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OP - April 04, 2011, 06:05 AM

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With each escalation, the world becomes more dangerous. It is especially made worse when we retaliate against Muslims and Arabs who had nothing to do with 9/11

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The cost of that distrust became clear in the aftermath of the attacks, as the government, evidently with no idea where the terrorist threats might lie, rounded up several thousand Arab and Muslim foreign nationals who had nothing to do with terrorism--further alienating the communities it most needs to cultivate.

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The US had exploited the deaths of more than 4,500 people in New York and Washington to justify violent assaults against Afghan women, men and children who had nothing to do with terrorism,

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Reply #1 - April 04, 2011, 06:13 AM

Ron Paul the author of the first article is a great politician that I whole heartedly support socially but economically hes to far right to support especially since Im very left wing.

But whats your point for posting the articles? any thing you want to share or say about them?
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Reply #2 - April 04, 2011, 01:57 PM

Just to highlight that attacking people who have had "nothing to do" with some terrible outrage - be it blowing up a trainful of commuters, using a bible for toilet paper or burning a Qur'an - is something which even Muslims are inclined to do very occasionally even though some of our "liberal" commentators seem to consider it a one way street.

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Reply #3 - April 04, 2011, 02:03 PM

So you just pointed out that Muslims are basically also people, thus capable of stupid shit just like any other people?

I hope you know how annoying you can be, DH.

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Reply #4 - April 04, 2011, 02:11 PM

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So you just pointed out that Muslims are basically also people, thus capable of stupid shit just like any other people?

All the evidence suggests that Muslims possess a vastly above average capacity for "stupid shit" eg demanding respect with menaces for their religion when they and their beloved religion have no respect for anyone or anything on this planet that is not Muslim.

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Reply #5 - April 04, 2011, 02:14 PM

Cool - that's a lot more clear and that's what you should've said to begin with - Muslims are not people. At least not as smart as other people.

So are you gonna run away from this thread too eventually?

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Reply #6 - April 04, 2011, 02:27 PM

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Cool - that's a lot more clear and that's what you should've said to begin with - Muslims are not people. At least not as smart as other people.

So are you gonna run away from this thread too eventually?

When did you join the baying gang of wilful misinterpretors at this forum ALM? I neither stated nor implied any such thing. My meaning was that Muslims, as a result of their religious indoctrination, clearly display a greater propensity for engaging in "stupid shit" than the average member of the public.

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Reply #7 - April 04, 2011, 02:34 PM

I like that you're asking me questions, while pretending that I haven't asked you anything first

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Reply #8 - April 04, 2011, 02:44 PM

A word about your post at the now-defunct thread ALM:

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You wear hijab -> you support Islam. Usama supports Islam. Two people support Islam -> they support each other and everything that that believe is Islam. If two opinions arise the correct one is the most evil one and it prevails. Two completely opposite people support something different (e.g. sufism and wahhabism) with one general name (Islam) -> we pretend that the name describes the same thing. Why else would you call it Islam if it is not what Usama believes it is? Someone points out that it is not one thing -> argue that they will inevitably wake up one Friday morning and solve the problem by uniting with people whose views they hate by accepting those very views, as mandated by sirah and tafsir of DH.

Let's try this:

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You wear KKK robes -> you support the KKK. David Dukes supports the KKK. Two people support the KKK-> they support each other and everything that that believe is KKK.

Do you deride the logic of THAT statement? Do you have a problem with likening the core ideology of Islam to that of the Ku Klux Klan (which incidentally named its "holy book" The Kloran)

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If two opinions arise the correct one is the most evil one and it prevails.

Let's take flogging adulterers. Some sufis (though by no means all or even most) may of course be revolted by this and try and "interpret" it metaphorically. What are the chances that a woman who interpets the sharia dress code literally is going to reject the word of Allah on flogging and "interpret" it as meaning "adulterers mustn't be flogged under any circumstances"? What are the chances she believes the verse on flogging is no longer applicable in an ideal world?

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Two completely opposite people support something different (e.g. sufism and wahhabism) with one general name (Islam) -> we pretend that the name describes the same thing.

Until conclusively proven otherwise it is surely perfectly reasonable to suppose that someone who calls themselves a "Muslim" believes in the Koran and endorses its contents and the goals and methods it espouses lock, stock and barrel - especially if they dress their baby daughters like this:

You gotta wonder at the mentality don't you?

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Why else would you call it Islam if it is not what Usama believes it is?

Because what Osama believes is fully supported by the basic Islamic texts in the same way that the pacificism of the Amish is fully supported by the New Testament.

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Reply #9 - April 04, 2011, 03:05 PM

Quote from: superomario on April 04, 2011, 06:13 AM
But whats your point for posting the articles?

Being a dick.

Quote from: DH on April 04, 2011, 01:57 PM
even though some of our "liberal" commentators seem to consider it a one way street.

