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  • Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     OP - April 07, 2011, 01:31 PM
    I can't post links  ; the article is called "Judge approves highly controversial anti-Islam ads in Metro Detroit"
    and is on the arabamericannews website.

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    DETROIT — A highly-controversial anti-Islam ad campaign has been approved on the basis of First and 14th Amendment rights in District Court.

    Judge Denise Hood granted a preliminary injunction against the Southeastern Michigan Transportation Authority's original rejection of the ads by ruling that the SMART bus system violated the aforementioned rights.

    The ads could appear on local buses soon according to The Detroit News, with messages such as "Fatwa on your head? Leaving Islam? Refuge from Islam.com. Got questions? Get answers!"

    The ads will be funded by the New York City-based American Freedom Defense Initiative group of which noted anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller is the executive director. Geller is also the head of the Stop Islamization of America organization, which is referred to as an anti-Muslim hate group by the Southern Law Poverty Center.

    Local CIOM leader Victor Begg called said the ads are another example of a hate group taking advantage of the First Amendment while noting that the Qur'an states "there is no compulsion in religion" according to The Detroit News.

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     Funny how the CIOM (what the hell is this ?) leader mentions the Quran, but not the hadith which says "whoever changes his religion, kill him" in the "Sahih" (  dance ) al-Bukhari collection.
     I was pleased to find out a few days ago that at least the Shia don't take al-Bukhari seriously.
     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #1 - April 07, 2011, 04:10 PM
    that is good news, however the ´fatwa on your head´wasnt needed and makes it sound like a joke.
    by the way, if the Hadith says  ´if one leaves his religion kill him´ does that mean if I converted to islam from catholicism it is the duty of muslims to kill me ??
    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #2 - April 07, 2011, 04:24 PM
    Pamela Geller, really  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #3 - April 07, 2011, 04:31 PM
    Google Pamela geller, She is the last person to be concerned for mankinds life and well being. She is a Class A Bigot. Its all Attention seeking. She has never been challenged. She got bitch clapped by a Russia Today Presenter for her Double standards.

    She like most other Radical Jews, wants to settle scores with their Arab cousins by using others to do it. Its so typical.

    Even the owner of Greenfootballs, referred to Pamela as a bigot and hateful person.

    The only way to make people leave Islam, is to enforce freedom of thought and discussion, not by going through opportunistic routes and stiring a fight to get attention.

    Pamela Geller needs to be debated and challanged.
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #4 - April 07, 2011, 06:49 PM
    Quote from: Pashtun on April 07, 2011, 04:31 PM
    Google Pamela geller, She is the last person to be concerned for mankinds life and well being. She is a Class A Bigot. Its all Attention seeking. She has never been challenged. She got bitch clapped by a Russia Today Presenter for her Double standards.

    She like most other Radical Jews, wants to settle scores with their Arab cousins by using others to do it. Its so typical.

    Even the owner of Greenfootballs, referred to Pamela as a bigot and hateful person.

    The only way to make people leave Islam, is to enforce freedom of thought and discussion, not by going through opportunistic routes and stiring a fight to get attention.

    Pamela Geller needs to be debated and challanged.

     Yes. you are right, we should debate her(NOT ME) .. but answer the lady

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXQl2beDNRw

    that is  April 1, 2011. National Press Club. Washington, D.C. www.usasurvival.org

    you know in the other post at http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15425.msg425936#msg425936  you said this  
    Quote
    Yeez has shown his double standards
     He hides sincere and legit criticism of Jews
    Once Islam is out of the scence,

    I will pull the brains out of her skull  and inject some of your socialism in to her Pashtun., That is very easy to do.. but first we need to see "Islam is out of the scene"
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #5 - April 07, 2011, 07:09 PM
     
    Quote from: Pashtun on April 07, 2011, 04:31 PM
    Google Pamela geller,  ..

    Pamela Geller needs to be debated and challanged.

    Pashtun forget goggling., Please watch her tubes that came out on April 1st..  2011

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfVsHRmuFvg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfveSC3fE48

    and the third one is in the above post., I want you write a concise rebuttal to her three videos.,  in this thread., This is important fo rme  because I myself writing  a rebuttal to her  with reference to her style and some her statements.  I will appreciate your input  in to it.

