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 Topic: From the mouth of madness - My blog

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  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #360 - October 25, 2011, 11:00 PM

    OH YES, YOU MUST

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #361 - October 25, 2011, 11:04 PM

    can we kill chemistry to while we're at it  whistling2


    NO! What will happen if aspiring meth, ecstasy and LSD manufacturers aren't allowed to audit chemistry courses at local universities?  Cry

    fuck you
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #362 - October 25, 2011, 11:51 PM

     Cheesy
    What would happen? A very angry Abood. Lawd help us if that shit ever happens.

    Started from the bottom, now I'm here
    Started from the bottom, now my whole extended family's here

    JOIN THE CHAT
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #363 - October 25, 2011, 11:54 PM

     Cheesy

    fakk u, i don't even do chemistry.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #364 - October 26, 2011, 12:01 AM

    Abood without ecstasy is like Q without a gun, Zaiba without a vibrator, DH without bad jokes, Kod without his weed, Yeez without incoherency, Rora without her cats, Zizo without violent anal sex, Gladfly without creepy wink smileys, Harakaat without cunninlingus or Prince without fat fingaz. It just don't work son.  cool2

    Started from the bottom, now I'm here
    Started from the bottom, now my whole extended family's here

    JOIN THE CHAT
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #365 - October 26, 2011, 12:04 AM

    Grin

    I haven't had any in about two months. But I'm going to a rave this weekend. dance
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #366 - October 26, 2011, 12:06 AM

    I haven't had any in at least 7 years.

    fuck you
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #367 - October 26, 2011, 12:13 AM

    Abood without ecstasy is like Q without a gun, Zaiba without a vibrator, DH without bad jokes, Kod without his weed, Yeez without incoherency, Rora without her cats, Zizo without violent anal sex, Gladfly without creepy wink smileys, Harakaat without cunninlingus or Prince without fat fingaz. It just don't work son.  cool2


    Praise to the ceiling cat, Naija is finally not associated with cheeeba this time around grin12

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #368 - October 26, 2011, 12:20 AM

     Cheesy

    fuck you
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #369 - October 30, 2011, 01:00 AM

    Today I found out that I really truely can't believe anything anyone says to me.

    I feel really disappointed right now.

    Whatever. 

    turnipovich for life.

    Tomorrow I am putting everything to rights. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #370 - October 30, 2011, 01:04 AM

    Tomorrow let the cards fall how they may.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCRyPR9V9yA

    ^^ My new theme song. 




    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #371 - October 30, 2011, 04:18 AM

    Have you heard about your classes at university yet?
    I've peeked in afew times to see wants happening, but didn't notice anything being said.
    I hope it turned out well for you.. You seemed so distrssed over it.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #372 - November 06, 2011, 09:55 AM

    Hey Lynna, it was a no go with the uni, they said because it was now exam time it was too late and a bad idea to swap since I wouldn't be ready for the exam in a next class and I need my credits to get in to the second year, or something like that anyway.  All I heard was "no" and then the rest of the words sounded like a charlie brown episode.

    It's ok now though.  Least it gives me a lot longer to make up my mind whether it would be sociology or psychology that I switched to.

    ==================================

    So I just got invited to my parents house for Eid.  I'm kind of gutted that I can't go.  I have an exam on Tuesday so I have to spend the next couple of days preparing for it.  I've never done a proper exam.  The only exam I had in college was an IT one and that took me 15 minutes and then I left.  It was a joke exam to make up your marks for the access course.  We all argued that it wasn't preparing us for a uni exam properly, since it's suposed to be a uni type exam but they were so disorganised they fucked that up for us.

    But anyway my preparation or lack thereof is one story.  It's how disappointed I feel that I can't squeeze the time out to go visit that is the story of today.  I actually wanted to go when my brother told me they had asked him to invite me.  My dad is out of the hospital and back in England now.

    I know I act like I don't care, but I do still care.  At the end of the day they have had me declared insane through their imam.  They told him everything that happened to me, and then how I behave, and how I seem crazy saying I don't believe in Allah, and to be fair I might have come across as crazy during my early apostasy, especially as it was occuring. 

    I remember how fucking angry I was when I first found out what sort of person Mohammed really was and phoning my dad shouting at him.  I also went a bit nuts when my dad tried to gloss over the rape of war captives.  I was very disgusted and I expressed this quite verbally.  They all thought I had gone crazy and they all blame my ex husband and his treatment of me..............oh and they blame the fact that my mum was English and that she left me.  You know how muslims get about orphans, even though I had a dad, it appears the idea of having no mum is what it means to be an orphan for a young girl because a dad is no substitute for a mother to teach a girl how to be a proper woman.

    So anyway as you know, the imam told them I am crazy and that because of this I am free from judgement from allah and that its ok for them to carry on seeing me. But I rejected them.  I stopped talking to my parents for many reasons.  Things in the past, things that were happening then, things that have happened since.

    I don't know, I feel empty inside all the time.  I feel lonely for family even though my family are insane. 

    I would have gone today if I didn't need to study.

