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OP - April 09, 2011, 08:11 AM

I was thinking about being covert about this but I assume you are all decent people so I have no need to hide my intentions. I am a Muslim curious about ex-muslims simply because I want a different perspective than the one that I'm familiar with.

I've known few ex-muslims in my life and of the few there's only one whom I really conversed throughly with regarding religion and I really didn't respect his opinion much because he used extremely shallow and base arguments to defend his points; suffice to say I wasn't really interested in hearing Bill Maher's opinion re-hashed constantly, I've already watched religulous and am familiar with the comedic genius of George Carlin (funny because its true) and there wasn't much else he had to support his arguments. Although in his defence we were only 17 so I didn't expect much. It's funny, I remember this Muslim girl who made a diligent but futile effort to actually proselytize him and it always brought a smile to my face watching her hand him a brochure very excitedly but he would always refuse it (this happened numerous times). I don't blame him, they were the typical brochures published by neighborhood Masjids that didn't really address issues of importance to ex-Muslims.

I digress. Where was I going with this? Right! My point in all this was that I'm just here to get a different take on many of the tenets and beliefs of Islam.

Anyways this post may seem somewhat like an incoherent and awkward introduction but keep in mind its 4:11am in, ahem, Botswana, so that's what you can attribute that to.
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Reply #1 - April 09, 2011, 08:35 AM

Quote from: streetrayDio on April 09, 2011, 08:11 AM
I was thinking about being covert about this but I assume you are all decent people so I have no need to hide my intentions. I am a Muslim curious about ex-muslims simply because I want a different perspective than the one that I'm familiar with.

I've known few ex-muslims in my life and of the few there's only one whom I really conversed throughly with regarding religion and I really didn't respect his opinion much because he used extremely shallow and base arguments to defend his points; suffice to say I wasn't really interested in hearing Bill Maher's opinion re-hashed constantly, I've already watched religulous and am familiar with the comedic genius of George Carlin (funny because its true) and there wasn't much else he had to support his arguments. Although in his defence we were only 17 so I didn't expect much. It's funny, I remember this Muslim girl who made a diligent but futile effort to actually proselytize him and it always brought a smile to my face watching her hand him a brochure very excitedly but he would always refuse it (this happened numerous times). I don't blame him, they were the typical brochures published by neighborhood Masjids that didn't really address issues of importance to ex-Muslims.

I digress. Where was I going with this? Right! My point in all this was that I'm just here to get a different take on many of the tenets and beliefs of Islam.

Anyways this post may seem somewhat like an incoherent and awkward introduction but keep in mind its 4:11am in, ahem, Botswana, so that's what you can attribute that to.

No.No. Nooo., This is in fact MOST COHERENT post I ever read from a believer in CEMB., more importantly you appears to be an open minded guy who is true to his faith streetrayDio., So you watch Bill Maher in Botswana?? That guy is jew joker..

So are you familiar with Ahmed deedat? did you read any of his books? Please read some of his books http://www.ahmed-deedat.co.za/frameset.asp

welcome to CEMB and let your friends & well wishes know about this forum and site

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Reply #2 - April 09, 2011, 08:36 AM

Aslam o alikum brother,welcome here,im also muslim from germany.overall this site is ok,people like to debate,but i think the 'ex muslim' here believe in many rididuclous things,for example if you ask them how did universe start,can you even make a cell without god,they have no answer but they try to change the topic by useless jokes like 'flying spaghati monster'.anyway i recommend its not good for you to talk on this site unless u have strng faith,because is very easy to become tempted and listan to the shaitan and start questioning,i can handle because my faith is strong and i have very good imams here,but i would think its not good idea for all muslim to come here,if you have any questions its better if you pm me and i will try to help you
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Reply #3 - April 09, 2011, 08:44 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on April 09, 2011, 08:35 AM
No.No. Nooo., This is in fact MOST COHERENT post I ever read from a believer in CEMB., more importantly you appears to be an open minded guy who is true to his faith streetrayDio., So you watch Bill Maher in Botswana?? That guy is jew joker..

