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  • How about a godless religion?
     OP - June 05, 2011, 08:31 PM
    If PolyTHEISM is a religion category...
    And MonoTHEISM is a religion category...
    Why can't aTHEISM be a religion category too?

    Look at this:
    re·li·gion
    noun /riˈlijən/ 
    religions, plural

    -The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods

    -Details of belief as taught or discussed

    -A particular system of faith and worship

    -A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance

    So if we need to unite, we can unite under a new... well I know you HATE the word religion... call it an ideology then. So why not found an ideology that atheists can unite under, show the world the truth, ENLIGHTEN the masses and bring an end to the madness of religion?
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  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #1 - June 05, 2011, 08:33 PM
    How about a religion that asserts that god is dead, that we are condemned to freedom and that it is up to us to make a difference?
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #2 - June 05, 2011, 08:35 PM
    Errr... huh?
    Ok...
    YAY!  dance
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  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #3 - June 05, 2011, 08:46 PM
    By "god is dead" I meant god who not only doesn't exist but also himself knows this, accepting his erasure, entirely passing over into the love that binds members of the emancipatory collective. God that reminds us that we are wholly unto ourselves. God that isn't.

    This is an old joke - from 1920:

    Communist propagandist after his death, finds himself in hell, where he quickly(being a propagandist and all) convinces the guards to let him leave and go to heaven.
    When the devil notices his absence, he pays a visit to God, demanding that He return to hell what belongs to Satan.

    However, as soon as he addresses God as "my Lord", God interrupts him:
    "First, I am not 'Lord', but a comrade.
    Second, are you crazy, talking to fictions? I don't exist!
    And third, be short -- otherwise, I'll miss my party cell meeting!"
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #4 - June 05, 2011, 08:53 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    That's even better than the Mary sues god joke  Afro
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  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #5 - June 05, 2011, 08:54 PM
    Isn't this pretty much Buddhism? I know they don't consider Buddha god or do they?
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #6 - June 05, 2011, 08:56 PM
    Buddhism already has a claim to being a godless religion. At least, when it comes to the idea of a god that we might recognise.

    (Devas, as I understood it, are a higher class of sentient being, but other than that, are pretty similar to humans. Anyone better informed care to comment?)
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #7 - June 05, 2011, 08:59 PM
    I've been thinking about this for a while. Many (unsuccessful) attempts have been made over time. I remember reading somewhere about a humanist church, and there was also Zamenhof's Homaranismo (he also created Esperanto, a language I've been learning for a while). Check this out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_humanism

    Imagine an international movement with "churches" all over the world that you can join if you're a nontheist who believes in humanism. We could have chants and traditions and holidays and services during which philosophy or ethics may be discussed, and it would give a sense of community and warmth to an increasingly individualistic Western existence. You would group the most altruistic people together and you would have a real family of people binded to each other by their common humanity Smiley

    "You may say that I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one!"
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #8 - June 05, 2011, 09:02 PM
    "Buddhism (Pali/Sanskrit: बौद्ध धर्म Buddha Dharma) is a religion and philosophy encompassing a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices, largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, commonly known as the Buddha (Pāli/Sanskrit "the awakened one"). The Buddha lived and taught in the northeastern Indian subcontinent some time between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE.[1] He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end suffering (or dukkha), achieve nirvana, and escape what is seen as a cycle of suffering and rebirth." - Straight from Wikipedia

    Well if you believe in "Nirvana" and a "cycle of suffering and rebirth" be my guest.

    Nooo I mean an ideology that has no FICTION... where no "Faith" is required!!
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  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #9 - June 05, 2011, 09:05 PM
     
    Quote from: Kenan on June 05, 2011, 08:33 PM
    How about a religion that asserts that god is dead, that we are condemned to freedom and that it is up to us to make a difference?


    Technically if an omni-everything god existed and gave us free will (and being all knowing, knew how everything would turn out forever), its existence would become meaningless instantaneously, thus would have no point of an existence.
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #10 - June 05, 2011, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: luftazure on June 05, 2011, 09:02 PM
    Nooo I mean an ideology that has no FICTION... where no "Faith" is required!!