    Maybe it is a good thing I can't go.  It's not like this would end any differently.  I would go and the atmosphere between me and my father would be strained.  My other sister that I don't talk to would turn up and my father and her would be all lovey dovey infront of me and it would hurt again that things haven't been that way between me and my father since I was 13.

    Things would be fine with my step mother.  Long gaps never affected our ability to pick up our relationship again, but they are never right with my father. 

    Maybe I only want to go so I can feel proud of my accomplishments.  To have my father tell me he is proud of me.  or to reconcile with me.

    Wow. Did not realise that I still felt this torn up over my family.  I thought I was safe in my hate and my anger.  But now with one invite I feel like I would want to.  I thought I had accepted that things couldn't ever be right for us.  It's a joke to find out that I still long for that and that all my 'rationality' fuelled by anger is useless.

    So yea.  Its a good thing I can't go since I won't go once Eid is over.

    But there is something about Eid right?  I don't know if it was the same thing in Eid that was drummed into me as was drummed into you, but my parents were big on making us forgive each other on Eid and of course the parents gave forgiveness on Eid.

    So today I feel that conditioning quite deeply I guess.  That I want to go and forgive them.  I want to forgive and stop feeling so alone.

    But then it wouldn't change anything.  Nothing ever changes anything.

    Fuck it.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #373 - November 06, 2011, 10:30 AM

    It's scary how conditioning runs so deep and no matter how hard we try, we can't really shake off our families, childhood and early experiences.  I guess for better or worse, it is part of who we are and no matter how hard you try to keep it away, it will always be there in the background.

    Maybe it's a good thing that you and your family actually want to see each other again. Maybe the past will never be resolved but the only way is to move forward... Only you know what's best for you and your situation. All I know is that parents and families have a way of creating emotional turmoil in us in a way that no one else can.

     far away hug

  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #374 - November 06, 2011, 11:51 AM


    I know I act like I don't care, but I do still care.  At the end of the day they have had me declared insane through their imam.  They told him everything that happened to me, and then how I behave, and how I seem crazy saying I don't believe in Allah, and to be fair I might have come across as crazy during my early apostasy, especially as it was occuring. 

    I remember how fucking angry I was when I first found out what sort of person Mohammed really was and phoning my dad shouting at him.  I also went a bit nuts when my dad tried to gloss over the rape of war captives.  I was very disgusted and I expressed this quite verbally
    .


    I think most of us have gone through that phase of having extreme anger towards Islam at earlier years of our apostasy, i still do considering the last time i argued with my brother who thinks Mo didnt really rape Safiyya, he thinks she loves him and i retort back in anger saying "wow, i didnt realize you are an idiot until now" something i rarely say to him, though i felt bad for telling him that and for letting myself dragged into an argument.


    So anyway as you know, the imam told them I am crazy and that because of this I am free from judgement from allah and that its ok for them to carry on seeing me. [/b]


    Im already deemed as crazy and delusional at home. Allah has sealed my heart away from the truth, the jews have permanently brainwashed me.


    Quote
    But there is something about Eid right?  I don't know if it was the same thing in Eid that was drummed into me as was drummed into you, but my parents were big on making us forgive each other on Eid and of course the parents gave forgiveness on Eid.

    So today I feel that conditioning quite deeply I guess.  That I want to go and forgive them.  I want to forgive and stop feeling so alone.

    But then it wouldn't change anything.  Nothing ever changes anything.

    Fuck it.


    Im quite big on forgiveness,though its more acceptable in actions rather than say it to the person, if someone asks for forgiveness,then one has to be willing to change with action instead of mere words


    If you want to go and forgive them with the true intention of hoping that there is a chance for reconciliation, then IMO you are more likely to be disappointed with them,i cant say you should count your hopes on that but i could be wrong, i have tried every possible way to think of relating with my father but to no avail

    Quote
    Maybe it's a good thing that you and your family actually want to see each other again. Maybe the past will never be resolved but the only way is to move forward... Only you know what's best for you and your situation. All I know is that parents and families have a way of creating emotional turmoil in us in a way that no one else can.


    This.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #375 - November 06, 2011, 01:26 PM

    It's scary how conditioning runs so deep and no matter how hard we try, we can't really shake off our families, childhood and early experiences.  I guess for better or worse, it is part of who we are and no matter how hard you try to keep it away, it will always be there in the background.

    Maybe it's a good thing that you and your family actually want to see each other again. Maybe the past will never be resolved but the only way is to move forward... Only you know what's best for you and your situation. All I know is that parents and families have a way of creating emotional turmoil in us in a way that no one else can.

     far away hug


    They certainly do.  hugs 

    I'm just tired of still struggling to decide what I want to do with them.  I am getting like this with so many things.  Maybe I am just too apathetic now.  Everything seems futile so what I want out of something doesn't even matter anymore.  I feel so pessimistic that it seems easier to just shut down and reject everybody, every opening, every chance to move forward.  It just doesn't seem worth it.

    I'm not dealing with anything personal right now.  I am my own allah, setting my own seal on my heart so I can not see or hear anything to the contrary of my beliefs, because I've been there before.