Really? Funny, I missed the part in those articles where they completely absolved Muslims of any guilt in collectively punishing other people. Or maybe they didn't mention it because they were specifically addressing US foreign policy, something we Americans should be concerned about and have a very limited amount of control over, rather than mobs of Muslim thugs in Afghanistan or Palestine, which there isn't much we can do about besides kill and create more of through our policies. The first article was not even written by a "liberal", you ignorant douche, but rather a libertarian-leaning paleoconservative. Ron Paul isn't any kind of liberal Islamic apologist-- he just a non-interventionist who wants our military to stay within our own borders.

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Reply #10 - April 04, 2011, 03:15 PM

@ DH

my question from another thread:
given that the Hebrew Bible is a very dangerous book with extremely racist, superamist and murderous instructions for those who take it seriously, what would be the reason the religious Jews are not behaving anywhere near as disgustingly as their co-religioinsts, the Muslims?

Do you believe the Hebrew Bible to be an evil book, by the way? yes/no? (funny how i forgot to ask you that.)

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Reply #11 - April 04, 2011, 03:20 PM

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/index.htm

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Reply #12 - April 04, 2011, 03:21 PM

as usual, yezvee, sapmming the boards with your "knowledge".

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Reply #13 - April 04, 2011, 03:23 PM

Debunker. Unfortunately the thread in question has been locked by the CEMB guardians of free speech. I have already responded to your question OVER HERE

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Reply #14 - April 04, 2011, 03:34 PM

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Really? Funny, I missed the part in those articles where they completely absolved Muslims of any guilt in collectively punishing other people. Or maybe they didn't mention it because they were specifically addressing US foreign policy, something we Americans should be concerned about and have a very limited amount of control over, rather than mobs of Muslim thugs in Afghanistan or Palestine, which there isn't much we can do about besides kill and create more of through our policies.

Do you think "our policies" are the primary generator of "Muslim thugs" in Afghanistan, Palestine or elsewhere?

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The first article was not even written by a "liberal", you ignorant douche, but rather a libertarian-leaning paleoconservative. Ron Paul isn't any kind of liberal Islamic apologist-- he just a non-interventionist who wants our military to stay within our own borders.

True, I could have provided a better example of a "liberal commentator".

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Reply #15 - April 04, 2011, 03:39 PM

Sorry to say this guys but those twin towers fell because of America's own damme fault. They nurtured, protected and trained bin laden to committ such crimes against Mankind.

You see, there was a saying in Afghanistan, that the Russians would only deal or speak to the Government of the country while on the other hand the Americans would deal and speak to anybody regardless of their aims and objectives to acheive their goals.

America assisted the Islamisation of the Region to prevent Socialism from spreading.

If Socialism had stayed in the Muslim world then maybe these following generations of Muslims wouldnt have turned into Islamist Lunatic fanatics born to slaughter those who oppose their barbaric relgion Islam.

I am quite an Agnostic Extremist. I would have loved sending those Curry belly Mullahs to the gulags and made better use of their hateful nonsense into some good ol hard labour for the benefit of Country and mankind.
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Reply #16 - April 04, 2011, 03:44 PM

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Sorry to say this guys but those twin towers fell because of America's own damme fault. They nurtured, protected and trained bin laden to committ such crimes against Mankind.

It was blowback. No doubt about that.

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America assisted the Islamisation of the Region to prevent Socialism from spreading.

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If Socialism had stayed in the Muslim world then maybe these following generations of Muslims wouldnt have turned into Islamist Lunatic fanatics born to slaughter those who oppose their barbaric relgion Islam.

True. The western orchestrated break-up of Yugoslavia was appalling, as was the demonization and bombing of "The Serbs" cheered on by our hare-brained western "liberal" media.

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Reply #17 - April 04, 2011, 03:44 PM

According to a Afghan female(loyalai) politician who recently visited Canada, stated that American and Nato forces are not doing what they claim to be doing, they are actually meeting secretly and doing deals with the Taliban. Not long ago, the French or Italians were paying Taliban not attack their convoys. America is playing a double game in the region, they know ISI and Pakistan are protecting the Afghan Taliban but they stand idle and still arm double dealers.

Recently a group of American soldiers were killing innocent civilians in Afghanistan I think over 63 children,women and men were killed as some kind of sport.

To hell with American double standards. They are hated by the whole world. It would have been an honour fighting America side by side with the Russians.

They go around talking about civilian rights, while on the other hand they are arming and training Alqaea Libyan Terrorists.

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Reply #18 - April 04, 2011, 03:56 PM

Quote from: DH on April 04, 2011, 03:34 PM
Do you think "our policies" are the primary generator of "Muslim thugs" in Afghanistan, Palestine or elsewhere?