    Religion by most definitions are supernatural-based and/or faith based, so you might have a little difficulty with this, unless you create a new definition.  Smiley
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #11 - June 05, 2011, 09:16 PM
    Pantheism.
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #12 - June 05, 2011, 09:20 PM
    How about a religion whose sole belief is that it is definitely time for Prince to go study?
    Hi
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #13 - June 05, 2011, 09:21 PM
    How about nothing.  Afro
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #14 - June 05, 2011, 09:24 PM
    Quote from: musivore on June 05, 2011, 09:20 PM
    How about a religion whose sole belief is that it is definitely time for Prince to go study?


     lipsrsealed

    That would be most useful. But I would probably be the first apostate.
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #15 - June 05, 2011, 10:13 PM
    Quote from: Maya on June 05, 2011, 09:21 PM
    How about nothing.  Afro


    Afro Can't we end it at this?
    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #16 - June 09, 2011, 09:17 PM
    Maybe the problem with godless religions is that they must depend on the teachings of ordinary people. And those teachings may always be doubted or discussed, like in everyday life.  The teacher needs a supernatural Being in order to prevent that. Only people who have the desire to rule over others need that Being, so I think that some kind of God is necessary for a religion.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #17 - June 10, 2011, 02:58 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on June 09, 2011, 09:17 PM
    Maybe the problem with godless religions is that they must depend on the teachings of ordinary people. And those teachings may always be doubted or discussed, like in everyday life.  The teacher needs a supernatural Being in order to prevent that. Only people who have the desire to rule over others need that Being, so I think that some kind of God is necessary for a religion.


    Do you believe morality is the teaching of God or humans? If morality is the teaching of humans then why can't we enforce that? Sure each individual has different preferences, but those who cross the line get their ass slammed in jail, isn't that how laws work currently?
    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #18 - June 10, 2011, 03:15 PM
    Quote from: Fombles on June 10, 2011, 02:58 PM
    Do you believe morality is the teaching of God or humans? If morality is the teaching of humans then why can't we enforce that? Sure each individual has different preferences, but those who cross the line get their ass slammed in jail, isn't that how laws work currently?

    Fombles, you might have seen it and you might have read the BOOK.,  but if you didn't it is good to watch this tube..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7AGv-RNGM

    watch all 5 parts of Sam Harris..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #19 - June 10, 2011, 03:20 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 10, 2011, 03:15 PM
    Fombles, you might have seen it and you might have read the BOOK.,  but if you didn't it is good to watch this tube..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7AGv-RNGM

    watch all 5 parts of Sam Harris..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    No I haven't, I am watching it right now, thank you yeezevee.
    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #20 - June 10, 2011, 04:00 PM
    Errr... I don't get this video...  piggy
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  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #21 - June 10, 2011, 04:06 PM
    Quote from: luftazure on June 10, 2011, 04:00 PM
    Errr... I don't get this video...  piggy

     which video? which one are you talking dear luftazure??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #22 - June 10, 2011, 04:45 PM
    Quote from: Fombles on June 10, 2011, 02:58 PM
    Do you believe morality is the teaching of God or humans? If morality is the teaching of humans then why can't we enforce that? Sure each individual has different preferences, but those who cross the line get their ass slammed in jail, isn't that how laws work currently?


    I too have viewed the film of Fred Harris, and I think he is right on many points. You don't need an external overlord to have morality. The basic morality may be in our genes, being a way to act so a human community won't destroy itself. I think that the problem of religion-based morality is that is is asking things from you which are not in the interest of your well-being.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #23 - June 10, 2011, 04:50 PM
    yeezevee I finished watching the videoes. The example Sam Harris gives about a third child losing his eye due to a command in the scripture was the exact example I was given by my lecturer for Philosophy.

    I still stand by my point, why should there be a God figure or a book depicting human morals? How could one prove that it is God given, and not a human teaching, in the video Sam Harris was going indepth about the brain activity when ethical and philisophical situations were used as a stimulus.
    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #24 - June 10, 2011, 06:36 PM
    Quote from: Fombles on June 10, 2011, 04:50 PM
    yeezevee I finished watching the videoes. The example Sam Harris gives about a third child losing his eye due to a command in the scripture was the exact example I was given by my lecturer for Philosophy.