    Too many disappointments to mention, too many let downs.  I just can't put myself out there for family, or for anyone anymore.

    It all seems false when I dwell on it.  We have been here before.  Them inviting me, me going, me realising how lonely I feel when I get there because they can't ever be that family I need them to be and I can't accept them as the family that they are anymore.

    I used to feel more than this. I had more hope, but now even when I feel the hope I can crush it so fast with my memory.  You can see it in that post.  I start off remembering and longing, but by the end of typing reality kicked in and I admit it is better I can't go. 

    Because it is better not to deal with it anymore.  It's all been bottled away.  Everything is being bottled away now.

    I don't want to feel.  I don't want to care anymore.  It's so easy to not show you care when you become this distanced from everyone.

    So I haven't gone, and I won't go.  I won't call them, I won't take their hand.  I won't take anyones hand.  It's easier this way.

    EDIT:  and as I wrote this my brother just phoned me from their house to say they were very upset I didn't come, and asked me to at least come on the phone to say eid mubaruk to them, but I said no and came off the phone.

    because ignoring the problem is better. 

    I'm doing so well.  Or at least I am doing so much better.

    I took my kids to a firework display yesterday and a funfair.  I'm not sure if anyone here will even understand what a big deal that was for me.  I hate crowds, I hate feeling closed in so my kids have never been to one before.  My anxiety levels are extremely high in crowds even more so if I am not drinking and I have to watch my kids and keep them safe.  I panic so much and become quite bossy trying to keep them close because I am scared and I feel out of control.

    So I never took them.  But I have been challenging myself recently in small ways.  Safe things to do with my family only, as in my kids, not my other 'family'.

    I had fun and I managed to relax and let them have fun, and it was good and it felt like I was moving forward. 

    I feel like I am moving forward.

    So I don't want to open a door to anything that can shake this.  Nothing can send me back to where I was last year and early this year.

    So I guess that is me made up my mind then.  First I have decided to reject my eldest sister earlier in the blog and now I am once again choosing to reject my parents.

    I'm sure I will regret closing myself off from everything, but I would regret emotional heartache again even more.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #376 - November 06, 2011, 01:37 PM

    I think most of us have gone through that phase of having extreme anger towards Islam at earlier years of our apostasy, i still do considering the last time i argued with my brother who thinks Mo didnt really rape Safiyya, he thinks she loves him and i retort back in anger saying "wow, i didnt realize you are an idiot until now" something i rarely say to him, though i felt bad for telling him that and for letting myself dragged into an argument.


    Yep.  I was so disgusted that my father even tried to defend it that I said to him I can't believe you knew this, I can't believe you are still a muslim knowing this.  Well I didn't say it, I screamed it over the phone.  I was so fucking mad.  Cheesy

    I wish I still had some of that fire, but I really just don't care anymore.    Let them believe their madness if it keeps them sane. 

    Quote
    Im already deemed as crazy and delusional at home. Allah has sealed my heart away from the truth, the jews have permanently brainwashed me.


    Grin  I think they really do think we are crazy Naija.  Not even a maybe, to them they actually think we MUST be mad to reject Islam.

    Quote


    Im quite big on forgiveness,though its more acceptable in actions rather than say it to the person, if someone asks for forgiveness,then one has to be willing to change with action instead of mere words


    So am I.  I am actually quite forgiving. I have forgiven my parents and siblings over and over and over again, but nothing ever changes.  It was whilst I was married to my ex that I truely learned how sorry doesn't mean a damn thing, or at least when the lesson was most drummed into me. 

    Since then I have a 1 forgiveness policy.  Fuck me over once, I might forgive you.  Fuck me over again and you become my enemy.  Mostly I am too lazy to be an enemy anyone needs to worry about Grin  especially once I have calmed down.  But I don't forgive a second time anymore.

    Quote


    If you want to go and forgive them with the true intention of hoping that there is a chance for reconciliation, then IMO you are more likely to be disappointed with them,i cant say you should count your hopes on that but i could be wrong, i have tried every possible way to think of relating with my father but to no avail

    This.


    Yes I agree.  There is no real hope.  It would just be a repeat of every other time. 

    I'm not putting myself through the drama anymore. 

    Maybe if they phoned me, maybe if they actually apologised for everything, maybe I might listen but all they have is an Eid invite, because Eid means forgiveness.  But it is not them who need to forgive me as far as I am concerned. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #377 - November 06, 2011, 08:18 PM

    Since then I have a 1 forgiveness policy.  Fuck me over once, I might forgive you.  Fuck me over again and you become my enemy.  Mostly I am too lazy to be an enemy anyone needs to worry about Grin  especially once I have calmed down.  But I don't forgive a second time anymore.


    Hey Berbs,

    I haven't been through half of what you have, but I picked up this interesting book called Forgive for good by Fred Luskin (cheesy title I know). I'm using it to work through some self-hatred and rage issues that I have - thought maybe you'd be interested in it?

