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 Topic: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?

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  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #30 - April 04, 2011, 02:47 AM

    I read Freud's Interpretation of Dreams and converted. Thus any other believers in Freud I must like.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #31 - April 04, 2011, 03:03 AM

    so is my habit all that bad?  do I need to keep beating myself up via my super ego?


    I'd worry if you were a drug abusing nympho ;P but I'm not really good with psychology at all. Last time I read anything about psychology was Lacan's brief explanation on anger when I looked up revenge fantasy psychology so I'm not really sure how to answer your question..


    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #32 - April 04, 2011, 03:04 AM

    I am free, no one around me can judge me.  I am a grown ass woman, with 3 children a divorce under her belt, and yet why is it that I can't wholly, or haven't yet fully, shaken this shit off of me.

    I should be out there having fun, instead of warring with latent ideas that its wrong. Its not wrong, I know it isn't, but still I deal with some serious shame issues.

    You sound like an artist.

    My secret is: Martial Arts, Zen, Buddhism, Carl Sagan, and Drum'n'Bass. I also use exercise, body and mind conditioning, art and writing to not so much exorcise my demons but rather to harness them.

    I am not always successful, but it gives me something to do.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #33 - April 04, 2011, 03:05 AM

    And I also want your introduction, z10.


    I don't think I ever made one. What would you like to know?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #34 - April 04, 2011, 03:09 AM

    It's not really a question that needs an answer that has to be explored outside of yourself.

    The question is do you ever have any experiences with guilt/shame/fear etc from some internal conflict in which you feel perhaps that your religious upbringing has played a part?

    This question isn't about me, I merely used my issues, to expand on some points, but not to be psychoanalysed myself.  I want to hear about how others experience it, that is usually great at helping me analyse myself.

    So, anybody, nobody?


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #35 - April 04, 2011, 03:15 AM

    Afraid not.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #36 - April 04, 2011, 03:19 AM

    It's not really a question that needs an answer that has to be explored outside of yourself.

    The question is do you ever have any experiences with guilt/shame/fear etc from some internal conflict in which you feel perhaps that your religious upbringing has played a part?

    This question isn't about me, I merely used my issues, to expand on some points, but not to be psychoanalysed myself.  I want to hear about how others experience it, that is usually great at helping me analyse myself.

    So, anybody, nobody?


    Nope. The fact I hate myself has nothing to do with religion.  Afro

    fuck you
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #37 - April 04, 2011, 03:22 AM

    You sound like an artist.

    My secret is: Martial Arts, Zen, Buddhism, Carl Sagan, and Drum'n'Bass. I also use exercise, body and mind conditioning, art and writing to not so much exorcise my demons but rather to harness them.

    I am not always successful, but it gives me something to do.


    Yeah, I been blogging for the writing side, it is cathartic if not completely freeing yet.

    Afraid not.


    Lucky lol.  Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #38 - April 04, 2011, 03:25 AM

    Nope. The fact I hate myself has nothing to do with religion.  Afro


    Grin

    Well, according to z10, the question shouldn't have been phrased with moral religious shackles playing the part of the super ego, but rather our own absolutes.

    I agree, so my question to you tough guy, is do you have any absolutes that are fucking you over too? Tongue

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #39 - April 04, 2011, 03:29 AM

    I don't think I ever made one. What would you like to know?


    What's wrong with a standard intro thread with whens, hows, whys and wheres?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #40 - April 04, 2011, 03:33 AM

    Oh, there's nothing wrong with it, but I never really got round to making one and eventually there was no need for one.
    Would you like me to make one?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #41 - April 04, 2011, 03:34 AM

    Grin

    Well, according to z10, the question shouldn't have been phrased with moral religious shackles playing the part of the super ego, but rather our own absolutes.

    I agree, so my question to you tough guy, is do you have any absolutes that are fucking you over too? Tongue


    Don't know. Haven't really considered the question until now.

    fuck you
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #42 - April 04, 2011, 03:39 AM

    Don't know. Haven't really considered the question until now.


    Enjoy considering.  That's all I've been doing recently.  It's good stuff.    Tongue


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #43 - April 04, 2011, 03:47 AM

    Oh, there's nothing wrong with it, but I never really got round to making one and eventually there was no need for one.
    Would you like me to make one?