    You what?? had  Philosophy lecturer?? Hmm.. NO MUSLIM KID SHOULD BE ALLOWED to read and think about Philosophy unless it come from Quran/hadith and sunnah..Ban philosophy throughout schools & colleges.. Kids are getting spoiled now a days.. stupid schools..  

    Quote
    I still stand by my point, why should there be a God figure or a book depicting human morals? How could one prove that it is God given, and not a human teaching, in the video Sam Harris was going indepth about the brain activity when ethical and philisophical situations were used as a stimulus.

    god is a concept that gets in to the lives of human being due to their inherent problems of understanding  reality of life and that is  birth and death unlike other biological  species..

    So I don't care what people believe in as long as they don't rub it on me or take my money/ freedoms and freedom to question. And I tell you this  I live  my life with Golden Rule .. as far as possible.. and that is good enough for me and it beats the hell of all  religious scriptures..

    Because I am asking and I am all for freedom +Freedom of expression with Golden rule as guidance for actions in life hence I want same freedom for those who believe in  god..gods.. goddesses..  jinns.. devils.. monsters.. prophets.. cults & cult leaders.. whatever dear Fombles

    I wan every one be their own prophets & messengers of their life and I want every one+ everything must be questioned when it comes god.. monster whatever.. At the same time I want to give freedom to the believers..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #25 - June 10, 2011, 06:46 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 10, 2011, 06:36 PM
    You what?? had  Philosophy lecturer?? Hmm.. NO MUSLIM KID SHOULD BE ALLOWED to read and think about Philosophy unless it come from Quran/hadith and sunnah..Ban philosophy throughout schools & colleges.. Kids are getting spoiled now a days.. stupid schools..  


    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Quote from: yeezevee on June 10, 2011, 06:36 PM
    god is a concept that gets in to the lives of human being due to their inherent problems of understanding  reality of life and that is  birth and death unlike other biological  species..

    So I don't care what people believe in as long as they don't rub it on me or take my money/ freedoms and freedom to question. And I tell you this  I live  my life with Golden Rule .. as far as possible.. and that is good enough for me and it beats the hell of all  religious scriptures..


    Yes I agree yeezevee, everyone has the right to their own beliefs, however their beliefs shouldn't be justified to silence other human beings rights.
    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #26 - June 10, 2011, 07:18 PM
    Reminds me of how I was told old Algerian grandmas would sigh in frustration when their grandchildren told them they started studying Philosophy at school.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #27 - June 10, 2011, 08:01 PM

    The only great religion would be one that said existence and the universe is a mystery, and our purpose is to discover its mysteries, which will beget further mysteries for our children and descendants to understand, which will in turn be solved, understood, thus begetting further mystery, and the process will continue until infinity.

    Worship would then be discovery and creativity - science, art, literature, music, humanities and sport.

    Arts and literature create mysteries of their own, too.

    Music in particular would be the signature of this religion - because in the mystery of music and its effect upon us might be hidden a sound that resonates with the ultimate mystery of the universe.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #28 - June 10, 2011, 08:10 PM

    I would steal yoga and meditation from the Hindus and Buddhists. Thats it.

    There can be a sub-sect that reveres marijuana, taken that from Rasta-far-I.

    Apart from that, a religion of the mystery - teaching life is an adventure, and the universe is a playful puzzle, and everything we are capable of doing is an attempt to cultivate understanding, which will lead to discovery of meaning, even a minsicule meaning of the tiniest thing, is a religious act, as are acts of creativity. And that to leave mysteries and puzzles which emanate from all our discoveries, so the world is thus both better understood, and yet more mysterious simultaneously because of our presence after we have left it.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: How about a godless religion?
     Reply #29 - June 10, 2011, 08:53 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 10, 2011, 06:36 PM
    I wan every one be their own prophets & messengers of their life and I want every one+ everything must be questioned when it comes god.. monster whatever.. At the same time I want to give freedom to the believers..

    Hell yeah! Speaking my kinda language now  Wink  Afro
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