    It's a method of forgiving yourself and/or others that has been tried and tested. Including helping mothers who have had children killed in during the conflicts in Northern Ireland.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ri-lrIswk

    From what I gather you've got a big heart, intelligence, beauty and charisma - it's heartbreaking to see that you're so harsh on yourself.

    I hope one day your relationship with your family strengthens, this forum you've created has obviously provided alot of support for many people - I hope one day you'll receive the same support you've provided for others, from your family.

    BTW fuck you, for posting the urban dictionary morrocan breakfast definition. That fucking haunted me whilst I was at work.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #378 - November 06, 2011, 09:04 PM

    Berbs I think you're making the right decision for now in keeping out people and things that cause you unnecessary stress. Instead, you're taking things slow and moving ahead one step at time. You have a lot on your plate and much to focus on - you and your kids. If that means everyone and everything else takes a back seat, then there's nothing wrong in that. Maybe that might change in time but I think it's totally ok to focus on yourself and gaining achievements like being able to take your kids out and have a fun day, getting through your course etc.

    I've always been fairly anti social and apathetic, but I think I'm becoming more of a heartless bitch as I get older Grin It's so much easier to cut people out of my life than deal with all the drama and shit that comes with them. So I know what you mean, but I'm even worse than you because my life mantra is never forgive and never forget lol You piss me off and you're out of the game  Tongue

  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #379 - November 06, 2011, 10:41 PM

    You didn't make a bad decision Berbs. You made the right one.

    I've had a debate with my dad over slavery. He used some very cop out answers and got very angry when I wouldn't accept them. He was a right drama queen. I understand the feelings you have towards your parents Berbs. I have the same.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #380 - November 07, 2011, 12:11 AM

    ...it was a no go with the uni, they said because it was now exam time it was too late and a bad idea to swap since I wouldn't be ready for the exam in a next class and I need my credits to get in to the second year, or something like that anyway.  All I heard was "no" and then the rest of the words sounded like a charlie brown episode...


    So sorry to hear it was a no go for changing your classes. However you are a champion, a winner that will find your way, you may not know that yet, but you will. Succeeding in the classes you don't really want to take is just one more step on a hard road you've already been traveling. Hopefully the rest of the journey will be smoother.

    So I just got invited to my parents house for Eid.  I'm kind of gutted that I can't go.  I have an exam on Tuesday so I have to spend the next couple of days preparing for it...

    I know I act like I don't care, but I do still care. At the end of the day they have had me declared insane through their imam...  I remember how fucking angry I was when I first found out what sort of person Mohammed really was and phoning my dad shouting at him... They all thought I had gone crazy and they all blame my ex husband and his treatment of me..............oh and they blame the fact that my mum was English and that .  she left me.  You know how muslims get about orphans, even though I had a dad, it appears the idea of having no mum is what it means to be an orphan for a young girl because a dad is no substitute for a mother to teach a girl how to be a proper woman.

    ... the imam told them I am crazy and that because of this I am free from judgement from allah and that its ok for them to carry on seeing me. But I rejected them.  I stopped talking to my parents for many reasons. ...

    I don't know, I feel empty inside all the time. I feel lonely for family even though my family are insane. 

    I would have gone today if I didn't need to study.

    ...

    Things would be fine with my step mother.  Long gaps never affected our ability to pick up our relationship again, but they are never right with my father. 

    Maybe I only want to go so I can feel proud of my accomplishments.  To have my father tell me he is proud of me.  or to reconcile with me.

    Wow. Did not realise that I still felt this torn up over my family.  I thought I was safe in my hate and my anger.  But now with one invite I feel like I would want to.  I thought I had accepted that things couldn't ever be right for us.  It's a joke to find out that I still long for that and that all my 'rationality' fuelled by anger is useless.

    So yea.  Its a good thing I can't go since I won't go once Eid is over.

    But there is something about Eid right?  I don't know if it was the same thing in Eid that was drummed into me as was drummed into you, but my parents were big on making us forgive each other on Eid and of course the parents gave forgiveness on Eid.

    So today I feel that conditioning quite deeply I guess.  That I want to go and forgive them.  I want to forgive and stop feeling so alone.

    But then it wouldn't change anything.  Nothing ever changes anything.

    Fuck it.


    I sat and cried as I read your post. Our families are deeply connected to us, no matter if they were "good" or "bad". The emotional relationship is there. Children want and need to hear their parent say "Well done!". Your wanting that approval from your father is not wrong or weak or crazy or any other bad term you can think of. It's normal, as far as I can figure. You may never hear it or it might not come in the way you want it or the way you think it should. But, hopefully it will come for you some day. There was a time in my life when I thought I didn't have my fathers approval. Then one day while were having lunch at a resturant he says to me, "You know, I did worry about you and your sisters going to Indonesia with your Mom and step dad because I know you would take care of them." I wanted to reach across that table and slap his head off I was so angry. I wanted to yell at the top of my voice, "WHO THE HELL DO THINK WAS TAKING CARE OF ME!" It take me alot of years to realize what he was saying was he could trust me to take care of thing and be responsible. Yes, my father did all my life exspect more of me then my years should have thought was reasonable but in the end it has saved my life more then once. Just don't burn bridges with your family.  You still have a lot of years of life left to live and as you become more confident you will find ways on your terms to interact with them. So right now you may not be able to deal with them directly, perhaps a nice card or a short phone call on a day that you can handled it. Or on a day that you know you'll get the messege machine.

