought to think we have given language to another species...


    It certainly is.  I can only think of the aliens who left us here, and how they must think the same thoughts about us.   Smiley

    Seriously though, cool article and very interesting. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #13 - April 04, 2011, 09:19 PM

    ^ BERBS TELL ME YOU'RE being cute about the alien thing:P

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #14 - April 04, 2011, 09:20 PM

    ^ BERBS TELL ME YOU'RE being cute about the alien thing:P


    Is a believer cute about god? wut?   lipsrsealed

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #15 - April 04, 2011, 09:21 PM

    People stop staring at my ass. I would have posted it in the Ass thread but I didn't want to make conwaytwitty feel bad with my clearly superior booty.
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #16 - April 04, 2011, 09:22 PM

    is it strange that i find this transfixing?


    No. It's quite a suggestive and an inviting image.

    I think a poke is the limit to curious behavior in this case.

    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #17 - April 04, 2011, 09:26 PM

    ^  Cheesy


    You're jealous cause yours is shaped like a turnip. While mine is like *looks at pic again* like something I can't define right now but definitely not a turnip.
  • Re: Liguistically develepoed Bonobo.
     Reply #18 - April 04, 2011, 10:15 PM

    No. It's quite a suggestive and an inviting image.

    I think a poke is the limit to curious behavior in this case.


    idk i wonder about its texture. It looks firm/tough.

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
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