    Don't go in to JUICE... that will not be helpful.. Also tell me a strategy to SHUT PEOPLE LIKE HER.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #6 - April 07, 2011, 07:27 PM
    I hate it when I see people like Geller & Spencer using the ex-Muslim cause to advance their own bigoted agenda.

    They have absolutely no genuine understanding, empathy or concern for the real needs and issues of ex-Muslims and their families and i note they link to faithfreedom and jihadwatch - those bastions of concern for the welfare for ex-Muslims.

    Leave Islam
    23 Apr 2010 ... Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get answers! RefugefromIslam.com.” It was the first time anyone offered public help to people threatened under ...

    refugefromislam.com/
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #7 - April 07, 2011, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 07, 2011, 07:27 PM
    I hate it when I see people like Geller & Spencer using the ex-Muslim cause to advance their own bigoted agenda.

    They have absolutely no genuine understanding, empathy or concern for the real needs and issues of ex-Muslims and their families and i note they link to faithfreedom and jihadwatch - those bastions of concern for the welfare for ex-Muslims.

      well that is NOT concise rebuttal  on their agenda but  it is your personal opinion., What is this? are these guys Geller & Spencer  going to become President and vice president of USA by their anti Muslim/anti Islamic agenda??
    Quote
    Leave Islam
    23 Apr 2010 ... Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get answers! RefugefromIslam.com.” It was the first time anyone offered public help to people threatened under ...

    refugefromislam.com/

    I just don't get what you  said  above.  Would it not  be a good idea to have an organization in west  and  IN EVERY COUNTRY to have some transient  help to those who would like to move out of Islam??   (not just Islam.. for that matter any religion). I would say such organizations either with GOVT support or with tax exempted private donation is necessary  in every country. And UN must support such organizations. Clearly Ex-Muslims, Ex-Christians, Ex-juice.,    Ex-hindus, Ex-Pagans, Ex-Buddhists, ex-ex-.... are the best to start such organizations.

    http://freedomdefense.typepad.com/leave-islam/

    Don't you want to support such organization or make one /work for an organization like that??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #8 - April 07, 2011, 08:18 PM
    Geller does crack me up sometimes but hey man, she's there because no one else is. No one else is standing up for ex-Muslims that I know of (whoever much it is questionable she is there with Muslims/ex-Muslims at heart). Until there is a better person, I think she should have the right to continue what she does, since however bigoted she is, she highlights key issues the general public do need to hear and discuss and think about.

    If only the US had a Douglas Murray. But then that wouldn't quite make it sensationalism America that we know of.  Tongue Take their "The Apprentice" show - the candidates are far better looking! Wink Tongue j/k j/k
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  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #9 - April 07, 2011, 08:22 PM
    She has the right to continue what she does regardless of whether or not someone better comes along. You really need an intensive course on the meaning of rights.
    fuck you
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #10 - April 07, 2011, 08:45 PM
    School him like Schooly D Q.
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #11 - April 08, 2011, 01:54 AM
    Quote from: Mutha Kuffar on April 07, 2011, 04:10 PM
    that is good news, however the ´fatwa on your head´wasnt needed and makes it sound like a joke.
    by the way, if the Hadith says  ´if one leaves his religion kill him´ does that mean if I converted to islam from catholicism it is the duty of muslims to kill me ??


    I think it says if one of YOU leaves his religion, which would restrict it to muslims only
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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    Watch Ishina lie and then try to squirm her way out of it like a worm
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #12 - April 08, 2011, 04:43 AM
    Hassan said it all in his post. Afro
    Quote from: billy on February 13, 2011, 02:13 PM
    "And lo, verily hath they spoken, not one of this tribe, upon whom these entreaties were beseeched for the Lord, could giveth a shit."


    Read my blog here: http://dimunituvediva.wordpress.com/
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #13 - April 08, 2011, 05:17 AM
    I really don't know much about Pamela, so tell me how is she bigoted? Appears to me that she's doing what every self respecting Pashtun Jew should be doing...
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #14 - April 08, 2011, 05:56 AM
    I doubt that Ms. Geller has concern for ex-Muslims and what they go through.  IMO her fight has much more to do with her rabid Zionism than compassion for ex-Muslims.
    Quote from: billy on February 13, 2011, 02:13 PM
    "And lo, verily hath they spoken, not one of this tribe, upon whom these entreaties were beseeched for the Lord, could giveth a shit."


