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  • New Ex-Muslim - My story
     OP - April 13, 2011, 12:33 AM

    I am 19 years old and converted a little under three years ago. I feel almost embarrassed about this fact - I was fooled. When I expressed an interest in Islam I was bombarded with encouragement and offers of help and guidance. Islam and the community seemed so warm, welcoming and everything seemed to make sense.

    Fast forward about 18 months to 2 years and I see the mistake I made. The once warm community had disappeared. When I used to go to the Mosque all I see are expressionless, cold faces, angry, shouting Imams and a mixture in the congregation of those that didn't really want to be there, and the zealots and enthusiasts at the front. The latter had no real answers when ever I asked about Islam, they just seemed cold, stiff and full of anger about something. Around the world I only saw cruelty in Muslim nations. Cruelty unheard of in this day and age in the west, the west that was being portrayed as immoral and full of error to me and so many like me. I used to tell myself that the culture of anger, of misogyny, intolerance, of anger, the stone-cold masses inside the Mosque and the aggressive, in-your-face zealots were not Islam, but just the acts of individuals and the norms of various foreign cultures that I knew little about. Yet again, how wrong I was. I began, for the first time, to study Islam with an open, non-bias mind, a mind willing to both praise AND critique where necessary. A mind willing to look a bit further and scrutinise. What I found horrified me. The following shocked me to the core and made me realise Islam is NOT a religion of God:

    1) Slavery tolerated. The ''prophet'' himself said Allah does not accept the prayers of a run away slave. Wow, how dare a man pursue his freedom (sarcasm)

    2) A woman's word only worth half a man's word in court. So horribly misogynist.

    3) There is no grounds for a man to marry Aisha, a small child.

    4) A non-Muslim can not testify Vs a Muslim in some cases in Sharia law. How can you have a just society when large parts of the population are excluded from the justice system? It is also a logical blunder, as it would place Muslims above their very own laws. A slave is also not allowed to testify in court.

    5) The genocide committed by Mohammed against various tribes in Arabia, backed up by Quran.

    6) Being able to pay COMPENSATION to walk FREE from a murder you were convicted of. I later read that this rule is manipulated in many Islamic nations to avoid punishment for honour killings. How can an all-wise God's law be so easy to circumvent?

    7) The contradictions in the Quran. The one that springs to mind is the amount of times Quran contradicts itself about Satan. One minute he is a jinn, next he is an angel.

    8 ) Islam forbids fornication, but NOT sexual slavery. The Quran clearly states you can have sex with the women ''your right hand possesses''.

    Of course, before leaving Islam I approached many people for answers about the above and other points. I asked Muslims on line, in Mosques, normal Muslims, young Muslims, elder Muslims, Imams and scholars in online services. It was all the same, Muslims seemed split into many types. The zealous Muslims gave aggressive responses and irrelevant criticism of the west. The more extreme Muslims gave shocking justifications, like, for example, that having a slave is ok as long as you promise to feed and cloth them, and that when the Prophet defeated tribes, he took the few survivors as slaves to ''look after'' them, which, basically, means that GENOCIDE is okay as long as you feed, cloth and shelter the survivors whilst you enslave them. How sickening!. Then there were the moderate Muslims who, really, didn't know much about Islam and simply didn't know. Then there were the Muslims who were not really religious and weren't interested in finding or giving answers. All in all, it became clear to me that Muslims did not have the answers, and that the foundations of many Muslim's faith was based more on culture and assumption than actual knowledge of Islam. Muslims did not have the answers because the list above can not be answered, it is unacceptable, and it became clearer and clearer to me that Islam is NOT the religion of God.

    Now my mind is free, since I left Islam, I feel like I have got myself back. I DO believe in God, but am not keen on religions. I feel a new lease of life since leaving Islam and would advise anyone to NEVER convert, the Muslims and the Dawah experts are mere car salesmen - talking up and glorifying that which is clearly a heap of junk!

    Sorry if my testimony is long, I just felt I had to tell the WHOLE story and reason. I wish to join CEMB as I feel it is a great organisation to help protect and support people in a situation similar to my own.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #1 - April 13, 2011, 12:38 AM

    Welcome T_sami, and no it was too long at all,  If anything you only reiterate what so many of us here feel, and remind us of our own journeys too.   Afro

    Although I wasn't a convert (I was born into it), your shocking awakening into reality and search for information against it all, reflects how I was also shocked at just how barbaric islam really was.  At least you got early. 

    Hope you enjoy your stay here.   Smiley


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #2 - April 13, 2011, 12:44 AM

    signwelcome tell us how you found us through a trail of 70,392,567 websites?

    My Book     news002       
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  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #3 - April 13, 2011, 12:45 AM

    Welcome T_Sami.   Smiley  What first got you interested in Islam before you converted?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #4 - April 13, 2011, 12:48 AM

    Welcome!  Smiley

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #5 - April 13, 2011, 12:52 AM

    Welcome.  turnipovich


    Quote
    6) Being able to pay COMPENSATION to walk FREE from a murder you were convicted of. I later read that this rule is manipulated in many Islamic nations to avoid punishment for honour killings. How can an all-wise God's law be so easy to circumvent?