No, Islam and a lack of secular values are, but our policies are definitely making things worse, giving people in the Muslim world an outside scapegoat so they don't have to take a long, hard look at their own failures, and fucking up chances for organic development in that part of the world.

Now please fuck off. Thanks.

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To hell with American double standards. They are hated by the whole world. It would have been an honour fighting America side by side with the Russians.

They go around talking about civilian rights, while on the other hand they are arming and training Alqaea Libyan Terrorists.

Damme America

Gotta love when anti-imperialism devolves into knee-jerk, mindless anti-Americanism.

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Quote from: debunker on April 04, 2011, 03:21 PM
as usual, yezvee, sapmming the boards with your "knowledge".

bunker .... I am just giving you the links TO READ the subject that you are discussing.,

And I can assure you on that " Comparative religion and in Basic Sciences I read 100 times more books/articles than you ever read or ever could read. So better start reading if you want win elections "THERE".. You have plenty of time..

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Reply #20 - April 05, 2011, 04:39 AM

Quote from: DH on April 04, 2011, 02:44 PM
A word about your post at the now-defunct thread ALM:

Let's try this:

Do you deride the logic of THAT statement? Do you have a problem with likening the core ideology of Islam to that of the Ku Klux Klan (which incidentally named its "holy book" The Kloran)

To continue:

Let's take flogging adulterers. Some sufis (though by no means all or even most) may of course be revolted by this and try and "interpret" it metaphorically. What are the chances that a woman who interpets the sharia dress code literally is going to reject the word of Allah on flogging and "interpret" it as meaning "adulterers mustn't be flogged under any circumstances"? What are the chances she believes the verse on flogging is no longer applicable in an ideal world?

Until conclusively proven otherwise it is surely perfectly reasonable to suppose that someone who calls themselves a "Muslim" believes in the Koran and endorses its contents and the goals and methods it espouses lock, stock and barrel - especially if they dress their baby daughters like this:

(Clicky for piccy!)

You gotta wonder at the mentality don't you?

Because what Osama believes is fully supported by the basic Islamic texts in the same way that the pacificism of the Amish is fully supported by the New Testament.

DH,

How cute of you to respond here to a different post than the one I linked to

I saw you replied to the linked one as well, for which you get a

As well as rebuttal

Now I have to apologize to you for misrepresenting your views and want to assure you that my anti-islamic cyber jihad is as strong and violent as ever. And you did not say that all Muslims are stupid.

Back to your reply. Kloran? Really? LOL - I did not know that those bastards had a sense of humor. You remind me of another famous contrarian on the forum, DH. (Can you guess what it is, my darling?) I am not interested in KKK and would have to look up that David guy you mentioned. However I will not discuss KKK for another reason. While I'm sure there are valuable insights in the analogy, I believe there are more important differences between a kewl religion like Islam and KKK that make the comparison morally and intellectually wrong. Do not ask me to show the differences unless you really believe that there are none.

What is really interesting is your statement that muslims are above average when it comes to acting stupid. I find it very very interesting. I also find it true. I will confess that previous statement is somewhat an example of ALM's taqiyya, but I will explain later. Now tell me honestly, DH, do you think there's anything wrong with your statement (slightly rephrased by me) in bold?

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Reply #21 - April 05, 2011, 04:41 AM

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No, Islam and a lack of secular values are, but our policies are definitely making things worse,

Do you yourself disapprove of those policies in themselves or because of the supposed exacerbating effect they have?

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Reply #22 - April 05, 2011, 04:53 AM

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I am not interested in KKK and would have to look up that David guy you mentioned. However I will not discuss KKK for another reason. While I'm sure there are valuable insights in the analogy, I believe there are more important differences between a kewl religion like Islam and KKK that make the comparison morally and intellectually wrong.

The obvious difference between the KKK ideology and Islam is that the ones basis for hatred is race difference and the other is religious difference, which does not render risible the supposition that those proudly sporting Islamic robes are fully knowledgeable of and fully by into Islam's core ideology.

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What is really interesting is your statement that muslims are above average when it comes to acting stupid. I find it very very interesting. I also find it true. I will confess that previous statement is somewhat an example of ALM's taqiyya, but I will explain later. Now tell me honestly, DH, do you think there's anything wrong with your statement (slightly rephrased by me) in bold?

I can see, the way you've rephrased it, that you might wrongly regard it as a contradiction in terms. I'm not talking about BEING stupid ie lacking in innate intelligence. I'm talking about ACTING stupid.

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Reply #23 - April 05, 2011, 04:57 AM

Wasn't trying to do the contradiction thingy. You can un-phrase it back to original and tell me then if you find 100% good.

Must we go into the analogy? I will if you insist but I think the differences are so obvious that it's a bit boring.

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Reply #24 - April 05, 2011, 04:59 AM

OK so you stand 100% behind the whole Muslamic indoctrination is what makes muslims more dangerous thing? =ACTING

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