    PLEASE!

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #44 - April 04, 2011, 04:01 AM

    Hey, ishina, if you skim this thread again, this is a question for you.  I didn;t want to take it into another thread, the 'songs that make you cry thread' and your post dedicated to your mother.

    I only just remembered reading another post in which you praised your mother too, and talked of having a lot of respect and love for her, and a very close bond.

    When I read your post on this thread, I thought you meant that you had no family, like I do.  No bonds of love and respect with any parent.

    I think I understand a little better why we sit on polar opposites of this, as you say you experience none of this super ego bashing, whereas I say it's daily bashment.

    I really believe that having some kind of parental love is really important to raise individuals capable of loving themselves well too.  If you have no one unconditionally loving you (within reason), how do you understand what there is to like about yourself?  In childhood and then onwards I mean since children find it harder to rationalise these things away.

    It would be interesting to see data relating to ex muslims on this forum, depression rates, childhood, parenting or lack of and more, just to see if there is a correlation.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #45 - April 04, 2011, 04:07 AM

    Such studies are haram as they would give an opportunity for Muslims to label us as needing affection, prozac or whatever and totally negate everything we've been fighting for. Maybe.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #46 - April 04, 2011, 04:10 AM

    Who gives a shit if they try to negate it with such stupidity?

    Nothing can change the validity of these arguments, and TBH on those who would listen to such stupidity, arguments fall on deaf ears for they are the most retarded of the bunch.  To have them not listening is no big loss.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #47 - April 04, 2011, 04:14 AM

    Point

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #48 - April 04, 2011, 04:43 AM

    I think I was even blogging about my super ego, before I knew who she was:

    Quote
    So how do you find yourself on an empty plate you might wonder?,  To which I reply; easy.  If you starve yourself, if that plate is ever empty, and all that is left of you is bones, it's not hard to find a small part of you cowering inside wondering what the hell she has done to herself in the name of self hate.

    Because that's where I was, hidden deep within myself, trying to protect myself with the euphoric high of grumbling stomach walls that were screaming out for a little nourishment.  To that part of me, those grumbles were the roar of the crowd as it celebrated her victorious defeat over hunger.  The more I starved the more the crowd cheered her on as she hid inside of me. The slimmer I became the more intimate her crowd as the walls of my stomach closed in.  It was like music to her ears, Adagio on full blast.  Glorious.

    When the crowds went silent, she knew she had lost, that somewhere out there I had cracked and allowed myself to eat.  That part of me made me feel guilt and increased my self loathing for taking away her adoring fans and their grumbling approval.


    and

    Edit: yeah, just read the other part in which my super ego appears in my blog, and it's too private, but anyway that is an example of her in action.

    A tutor of mine also said that shame/guilt and super ego can appear when you journal or blog and go from first person to third person to disassociate with the memory.  I thought it was kinda interesting.   yes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #49 - April 04, 2011, 04:46 AM

    I don't see the link to private blog?

    The one private blog I have is such because I spend all the time on this forum when I could work on grammar in the blog and make it public :(

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #50 - April 04, 2011, 04:50 AM

    No link, it's private, just a portion in which there is a representation of my bitch super ego.

    It's not to correct grammar either, it's because my blog is private to me, and only this portion is relevent to this moment.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #51 - April 04, 2011, 04:58 AM

    You're getting cranky, go to sleep
     far away hug

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #52 - April 04, 2011, 05:00 AM

     wacko  What was cranky about saying it's private?

    You're getting confused, maybe you need to get to sleep?   Wink

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #53 - April 04, 2011, 05:10 AM

    I do have to go to sleep, otherwise I will be cranky like you  Wink

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #54 - April 04, 2011, 05:43 AM

    Hey, ishina, if you skim this thread again, this is a question for you.  I didn;t want to take it into another thread, the 'songs that make you cry thread' and your post dedicated to your mother.

    I only just remembered reading another post in which you praised your mother too, and talked of having a lot of respect and love for her, and a very close bond.

    When I read your post on this thread, I thought you meant that you had no family, like I do. No bonds of love and respect with any parent.

    Well, if you don’t want me to amateur-psychoanalyse you, I’ll give a little insight into myself. Or a bit of oversharing, or whatever.