So are you familiar with Ahmed deedat? did you read any of his books? Please read some of his books

welcome to CEMB and let your friends & well wishes know about this forum and site

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Hey, thanks for the warm welcome.

And to answer your question, yes I'm familiar with Ahmed Deedat and his protegé Dr. Zakir Naik. Although I do enjoy listening to both of them; sometimes they deduce syllogisms that leave people stumped, I believe that sometimes we need to take their words with a grain of salt because their contentions can be countered. In general however, I don't support evangelical endeavors. I haven't read any of his books but I'll look into it. Currently I'm reading "In Search of Enemies" by John Stockwell but as soon as I finish I'll look into one of his books.
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Reply #4 - April 09, 2011, 08:47 AM

Quote from: alsaeedm on April 09, 2011, 08:36 AM
Aslam o alikum brother,welcome here,im also muslim from germany.overall this site is ok,people like to debate,but i think the 'ex muslim' here believe in many rididuclous things,for example if you ask them how did universe start,can you even make a cell without god,they have no answer but they try to change the topic by useless jokes like 'flying spaghati monster'.anyway i recommend its not good for you to talk on this site unless u have strng faith,because is very easy to become tempted and listan to the shaitan and start questioning,i can handle because my faith is strong and i have very good imams here,but i would think its not good idea for all muslim to come here,if you have any questions its better if you pm me and i will try to help you

Walaikum Salaam akh,

Thanks for the cautionary note, I'll be sure to contact you if I have any concerns. Just curious though, how did you happen to come across this site anyway?
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Reply #5 - April 09, 2011, 08:48 AM

Hi and welcome

Who is that in your avatar btw?
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Reply #6 - April 09, 2011, 08:49 AM

^ haha it's Eldridge Cleaver
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Reply #7 - April 09, 2011, 08:49 AM

Quote from: streetrayDio on April 09, 2011, 08:47 AM
Walaikum Salaam akh,

Thanks for the cautionary note, I'll be sure to contact you if I have any concerns. Just curious though, how did you happen to come across this site anyway?

i saw on youtube some video they made,but its just fitna,is better not to listen to such things
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Reply #8 - April 09, 2011, 08:52 AM

Quote from: streetrayDio on April 09, 2011, 08:44 AM
Hey, thanks for the warm welcome.

And to answer your question, yes I'm familiar with Ahmed Deedat and his protegé Dr. Zakir Naik. Although I do enjoy listening to both of them; sometimes they deduce syllogisms that leave people stumped, I believe that sometimes we need to take their words with a grain of salt because their contentions can be countered. In general however, I don't support evangelical endeavors. I haven't read any of his books but I'll look into it. Currently I'm reading "In Search of Enemies" by John Stockwell but as soon as I finish I'll look into one of his books.

That CIA agent... foolish fellow, but I am glad he is turning heat on CIA ., So did you attend this meeting

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Reply #9 - April 09, 2011, 08:53 AM

^ Ohh that's how, Yeah since I joined here I've already watched one of TheRationalizer's videos.
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Reply #10 - April 09, 2011, 08:54 AM

that man tried to debate with me,he tried to tell me about some fish that dont kill each other,he tried to say that this is somehow proof that everyone already knows good and bad,i asked him to prove it and instead he just left the debate
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Reply #11 - April 09, 2011, 08:55 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on April 09, 2011, 08:52 AM
That CIA agent... foolish fellow, but I am glad he is turning heat on CIA ., So did you attend this meeting

(Clicky for piccy!)

Aha I'm not actually from Botswana, it just sounds cooler than where I'm actually from. Anyways that does look like an interesting event to attend
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Reply #12 - April 09, 2011, 08:56 AM

Quote from: alsaeedm on April 09, 2011, 08:54 AM
that man tried to debate with me,he tried to tell me about some fish that dont kill each other,he tried to say that this is somehow proof that everyone already knows good and bad,i asked him to prove it and instead he just left the debate

I've always thought that morality was something that was learned rather than inherent in the human
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Reply #13 - April 09, 2011, 08:58 AM

You don't believe in Fitrah?
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Reply #14 - April 09, 2011, 08:59 AM

Welcome streetraydio my story is in my sig if you're interested
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Reply #15 - April 09, 2011, 09:00 AM

yes,i agree also,thats why god sent prophets to teach morality,and then people just taught to their children,otherwise if someone grows up in a jungle,he is like a wolf,he doesnt have morality,thats why there are holy books to teach it
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Reply #16 - April 09, 2011, 09:01 AM

Hi streetray, you sound like a decent guy.