    How you treat your parents well help your children see how to deal with you.

    My son will be getting out of prison in December.  He hadn't spoken to me in years. Twelve years all of his adult life he has turned his back. I know it is opening myself to heart break to open the relationship up again. How though could it be any other way? If I ever stopped trying then I would for ever be plagued with the thoughts of "What has become of him?" or "How is he doing?"

    Just my thoughts I hope you are well.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #381 - November 07, 2011, 09:11 AM

    Hey Berbs,

    I haven't been through half of what you have, but I picked up this interesting book called Forgive for good by Fred Luskin (cheesy title I know). I'm using it to work through some self-hatred and rage issues that I have - thought maybe you'd be interested in it?

    It's a method of forgiving yourself and/or others that has been tried and tested. Including helping mothers who have had children killed in during the conflicts in Northern Ireland.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ri-lrIswk

    From what I gather you've got a big heart, intelligence, beauty and charisma - it's heartbreaking to see that you're so harsh on yourself.

    I hope one day your relationship with your family strengthens, this forum you've created has obviously provided alot of support for many people - I hope one day you'll receive the same support you've provided for others, from your family.


    He makes a good point.  Reminds me of the way I dismiss the good in my life to focus on the bad.  I sometimes drag myself out that black hole by remembering that I have some top class friends, I have an awesome brother who has been a solid rock when it really mattered and I needed him.  I'm not as alone as I can lead myself to believe sometimes.

    I don't know how I feek about forgiveness though.  I feel that it has been my biggest weakness my whole life and I can't help but be angry with myself for having a forgiving side since it's a doorway for people to continually hurt you through. 

    I don't mind counting the good,   I do that when I can and it helps.  More and more now I can shake myself out of my reverie with reminding myself of how lucky I am right now, and how I should feel proud for coming this far and I do, and it helps, and I find myself smiling and bouncing down the road because I know there is good in my life.

    My pessimism and the way i think means that for me I can only remind myself that I have friends who love me even if the love I used to crave is something I am forcing myself to stop longing for, because I don't believe I can ever have that.  But I can have career success if I work hard enough and feel a sense of pride in that.  I can put my all into being the mum I wanted to be before I became a mum and hope it doesn't backfire on me when my kids become adults, and adults reject parents.  I can invest all my energy on the friends I have who love me in return like I love them, and I do love them.  I can make those things happen for me.  So I will.

    But there are things I can't make happen, and those things I accept.  I can't forgive enough to let love in my life anymore, at least that is how I feel right now.  I also can't forgive enough to fix my relationship with my parents.  I am so angry about these 2 failures of my life that I can't forgive myself or them for any of it.

    But I guess if I push that from my mind and just focus on the good I do have then I can stand here smiling and say "life feels good" and it does. 

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    BTW fuck you, for posting the urban dictionary morrocan breakfast definition. That fucking haunted me whilst I was at work.



     Cheesy Cheesy  You are welcome.

    Berbs I think you're making the right decision for now in keeping out people and things that cause you unnecessary stress. Instead, you're taking things slow and moving ahead one step at time. You have a lot on your plate and much to focus on - you and your kids. If that means everyone and everything else takes a back seat, then there's nothing wrong in that. Maybe that might change in time but I think it's totally ok to focus on yourself and gaining achievements like being able to take your kids out and have a fun day, getting through your course etc.


     yes  That's all I'm about right now.  Slowly but surely I am getting better where it matters right now.  Other things can wait until I am better, or I have the security I need to launch myself into risk from, which I don't right now.

    The last thing I need is the family drama.  Or to reawaken that whole question as to whether or not they even love me or understand what it means to love someone. 

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    I've always been fairly anti social and apathetic, but I think I'm becoming more of a heartless bitch as I get older Grin It's so much easier to cut people out of my life than deal with all the drama and shit that comes with them. So I know what you mean, but I'm even worse than you because my life mantra is never forgive and never forget lol You piss me off and you're out of the game  Tongue


    Safer position you have there Tongue  I have tried to be a 1 strike you are out kind of person but I'm a sucker for a one time sob story.  I know how easy it is to make a mistake that you are sorry for, so I will take it once these days.  Sob to me darling and I will listen, sob to me again and I will give you a reason to sob some more you S.O.B.

    Apathy is great in so many ways.  Grin

    You didn't make a bad decision Berbs. You made the right one.

    I've had a debate with my dad over slavery. He used some very cop out answers and got very angry when I wouldn't accept them. He was a right drama queen. I understand the feelings you have towards your parents Berbs. I have the same.


    hugs  this is the price we have to pay just to use our mind and make our own decision.  That our relationship with them can never be the same.  This many years on and I still can't shake that anger towards them, and even if I could shake off the path, the truth is the Islam thing will always come up.  It wouldn't be long before they started to try to reawaken some faith in me, which would go badly for them, and we would be back to square one.  Plus in order to accept them I have to ignore the things they believe.