    I’ve always had my mother. My parents were just kids when they had me. My father was driven away by a hardcore Pakistani matriarch, my ‘grandmother’, who later drove away her own daughter. She set her stall out early in what can only be described as her trying to steal the love her daughters first born child, to assert control on her own wayward daughter. She would play me against my mum. For example, if I came in crying for, dunno, like I fell over playing outside and grazed my knee or some shit, like kids do, I’d run to my mum. My grandmother would muscle in and push my mother out of the picture. Little things like that, all the time. And she’d do it so obviously too, to make my mum feel like a bad mother. She’d always tell her she was a bad mother. My mum is just kid, and she’s watching her own child get stolen from her.

    This had the opposite effect on me than perhaps my grandmother expected. It brought my mother and me closer. I wasn’t stupid. Kids pick up on things. From an early age I had clocked on to her little games. It didn’t feel right. I wanted my mum, not her. This became clearer as I got older. When I found my own voice, I’d start telling my grandmother what I thought of these little games, and I’d share my thoughts with my mum as I began to understand them. Obviously, this just pissed dear old grandma off, and she revealed her true colours. That’s all I’ll share for now. The rest is history.

    I think I understand a little better why we sit on polar opposites of this, as you say you experience none of this super ego bashing, whereas I say it's daily bashment.

    I really believe that having some kind of parental love is really important to raise individuals capable of loving themselves well too.  If you have no one unconditionally loving you (within reason), how do you understand what there is to like about yourself?  In childhood and then onwards I mean since children find it harder to rationalise these things away.

    I think what I meant by no regrets is: No regrets that I will let affect me. I have regrets, I think. What I assume people describe as regrets anyway. I have said and done things that are certainly regrettable. But I don’t flirt with that part of the past often. It is a sometimes a conscious effort to avoid thinking about it, and some could fairly describe it as deluding myself. My mum and I have an extraordinary bond, for the reasons I have given and many other reasons. And I’ve done some things that broke her heart no doubt. Those things would be counted amongst the things I regret, for example.

    Me simply saying “No regrets” could fairly be considered an act of self-deception, and it would also be valid to say it was dishonesty to those who might happen to read it. But that’s how I actually feel. Why should I regret things? I have a great life. I am an honourable person. It would shame me to have shame. I have no right to be ashamed, when I have my health, my life, and I am loved. There are people who do not have these things. I might be a poor art student, but I am rich beyond measure. Who am I to complain? Especially now, in this moment, when on the other side of the planet so much horror has entered the lives of so many people. In the blink of an eye, so many lives destroyed. Yet, here I stand, privileged, with luxuries and essentials. And there are times when the question in my head is: "Why did it have to be this way?" And what follows is the question: "Would I have what I have now if not for all of that?" And the answer is always: No. I wouldn't have what I have now if not for all the things I've been through. I wouldn't be the person I am now. I wouldn't have the relationship I have with the world and the people in it if not for all of that. I wouldn't have the appetite for life I have now if not for all of that. I am the sum of my parts, tried and tested, built to last. All the horrors of the past are as important to me as my dreams of the future. They have equipped me to deal with what may come. They are not a heavy burden. They are essential life experience.

    I have been depressed in the past. I have seen rock bottom. I have broken through rock bottom into a whole new underworld of fucked. I could drive myself insane dwelling on the bad shit. So I simply don’t dwell on it. But its powerful stuff, and it doesn’t just go away if you ignore it. It’s easy to say “Be positive” or “Forget about it” or my favourite “It’ll will be ok” It’s the easiest thing in the world to say these things. We hear them all the time. And it’s nothing less than sincere expression of love and wanting to help. But, apart from the comfort of the moment, these words do not help in any practical way. They don’t show us how to forget, or how to be positive. See, this is gonna be trite and stupid and preachy, but that’s why I like reading shit like Zen and Buddhist philosophy. Those guys had these very problems down to a fine art. The actual processes of self-diagnosis are the stuff you need, not sympathy or pretty words. How to purify your mind, how to refine and improve your mental attitude and actions, encourage positive self-development, inspire and hold onto a positive mental attitude. How to cleanse yourself of self-affliction. Because that’s what it is: self-affliction.