    Read my blog here: http://dimunituvediva.wordpress.com/
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #15 - April 08, 2011, 08:25 AM
    I visited her page thinking it might have ideas for getting asylum/moving overseas for ex muslims in muslim countries, but seems like its only for american ex muslims  Roll Eyes. They don't really need 'refuge from islam'.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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    Previously donatelo
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    Watch Ishina lie and then try to squirm her way out of it like a worm
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #16 - April 08, 2011, 08:46 AM
    Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on April 08, 2011, 05:17 AM
    I really don't know much about Pamela, so tell me how is she bigoted? Appears to me that she's doing what every self respecting Pashtun Jew should be doing...



    (am typin with left hand coz i broke my arm)


    anyone who joins hands with robert spencer and insists that the Islam of the terrorists is the one and only true Islam and that most muslims are lying and hiding their true intentions - is a bigot imho - but i decided to read-up a little on her.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Geller#cite_note-28

    "Geller also published an article defending Radovan Karadžic, indicted for genocide and other war crimes against Bosnian Muslims and Croats during the Siege of Sarajevo and Srebrenica Massacre; the article argued that the Muslims were not murdered but committed suicide to embarrass their enemies."[29]


    "Controversial postings on "Atlas Shrugs" (Gellers Website) have included a number of false claims,[45][46] including that Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan (who is Jewish) supports Nazi ideology (accompanied by a fake picture of her in a Nazi uniform),[47] a video suggesting that Muslims have sex with goats, a doctored photo showing President Obama urinating on an American flag[12] and false claims that Obama's mother was involved in pornography and that Obama "was involved with a crack whore in his youth".[48][49] Geller has also posted accusations against President Obama of anti-Semitism and doing the bidding of "Islamic overlords," while her site posted a posting by another writer who, inter alia, suggested without any evidence that the President is the "love child" of Malcolm X"


    It is offensive an sickening to me that such people use the very real dangers and problems ex-muslims face to further their right-wing neocon agenda.
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #17 - April 08, 2011, 08:51 AM
    She sounds like a complete loony.  Cheesy
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #18 - April 08, 2011, 08:52 AM
    Quote from: L2PK on April 08, 2011, 08:25 AM
    I visited her page thinking it might have ideas for getting asylum/moving overseas for ex muslims in muslim countries, but seems like its only for american ex muslims  Roll Eyes. They don't really need 'refuge from islam'.


    You  Nailed it L2PK...   That is exactly I am highlighting for her ., Forget American Ex-Ms   work with ExMs from Algeria to Indonesia and all the people in the  middle

    Quote from: osmanthus on April 08, 2011, 08:51 AM
    She sounds like a complete loony.  Cheesy

      there is little doubt on that   and she badly  needs medication..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #19 - April 08, 2011, 09:28 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on April 08, 2011, 08:52 AM
      there is little doubt on that   and she badly  needs medication..


    Religion Is Not The Enemy - Rebecca Bynum

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRoM1UlCOs

    Ha!?? so what is religion??



    Funny I never heard of her before...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #20 - April 08, 2011, 09:32 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 08, 2011, 08:46 AM
    anyone who joins hands with robert spencer and insists that the Islam of the terrorists is the one and only true Islam and that most muslims are lying and hiding their true intentions - is a bigot imho - but i decided to read-up a little on her.


    This is what Robert Spencer said about terrorists and Islam :
    "I have never said that the terrorists' interpretation of Islam is the accurate or correct one. But I have pointed out that the terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam, and moderates have mounted no successful response as yet."
     
    Quote
    It is offensive an sickening to me that such people use the very real dangers and problems ex-muslims face to further their right-wing neocon agenda.


    I was disapointed to see Robert Spencer hand-in-hand with the neocons at Fox News.
    Also, I don't like it when, on jihadwatch, he writes about murders commited by Muslims, murders which are not always commited in the name of Islam; he treats them all the same, as islamic terrorism.
    His criticism of the Quran and the hadith is valuable, though.
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #21 - April 08, 2011, 09:39 AM
    Quote from: Stefan Udrea on April 08, 2011, 09:32 AM
    This is what Robert Spencer said about terrorists and Islam :
    "I have never said that the terrorists' interpretation of Islam is the accurate or correct one. But I have pointed out that the terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam, and moderates have mounted no successful response as yet."

    he has gone up a notch in my estimation tho he's wrong that terrorists have been successful at portraying themselves as exponents of true islam amongst most muslims



     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #22 - April 08, 2011, 10:12 AM
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    tho he's wrong that terrorists have been successful at portraying themselves as exponents of true islam amongst most muslims

    I agree with you but I'm interested in why or how you think he's wrong in this sense.
    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #23 - April 08, 2011, 10:25 AM
    Quote from: arX on April 08, 2011, 10:12 AM
    I agree with you but I'm interested in why or how you think he's wrong in this sense.