Saeed, you can PM him also, in case he is able to give you a more-experienced perspective on things? I have a feeling you could learn one our two things from him.

Streetray - we have another good, but occasional, muslim contributer on here called lightray...not a relation of yours is he?

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Reply #17 - April 09, 2011, 09:01 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on April 09, 2011, 08:58 AM
You don't believe in Fitrah?

fitrah is not same thing as morality,mr 'ex muslim'
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Reply #18 - April 09, 2011, 09:01 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on April 09, 2011, 08:58 AM
You don't believe in Fitrah?

Haha ofc I do, what I meant was morals in society today and social constructs are learned. My stance on Fitrah would be limited to Tawhid I suppose
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Reply #19 - April 09, 2011, 09:02 AM

Quote from: musivore on April 09, 2011, 09:01 AM
Hi streetray, you sound like a decent guy.

Saeed, you can PM him also, in case he is able to give you a more-experienced perspective on things? I have a feeling you could learn one our two things from him.

Streetray - we have another good, but occasional, muslim contributer on here called lightray...not a relation of yours is he?

you are also a muslim now right?because you said?
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Reply #20 - April 09, 2011, 09:02 AM

Quote from: musivore on April 09, 2011, 09:01 AM
Hi streetray, you sound like a decent guy.

Saeed, you can PM him also, in case he is able to give you a more-experienced perspective on things? I have a feeling you could learn one our two things from him.

Streetray - we have another good, but occasional, muslim contributer on here called lightray...not a relation of yours is he?

Haha what a coincidence. No I'm not familiar with him but I'll be sure to get to know him soon
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Reply #21 - April 09, 2011, 09:03 AM

Quote from: Hassan on April 09, 2011, 08:59 AM
Welcome streetraydio my story is in my sig if you're interested

Thanks for the welcome
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Reply #22 - April 09, 2011, 09:18 AM

Quote from: alsaeedm on April 09, 2011, 09:02 AM
you are also a muslim now right?because you said?

No, I'm still thinking about it mate

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Reply #23 - April 09, 2011, 09:23 AM

Welcome to the forum, streetrayDio.

You sound like a cool, open-minded guy we could reason with. Ignore the troll alsaeedm. His IQ is south of 10.

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Reply #24 - April 09, 2011, 09:25 AM

streetrayDio do you have Muslims parents or did you convert to Islam?
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Reply #25 - April 09, 2011, 09:26 AM

Quote from: ateapotist on April 09, 2011, 09:23 AM
Welcome to the forum, streetrayDio.

You sound like a cool, open-minded guy we could reason with. Ignore the troll alsaeedm. His IQ is south of 10.

this is what i mean,all they know is to make jokes and insults,no one can debate properly
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Reply #26 - April 09, 2011, 09:37 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on April 09, 2011, 09:25 AM
streetrayDio do you have Muslims parents or did you convert to Islam?

I'm a born Muslim. Although my understanding of Islam has some variance with what my parents believe. My family is from the Indian Sub-continent so naturally we follow the Hanafi madhab and more or less subscribe to a form of Islam that is analogous to deobandis. Although I consider myself a traditional Muslim there are some discrepancies between my beliefs and the older generation. For example, my maternal grandfather, who is from Hyderabad, sees nothing wrong with gambling (the lottery specifically) and palm-reading and considers both to be acceptable practices in Islam, accordingly, my grandma also discouraged my mom from wearing the hijab when she chose to do so. LOL
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Reply #27 - April 09, 2011, 12:04 PM

Hi.

Do you subscribe to the majority view wrt belief in Islam (that disbelief is punished by eternal hell)?
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Reply #28 - April 09, 2011, 01:36 PM

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Reply #29 - April 09, 2011, 01:40 PM

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