    This is the only one that you listed that, while not justifiable in modern terms, I don't think is wholly immoral regardless of historical circumstances. Back when that was laid down it was a common practice already, amongst many societies. Anglo-Saxon law is almost identical in this respect. At the time, it was relatively easy to flee from a murder, and blood feuds would erupt when the relatives of the murdered selected a proxy to die from the family of the murderer, after the murderer fled or the relatives refused to give the murderer up. Blood money was developed to end blood feuds. Unfortunately, like many practices in Islam that was merely a reflection of the time it was developed, there are still douchebags that think we should live in the fuckin 7th century.

    Quote
    Sorry if my testimony is long, I just felt I had to tell the WHOLE story and reason. I wish to join CEMB as I feel it is a great organisation to help protect and support people in a situation similar to my own.


    Fuck that-- thanks for sharing it with us.

    fuck you
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #6 - April 13, 2011, 12:55 AM

    welcome bro!

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #7 - April 13, 2011, 01:03 AM

    Thanks, I feel welcome already Smiley Where can I see similar stories to my own?
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #8 - April 13, 2011, 01:04 AM

    Welcome.  turnipovich


    This is the only one that you listed that, while not justifiable in modern terms, I don't think is wholly immoral regardless of historical circumstances. Back when that was laid down it was a common practice already, amongst many societies. Anglo-Saxon law is almost identical in this respect. At the time, it was relatively easy to flee from a murder, and blood feuds would erupt when the relatives of the murdered selected a proxy to die from the family of the murderer, after the murderer fled or the relatives refused to give the murderer up. Blood money was developed to end blood feuds. Unfortunately, like many practices in Islam that was merely a reflection of the time it was developed, there are still douchebags that think we should live in the fuckin 7th century.

    Fuck that-- thanks for sharing it with us.


    Maybe there is some rationale behind that rule, in past tense, but the thing that drives me most crazy about that rule is not that a murderer can walk free as that happens so often even in this legal system, but that you can pay to get off for murder, but you commit adultery and forget it, you are a dead woman walking.

    If I can pay to walk free from a murder, I should be able to pay to walk free from cheating.

    Added to that, less money in compensation for a woman, and the rates continue to plummet as the worth of the person goes from muslim woman, to female kaffir.

    Islam is twisted.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #9 - April 13, 2011, 01:05 AM

    Thanks, I feel welcome already Smiley Where can I see similar stories to my own?


    In the ex muslim blogs and bio section, loads of coming out and walking free stories to be read.  Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #10 - April 13, 2011, 01:09 AM

    signwelcome tell us how you found us through a trail of 70,392,567 websites?


    I've always been aware of the Council of Ex-Muslims, so I hit them in on Google.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #11 - April 13, 2011, 01:11 AM

    Welcome.  turnipovich


    This is the only one that you listed that, while not justifiable in modern terms, I don't think is wholly immoral regardless of historical circumstances. Back when that was laid down it was a common practice already, amongst many societies. Anglo-Saxon law is almost identical in this respect. At the time, it was relatively easy to flee from a murder, and blood feuds would erupt when the relatives of the murdered selected a proxy to die from the family of the murderer, after the murderer fled or the relatives refused to give the murderer up. Blood money was developed to end blood feuds. Unfortunately, like many practices in Islam that was merely a reflection of the time it was developed, there are still douchebags that think we should live in the fuckin 7th century.

    Fuck that-- thanks for sharing it with us.



    That may be so, but remember Islam is meant to be the ''final revelation'' - meaning no rule changes until judgement day. The blood money rule is just not applicable to today's world and killers must now be punished.  That just goes to show Islam is NOT compatible with the modern world we live in, it can not meet the modern world's needs in terms of law enforcement, justice and fairness.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #12 - April 13, 2011, 01:12 AM

    welcome bro!


    Thank you Smiley
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #13 - April 13, 2011, 01:12 AM

    I've always been aware of the Council of Ex-Muslims, so I hit them in on Google.

    I get the feeling that the news is out about the organisation, at least where it matters, in underground ex-muslim circles  dance

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #14 - April 13, 2011, 01:13 AM

    Thanks, I feel welcome already Smiley Where can I see similar stories to my own?


    This section and Ex-Muslim blogs and bios.

    Maybe there is some rationale behind that rule, in past tense, but the thing that drives me most crazy about that rule is not that a murderer can walk free as that happens so often even in this legal system, but that you can pay to get off for murder, but you commit adultery and forget it, you are a dead woman walking.

    If I can pay to walk free from a murder, I should be able to pay to walk free from cheating.

    Added to that, less money in compensation for a woman, and the rates continue to plummet as the worth of the person goes from muslim woman, to female kaffir.

    Islam is twisted.


