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Topic: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

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TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
OP - June 08, 2011, 05:01 PM

I thought it would be good fun so I commented on his official facebook page

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I would like to have a one on one discussion with you on Skype which we can both record and upload onto youtube.

We can discuss anything you wish, the Kalam Cosmological Argument, scientific miracles in the Quran - anything at all. I've seen your arguments on all of these points and I think they are massively flawed, I would be happy to explain why.

Are you up for it?

If you are on facebook then go to the following link, find my comment (about the 30th one) and click LIKE

http://www.facebook.com/HamzaAndreasTzortzis/posts/229130727097369

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http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
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Reply #1 - June 08, 2011, 05:03 PM

Hey TR, I can't seem to press the like button... cause there isn't one there! Do I have to... umm like his page first?

Edit: Yeah I had to like his page first...

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Reply #2 - June 08, 2011, 05:13 PM

Thats my good deed for the day.
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Reply #3 - June 08, 2011, 05:41 PM

Done.

I hope the discussion takes place.

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Re: TheRationalizer Vs Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
Reply #4 - June 08, 2011, 06:28 PM

I will pray that you come out of this discussion with your sanity intact, then again, you've been doing this for a while. Good luck, mate.
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Reply #5 - June 08, 2011, 06:32 PM

Quote from: GRB on June 08, 2011, 06:28 PM
I will pray that you come out of this discussion with your sanity intact, then again, you've been doing this for a while. Good luck, mate.

No doubt he will!

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Reply #6 - June 08, 2011, 06:38 PM

Can't like, but I'm eagerly waiting for the debate.

I'm open for debate (of why we should re-/embrace Islam), but I will no longer participate in this forum. Message me if you need anything. Good luck and may you all find your way... again...
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Reply #7 - June 08, 2011, 08:08 PM

Let's see if he agrees to this. You're a pro when it comes to debating muslims

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Reply #8 - June 08, 2011, 08:09 PM

Just liked it

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Reply #9 - June 08, 2011, 09:01 PM

I hope he agrees, gonna like it now.

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Reply #10 - June 08, 2011, 09:26 PM

Ugh, he makes my skin crawl. Doing a big festival of dawah at Birmingham town hall with the other Harlem Globetrotters of dawah-ganda, they are so frigging creepy.

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Reply #11 - June 09, 2011, 11:39 AM

Guess what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCTHemaAbo

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Reply #12 - June 09, 2011, 11:53 AM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 09, 2011, 11:39 AM
Guess what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCTHemaAbo

That is a fantastic job dear TheRationalizer ., I wonder whether you could post the print from that tube..it is hard to read..

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Reply #13 - June 09, 2011, 12:00 PM

yeezevee - Done

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Reply #14 - June 09, 2011, 12:22 PM

Well done, looking forward to that.

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Reply #15 - June 09, 2011, 10:32 PM

Yeah i am looking forward to it also.

My only advice is that you try to put in some simple questions about islamic fiqh - if you guys enter that topic. That is his cryptonite.

Good luck mate - not that you need it.

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Reply #16 - June 09, 2011, 10:35 PM

Please explain, and give some examples.

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Reply #17 - June 09, 2011, 10:50 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 09, 2011, 12:00 PM
yeezevee - Done

Done where?

I'm open for debate (of why we should re-/embrace Islam), but I will no longer participate in this forum. Message me if you need anything. Good luck and may you all find your way... again...
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Reply #18 - June 09, 2011, 10:51 PM

Quote from: luftazure on June 09, 2011, 10:50 PM
Done where?

The description on my youtube video.

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Reply #19 - June 09, 2011, 10:52 PM

Oh! Danke!
This is gonna be HUUUGE
Can't wait!

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Reply #20 - June 09, 2011, 10:56 PM

Brilliant, do us CEMBers proud

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Reply #21 - June 09, 2011, 11:08 PM

I'm interested to see this debate as well.
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Reply #22 - June 09, 2011, 11:19 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 09, 2011, 10:51 PM
The description on my youtube video.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=16157.msg447113#msg447113

that thread is useful on that 9 year old kid you are debating dear TheRationalizer

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Reply #23 - June 10, 2011, 03:31 AM

We're all going to get a serving of Tortoise soup when the discussion is over.
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Reply #24 - June 10, 2011, 07:07 AM

good job! although i went to that link on facebook and your comment is still the last one.
anyways, looking forward to it

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Reply #25 - June 10, 2011, 02:50 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 09, 2011, 10:35 PM
Please explain, and give some examples.

Hudud, hudud and some more hudud. His approach as you probably know will be to show how the Quran is the word of God and etc. You will find his arguments online. He uses five "arguments": http://www.theinimitablequran.com/fivemajorarguments.html

I know your main interest is miracles in the Quran, but the weakness of these Muslim apologists is hudud (sharia).

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Reply #26 - June 10, 2011, 03:06 PM

How is hudud a weakness?

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #27 - June 11, 2011, 03:27 AM

WOW! good luck bro we gotta see this

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Reply #28 - June 11, 2011, 04:41 AM

I read a few posts on Hamza's blog and it seems as if he does have a wide range of sophisticated philosophical arguments for his position. I don't agree with any of his conclusions but he's not a completely naive evangelist.

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Reply #29 - June 11, 2011, 04:44 AM

True that.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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