    Like my step mum believing she had a right to kill my sister, or my dad defending sex with slaves, or both defending the barbarity based on Islam.  It would take some real burying of the truth in my own head just to put up with accepting them whilst they hold those beliefs.  It's not surprising we would feel this way towards our parents really.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #382 - November 07, 2011, 09:47 AM

    So sorry to hear it was a no go for changing your classes. However you are a champion, a winner that will find your way, you may not know that yet, but you will. Succeeding in the classes you don't really want to take is just one more step on a hard road you've already been traveling. Hopefully the rest of the journey will be smoother.

    I sat and cried as I read your post. Our families are deeply connected to us, no matter if they were "good" or "bad". The emotional relationship is there. Children want and need to hear their parent say "Well done!". Your wanting that approval from your father is not wrong or weak or crazy or any other bad term you can think of. It's normal, as far as I can figure. You may never hear it or it might not come in the way you want it or the way you think it should. But, hopefully it will come for you some day. There was a time in my life when I thought I didn't have my fathers approval. Then one day while were having lunch at a resturant he says to me, "You know, I did worry about you and your sisters going to Indonesia with your Mom and step dad because I know you would take care of them." I wanted to reach across that table and slap his head off I was so angry. I wanted to yell at the top of my voice, "WHO THE HELL DO THINK WAS TAKING CARE OF ME!" It take me alot of years to realize what he was saying was he could trust me to take care of thing and be responsible. Yes, my father did all my life exspect more of me then my years should have thought was reasonable but in the end it has saved my life more then once. Just don't burn bridges with your family.  You still have a lot of years of life left to live and as you become more confident you will find ways on your terms to interact with them. So right now you may not be able to deal with them directly, perhaps a nice card or a short phone call on a day that you can handled it. Or on a day that you know you'll get the messege machine.

    How you treat your parents well help your children see how to deal with you.


    But honestly to what end is it worth carrying on for?

    Because we share a blood line?  or because we are conditioned to continue to forgive parents?

    Islamically I am conditioned to forgive my parents no matter what they have done to me.  But if we look at the things they actually did to me, should I really have forgiveness for them?

    I've been faced with the same choice they were, do I let the things that happened to me as a child repeat upon my own children, and in that small moment where I realised that I had part of them inside me, and I hit my own child, I knew then I did not want to repeat the cycle.  I needed to change that about me.  I needed to learn a new way.

    We might be able to blame the fact that they were 1st generation, but my dad was educated.  He can read.  He can write.  He was exposed to social services and the new model for raising children before I was a teenager.  He had a chance to embrace a new way of behaving towards his kids, and even then he failed to take that chance.

    He failed me.  He failed my siblings.  He let someone who wasn't even my natural mother, burn me and torture me for years, he let her forcefeed me babyshit mixed with chilli and watched her beat me when I threw up because of it.  He beat me so many times himself.

    I love my kids.  I couldn't even begin to imagine what it must take for a parent to make their child bleed and continue to beat them even as the blood flies everywhere.  I can't shake the fact that I don't believe they loved me.

    I can understand a frustrated smack.  I am a parent, I can understand how your children can drive you.  My own son has been violent towards me, and the most I ever hurt him in return was because I had to restrain him, and I lost my cool I smacked him.......not with an implement, not with a knife that has been held over a fucking flame until the metal turns red, or listened as he screamed and begged for my fucking mercy.

    Why.......why would I, or even do I continue to struggle with some pathetic desire to be loved by someone who failed me so badly?

    I won't be making any phone call, I won't try anymore.

    Talking about it on here in the blog helped me avoid making a mistake that I keep making, and that is giving into this conditioning that has made me believe family means something sacred.  It doesn't.  It is just the luck of the draw where you end up. 

    Thank you though, I understand why you maintain hope for me when it comes to them, but the truth is too much bad has happened and I'm too angry now.

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    My son will be getting out of prison in December.  He hadn't spoken to me in years. Twelve years all of his adult life he has turned his back. I know it is opening myself to heart break to open the relationship up again. How though could it be any other way? If I ever stopped trying then I would for ever be plagued with the thoughts of "What has become of him?" or "How is he doing?"

    Just my thoughts I hope you are well.


    Wow lynna, that must have really broken your heart.  hugs  being rejected by my kids is one of my biggest fears.  THIS family is all I have left and I don't want it to crumble into nothing like my parent/sibling family.

    I wonder if they do, if I will forgive more often because they are my kids.  Probably.  I hope not.

    My parents have paid a price for the things they did, for instance my brother, not the one who lives with me, has robbed their house I can't even count how many times.  The house has been raided by the police for drugs.  and yet they continued to forgive him and let him into the house over and over and over again.

    he robbed them of their plasma tv, their mobiles, including my sisters, and my disabled sister, he stole their money.  and the next day he was back home and my step mum just let him in.  For years now she has continually forgiven him and he has continued to repeat the crime. 