    That's just the way shit worked back then, and not just in Arabia. In some societies women had more rights and roles, but in most they were treated as property once the society progressed from hunter-gatherer to the beginnings of civilization. It's not like the Anglo-Saxon weregild paid an equal amount for men and women either-- like in Islam the blood money was paid on the basis of the murdered's relative social status. For slaves, you weren't required to pay anything. And with adultery there's not much danger of blood feud since the adulterers own family is usually the ones to do them in.

    Point being is that is was a system of criminal justice that was most practicable for its time, but i don't see the payment of blood money as being inherently immoral within any historical context.


    That may be so, but remember Islam is meant to be the ''final revelation'' - meaning no rule changes until judgement day. The blood money rule is just not applicable to today's world and killers must now be punished.  That just goes to show Islam is NOT compatible with the modern world we live in, it can not meet the modern world's needs in terms of law enforcement, justice and fairness.


    Oh, mos def. You got no argument from me on that.

    fuck you
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #15 - April 13, 2011, 01:16 AM

    Welcome T_Sami.   Smiley  What first got you interested in Islam before you converted?


    Well, unfortunately, the ''car salesmen'' I guess. To me Islam seemed like a peaceful religion, everything explained in a rational way, it seemed to have an answer for everything. It also seemed to be big on family values and being compassionate. Now I realise that this image is projected to you when you express an interest in Islam in order to reel you in. Luckily, I was not fooled when they suddenly tried to twist and slant these claimed values and Islam began to show it's true tenets.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #16 - April 13, 2011, 01:18 AM

    Welcome!  Smiley


    Thanks Smiley
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #17 - April 13, 2011, 01:23 AM

    Welcome to the forum, bro. victory
    Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Afro

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #18 - April 13, 2011, 01:25 AM

    Welcome to the forum, bro. victory
    Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Afro


    Cool.   Cheesy


    Sorry.  Embarrassed

    Carry on.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #19 - April 13, 2011, 01:29 AM

    lol  (u mad?)

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #20 - April 13, 2011, 01:37 AM

    In the ex muslim blogs and bio section, loads of coming out and walking free stories to be read.  Smiley


    Thanks. So what's YOUR story? Whats ur background and why did u decide to leave? (others feel free to answer too!)
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #21 - April 13, 2011, 01:40 AM

    Thanks. So what's YOUR story? Whats ur background and why did u decide to leave? (others feel free to answer too!)


    Well my bio is here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3761.0

    But if you thought yours was long, you will see, that mine is what they call long.

    I wonder if mine is the longest.   wacko

    Feel free to tl:dr though. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #22 - April 13, 2011, 01:49 AM

    Thanks. So what's YOUR story? Whats ur background and why did u decide to leave? (others feel free to answer too!)

    My story is in my intro thread.  See my very first post on this forum from last year. parrot

    I wasn't a convert/revert(!) to Islam.  I was born into it, which means I have many more (family) problems leaving Islam, but never mind.  Life goes on. parrot

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #23 - April 13, 2011, 02:19 AM

    Welcome.. your story is very well written, I hope any one thinking about converting to Islam reads it before deciding Smiley.
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #24 - April 13, 2011, 09:31 AM

    Welcome, Sami.

    I suggest your don't read Berb's story if you have a fragile heart.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #25 - April 13, 2011, 11:29 AM

    Welcome to the forum

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #26 - April 13, 2011, 01:23 PM

    Wow, that’s all really well expressed. I’m glad you took the time to write all of that.

    I’m currently in the process of getting de-converted back into Islam (long story, don’t ask...). As a result, I have regular conversations with one or two Muslims who are trying to help me with this process. I will use some of the questions you have outlined above, in order to try to get them to alleviate some of the concerns I have. I’ve already plagiarised parts of IsLame’s blog for this purpose, but it’d be a shame not to use some of your pointers also.

    Welcome, btw  Afro

    Hi
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #27 - April 13, 2011, 02:41 PM

    Hello T_Sami! Welcome to the forum parrot

    A couple of things I'd like to ask...were you raised to believe in a god, as a Christian for example, and if so, do you feel that this could have primed you for acceptance of the Islamic version? Do you (still) believe in a theist's god, a personal one that takes an interest in you, or has your vision of it altered to that of a prime mover or something more abstract such as a pantheist may envisage?
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #28 - April 13, 2011, 04:23 PM

    Welcome  Smiley
  • Re: New Ex-Muslim - My story
     Reply #29 - April 13, 2011, 06:40 PM

    Hello T_Sami! Welcome to the forum parrot

    A couple of things I'd like to ask...were you raised to believe in a god, as a Christian for example, and if so, do you feel that this could have primed you for acceptance of the Islamic version? Do you (still) believe in a theist's god, a personal one that takes an interest in you, or has your vision of it altered to that of a prime mover or something more abstract such as a pantheist may envisage?


    Well, in name I guess I was raised in the Church of England, but there was no religion in our household, so I guess I lived the life free of religion. At the moment I do believe in a God, but I'm not keen on religions. I guess something abstract, a higher being. I'm not atheist, but I have, and am not longing, to belong to any religion.
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