    Look in the mirror. There is your enemy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #55 - April 04, 2011, 05:58 AM

    Thank you for sharing that with me Ishina, I appreciate the insight, also it was an amazing post.  I think your take on life is pretty balanced:

    Quote
    Why should I regret things? I have a great life. I am an honourable person. It would shame me to have shame. I have no right to be ashamed, when I have my health, my life, and I am loved. There are people who do not have these things. I might be a poor art student, but I am rich beyond measure. Who am I to complain? Especially now, in this moment, when on the other side of the planet so much horror has entered the lives of so many people. In the blink of an eye, so many lives destroyed. Yet, here I stand, privileged, with luxuries and essentials. And there are times when the question in my head is: "Why did it have to be this way?" And what follows is the question: "Would I have what I have now if not for all of that?" And the answer is always: No. I wouldn't have what I have now if not for all the things I've been through. I wouldn't be the person I am now. I wouldn't have the relationship I have with the world and the people in it if not for all of that. I wouldn't have the appetite for life I have now if not for all of that. I am the sum of my parts, tried and tested, built to last. All the horrors of the past are as important to me as my dreams of the future. They have equipped me to deal with what may come. They are not a heavy burden. They are essential life experience.


    The bolded pones especially struck a chord with me, but the enlarged?  I love that.  It's an inspiring way to look at the broken bits that make up a person.

    I want to take that sort of thinking and learn to incorporate it into mine.  

    Quote

    I have been depressed in the past. I have seen rock bottom. I have broken through rock bottom into a whole new underworld of fucked. I could drive myself insane dwelling on the bad shit. So I simply don’t dwell on it. But its powerful stuff, and it doesn’t just go away if you ignore it. It’s easy to say “Be positive” or “Forget about it” or my favourite “It’ll will be ok” It’s the easiest thing in the world to say these things. We hear them all the time. And it’s nothing less than sincere expression of love and wanting to help. But, apart from the comfort of the moment, these words do not help in any practical way. They don’t show us how to forget, or how to be positive. See, this is gonna be trite and stupid and preachy, but that’s why I like reading shit like Zen and Buddhist philosophy. Those guys had these very problems down to a fine art. The actual processes of self-diagnosis are the stuff you need, not sympathy or pretty words. How to purify your mind, how to refine and improve your mental attitude and actions, encourage positive self-development, inspire and hold onto a positive mental attitude. How to cleanse yourself of self-affliction. Because that’s what it is: self-affliction.


    I agree, and I think I'm honestly ready to attempt embracing more than just pretty words.  I want change.  I once never saw my own enemy staring back at me in the mirror.  I liked myself inside.  I want to be that person, not who I was then because I have grown and changed in many ways since then, many of them good if I look at them now.  I just want to experience that feeling again.

    So to that end, and because based on this post especially, I respect your advice, are there any books, links etc, to exploring Zen and Buddhist philosophy that really inspired you once?

    Quote
    Look in the mirror. There is your enemy.


    Yep.




    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #56 - April 04, 2011, 06:12 AM

    I can dig out a few books and stuff later, if you like. Off hand, I'd recommend one book because it was the first one I ever picked up, the one that left the biggest impression and made me hungry for more, and that’s The Unfettered Mind, by Takuan Soho. I keep meaning to post a little bit more in the Buddhism thread too, but never got around to it.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #57 - April 04, 2011, 07:15 AM

    Thanks, I would appreciate it.  Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #58 - April 04, 2011, 07:27 AM

    I can dig out a few books and stuff later, if you like. Off hand, I'd recommend one book because it was the first one I ever picked up, the one that left the biggest impression and made me hungry for more, and that’s The Unfettered Mind, by Takuan Soho. I keep meaning to post a little bit more in the Buddhism thread too, but never got around to it.

    Boy.. you have strange interests and stump me quite often with what you read..

    http://www.daikonforge.com/downloads/TheUnfetteredMind.pdf

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #59 - April 04, 2011, 07:31 AM

    Boy.. you have strange interests and stump me quite often with what you read..

    http://www.daikonforge.com/downloads/TheUnfetteredMind.pdf


    Score yeezevee.  Thanks for the link.   Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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