    I don't want to be her.  I don't want to let anyone treat me so badly and continue to forgive them because I am supposed to.  I hope to whatever I can hope to, that I am able to turn my back on a child who behaves like my brother did towards my parents.

    Not that I am saying that to you.  I can totally identify with what you are saying right now.  What if, how are they, will it be better.  I hope for you it is better when he comes out.  I hope you get the son you had when you held him in your arms the first time and felt all that hope for him.  hugs

    Familial relationships are so hard.

    Are we hard wired to love them naturally?  or is the idea of family a social construct? 

    In rejecting my family am I liberated or unnatural? 

    No idea.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #383 - November 07, 2011, 12:50 PM

    Just read your post about the weight issue and uni, I can sympathize with you on the weight issue and looking disgusting I started losing weight since I thought I was getting fat. I started losing some weight and it seemed girls liked me more this was just reinforced by the fact that, when I was at the opticians, there was a girl sitting on the seats I smiled at her (just being polite) and she smiled back and started chatting to me, and asked me for my number. So I was encouraged even more to lose weight, and as you said eventually it got to a point where I started looking disgusting my arms were really skinny. The one thing I eventually realized was (I am super-confident, (the cocaine effect) irreverent of looking like crap) that it was my personality that made me not my looks. I am below average looking as you know. But what matters is confidence and personality, how can an ugly fuck like Russle Peters be dating someone like Sunny Leone? the answer: he is funny and intelligent and confident. Not to mention I like abit of fiber on my women, who wants a stick figure anorexic pussy? the bones will be poking you. So don't feel shit about it, and eat, guys like curvy women.

    With regards to the course most universities will let you switch depending on your prior academic record, they are not going to let you jump into a degree course mid-way through when you're not familiar with the subject, you'll have to show them something which will convince them you can catch up and also understand subject.

    Also another note, give up the weed I am telling you put the skunk down, it destroys you mentally, kills your motivation gives you mild psychosis and paranoia. Try another drug to be honest. I was hooked on skunk when I was like 17, the best thing I ever did was cocaine to be honest that helped me come off the skunk and boosted my confidence. I know it sounds crazy but I think you should try something like Ritalin rather then smoking skunk, Ritalin is similar to cocaine but its prescribed medication you can get from your doctor. I know it sounds crazy to tell someone to go from smoking skunk to cocaine/stimulants.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #384 - November 07, 2011, 04:42 PM

    Sorry to hear you were severely abused as a child. I didn't at first understand it to be so because you said things are good now was you step Mom. Anyhow I find even with families I work with as a nurse the abused child wants the abuse to stop and to be loved by that parent. I don't understand why. I have no idea,  It really shocked me when I was a young nurse. I wanted to scream no at the top of voice. However the doctors, social worker and case managers would all say it's normal. Some for different reasons.

    Nature or Nurture?
    Hardwired or Condistioned?

    I don't know for sure. There are people who have a lot more education then me that think one way or the other. However from my exprience I think it's perhaps some of both. You likely realize the same as you talk through your thought about your families. Perhaps when you are finished at university you'll have a sceintific answer.

    Thank you BerberElla for kind words about my situation with my son. And about the experience of your brother and parents. It is my thought that even if bad things happen to us, we can make good choices. Oh yes it is more difficult.  My friends and family all think I'm out of my mind for even thinking of letting him come home. I work in the prison system as a nurse I know the type of life he's had. I also know he's not my little boy any more, he's a grown man with very little life experience.
    In that paradox position of needing respect and independence while having the safety of Mom and home, The balance well be delicate.

    I hope you remain well.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #385 - November 10, 2011, 03:11 PM

    Just read your post about the weight issue and uni, I can sympathize with you on the weight issue and looking disgusting I started losing weight since I thought I was getting fat. I started losing some weight and it seemed girls liked me more this was just reinforced by the fact that, when I was at the opticians, there was a girl sitting on the seats I smiled at her (just being polite) and she smiled back and started chatting to me, and asked me for my number. So I was encouraged even more to lose weight, and as you said eventually it got to a point where I started looking disgusting my arms were really skinny. The one thing I eventually realized was (I am super-confident, (the cocaine effect) irreverent of looking like crap) that it was my personality that made me not my looks. I am below average looking as you know. But what matters is confidence and personality, how can an ugly fuck like Russle Peters be dating someone like Sunny Leone? the answer: he is funny and intelligent and confident. Not to mention I like abit of fiber on my women, who wants a stick figure anorexic pussy? the bones will be poking you. So don't feel shit about it, and eat, guys like curvy women.


    Meh, whether I am a stick figure anoerxic pussy or a fat one, I still lack whatever it is that a woman is meant to have that makes her lovable.

    My war with my weight isn't about other people liking me, it isn't about getting a man, it's about me and me alone and how I punish myself when no one is around to do it for me. 

    If I had stayed with my ex, chances are I would be eating just fine since he made me feel shit enough to compensate. 