    Good question., well Hassan's friend might throw some light on that

    Quote
    .................

    Islam is influenced by Christianity and Judaism and shares many features with these religions. However, it has a dimension that these two faiths don’t and that is its political dimension. ...

    As you see religions come in all shapes and forms. Cults are also religion.................

    Quote
    I believe in Bugs Bunny. I worship his holiness Bugs Bunny dearly. I practice my religion by making a bowl of popcorns and watch his blessed cartoons any time I feel tired or not feel great. He gives me immense joy and I can forget all my problems. Tell me why my religion should not be recognized as a religion. I admit that there are not many practitioners in my church. Some children also believe in Bugs Bunny but unfortunately as they age, they lose their innocence, become distracted by other things and apostatize. Nonetheless I know for a fact that my faith is real. Why I cannot form a tax exempt church consisting of me, myself and my person? Does number matter? How many people should I proselytize so my church is recognized as a legitimate religion? My religion teaches me that animals are also humans. His holiness Bugs Bunny pbuh is a rabbit. I can recruit my cat and all the cats and dogs in my neighbourhood. Who can say no. Is that irrational. Maybe, but that is the beauty of faith. All faiths are irrational. That is why they are called faith.



    The problem with Islam is not because it is a religion. People can believe in what they want to believe. The problem with Islam is with its political dimension. 


    Islam is a chameleon system of belief. It is political but it operates as religion. It is religion but it has political goal. It intrudes in personal lives of all living beings, not just its believers. Even dogs and pigs are not spared from its onslaught.

    We cannot attack Islam as a religion but we can attack it as a political system that is at odds with our constitution and at war with our system of government.

    There is however, one thing that all religions share and that is the Golden Rule. Virtually all religions, no matter how diverse they are, have at their core the belief that one should treat others as one wishes to be treated. This Golden Rule is absent in Islam. In this sense Islam can be compared to KKK, Nazism and other racist supremacist groups. We can ban Islam because of this. If KKK can be banned why can’t Islam be banned?

    So what do we call these so-called terrorists whose background is Islam?? How about Islamic terrorists  BUT NOT MUSLIMS.. 

    would that make any sense..   and that Hassan's friend writes at http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/should-islam-be-classified-as-a-religion/
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #24 - April 08, 2011, 10:28 AM
    At arx - Ask all the muslims u know if the terrorists r following true islam
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #25 - April 08, 2011, 10:37 AM
    I think it would be reasonable the same Ad's to be advertised in the Jewish Orthodox Communities in America but instead work to convert Jews out of their faith. Lets see how long that would last before the Lawyers sue your backside off or get you jailed for AntiSemitism lol!

    I think its very unfair for people to bash Islam and work against it, but on the other hand I dont think Pamela Geller who is a Jewish Radical would like it if I started advertising Ad on freedom to question the Holocaust, or advertise it as a Holohoax?

    There are ways and methods to address the problems within Religion, and stiring and causing trouble is not one of them.

    Pamela Geller enjoys posing pics of moh with a pig head on, but on the other hand, she dispises those who draw cartoons of the holocaust!

    I think the ONLY reasonable critic of Religion, Is richard Dawkins and to come extent Hitchens.

    The rest can bugger off.
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #26 - April 08, 2011, 10:48 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 08, 2011, 10:28 AM
    At arx - Ask all the muslims u know if the terrorists r following true islam

    Reductionist concepts like "true Islam" are quite meaningless which is why I disagree with Spencer but would also disagree with "all the Muslims [ I ] know" who might take this term seriously.
    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #27 - April 08, 2011, 10:54 AM
    The point is most muslims do not believe the terrorists follow true islam-  i of course agree there is no such thing as true islam.
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #28 - April 08, 2011, 11:00 AM
    Bye am posting on my phone with left thumb and it's a real pain
  • Re: Campaign in favor of people who leave Islam gets approved in Detroit
     Reply #29 - April 08, 2011, 11:04 AM
    I mean btw not bye
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