    Men don't want this, men don't want that, men just want...........well who the fuck knows and right now I just don't care.  As long as I feel worthless it doesn't matter. 

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    With regards to the course most universities will let you switch depending on your prior academic record, they are not going to let you jump into a degree course mid-way through when you're not familiar with the subject, you'll have to show them something which will convince them you can catch up and also understand subject.


    Again I am in a Meh phase about this.  Maybe you were right when you said "I give her a few months" since I am not going in today, probably won't go in tomorrow, and I am unsure about the rest.

    I am unbelievably unhappy at uni right now.  Just thinking about it brings me down.  When I decided not to go in today I felt a sweeping rush of relief.  What it takes for me to face it everyday is just too much right now. 

    It's like I can't even be bothered to try and argue to change courses, because I am doubting whether I want to be there at all anymore.

    I thought I would love uni.  I hate it. 

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    Also another note, give up the weed I am telling you put the skunk down, it destroys you mentally, kills your motivation gives you mild psychosis and paranoia. Try another drug to be honest. I was hooked on skunk when I was like 17, the best thing I ever did was cocaine to be honest that helped me come off the skunk and boosted my confidence. I know it sounds crazy but I think you should try something like Ritalin rather then smoking skunk, Ritalin is similar to cocaine but its prescribed medication you can get from your doctor. I know it sounds crazy to tell someone to go from smoking skunk to cocaine/stimulants.


    I need to give up the weed you are right, its dragging me down, maybe adding to the way I feel about myself. 

    I'm just struggling with it.  I have been smoking daily since before I became an apostate.  After my little girl was born, so 7yrs now of daily smoking.  The only time I have ever quit was because I couldn't get it those 3 weeks.  Grin

    But you know I feel like life sometimes isn't worth trying for anymore.

    I quit teh weed and what?  magically things get better?  they were crap before I started smoking this heavy.  I go to uni and somehow I get happier?  or find someone and feel good for a little while until it falls apart?

    Why do I still keep trying? why do I carry on getting up everyday for anything other than my duty?  everything seems like a way to kill time until time kills me.

    Nothing makes me happy like it used to.  Even when I say I am doing better I just mean that I am trying.  But in the back of my head I am constantly asking myself WHY? why even bother when it doesn't help.

    It doesn't change anything.  I keep trying to change things and inside I feel the same. 

    This is why I know that it's pointless having more surgery, because inside I will still feel this way.  It's pointless finishing the decorating I started in this house because inside it is still my life.  Making friends?  ultimately what for?  so that someone will mourn me when I am gone? 

    It all feels empty. 


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #386 - November 10, 2011, 03:18 PM

    Sorry to hear you were severely abused as a child. I didn't at first understand it to be so because you said things are good now was you step Mom. Anyhow I find even with families I work with as a nurse the abused child wants the abuse to stop and to be loved by that parent. I don't understand why. I have no idea,  It really shocked me when I was a young nurse. I wanted to scream no at the top of voice. However the doctors, social worker and case managers would all say it's normal. Some for different reasons.


    Oh have you not read my bio?  things are ok with my step mum because they just are.  Ok as in we don't talk anymore. 

    She was a real mum to me. I never knew my own, couldn't remember her and my step mum was as close to a mum as I had, and so no matter what she did I still cared.  But yes, it's common for abused kids to still love their parents. 

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    Nature or Nurture?
    Hardwired or Condistioned?

    I don't know for sure. There are people who have a lot more education then me that think one way or the other. However from my exprience I think it's perhaps some of both. You likely realize the same as you talk through your thought about your families. Perhaps when you are finished at university you'll have a sceintific answer.

    Thank you BerberElla for kind words about my situation with my son. And about the experience of your brother and parents. It is my thought that even if bad things happen to us, we can make good choices. Oh yes it is more difficult.  My friends and family all think I'm out of my mind for even thinking of letting him come home. I work in the prison system as a nurse I know the type of life he's had. I also know he's not my little boy any more, he's a grown man with very little life experience.
    In that paradox position of needing respect and independence while having the safety of Mom and home, The balance well be delicate.

    I hope you remain well.


    I hope it works for you lynna hugs  As I said before, what you've been through in all of this is something that I can only begin to imagine must have hurt you a lot, and I wouldn't wish that sort of pain on anyone.  Guess all you can do is remain hopeful that even if he isn't your little boy, he is still in there somewhere, and hopefully this time you will reconnect,

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #387 - November 10, 2011, 03:19 PM

    You know I just came on this thread to say my brother and my ex husband are in the same prison.  Grin

    Life might feel empty to me, but ^^ that part doesn't. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #388 - November 10, 2011, 03:59 PM


    Thats bloody funny  Smiley

    Imagine your life as a sit-com Berbs, that would make a cracker of an episode.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: From the mouth of madness - My blog
     Reply #389 - November 10, 2011, 04:11 PM

    You know I just came on this thread to say my brother and my ex husband are in the same prison.  Grin

    Life might feel empty to me, but ^^ that part doesn't. 


    The one that stays with you?, How come if you dont mind me asking? Lol

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