Why are muslims obsessed with conspiracy thoeries?

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Re: Why are muslims obsessed with conspiracy thoeries?
Reply #30 - June 19, 2011, 10:04 AM

Quote from: billy on June 19, 2011, 08:57 AM
Supposedly, but that would mean that Allah had been lying to them, or was tricking them, or, even worse (if they still can't contemplate that he does not exist), that he is an impotent little nasty blowhard, a psychotic version of the Wizard of Oz, standing behind that curtain, pulling levers to frighten and terrify his minions into obedience to him.

Whatever Allah's motivation might be, he is the one that is truly responsible for everything that is happening to Muslims. Because Allah controls everything, and nothing happens without his will.

If the above is true and the hardships that Muslims are going through are a result of Allah's will - a sort of test designed to verify the faith of the followers, than Muslims should really be thankful for their misfortunes because it would give them opportunity to reassert/re-experience their faith.

Therefore obsession with conspiracy theories and general dissatisfaction with the current Muslim situation is really dissatisfaction with Allah's conduct and therefore a sign of lack of true faith?
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Reply #31 - June 19, 2011, 10:50 AM

However, the responsibility is displaced onto Muslims themselves, and so it actually means that they must be more hardcore about Islam, they need MORE Islam, more orthodoxy, because what is at fault is Muslims who have not done enough to enact Allah's wishes. So it feeds into an atavism - more Islam, more intense observance and practise. Allah promised everything - so of course it is Muslims fault that his overlordship is not coming true. Therefore, Muslims must have more religion in their life - and not just in their private lives, but in politics, in public life, in everything, and non Muslims must know about it too.

These are the contortions that this attitude produces.

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Reply #32 - June 19, 2011, 12:16 PM

Quote from: billy on June 19, 2011, 10:50 AM
..... Therefore, Muslims must have more religion in their life - and not just in their private lives, but in politics, in public life, in everything, and non Muslims must know about it too.
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What is your opinion on the present Turkish Politics and its future billy??

Could it be a good model of all those countries where Muslims are more than 95% of its population?? Turkey with~74 million people has ~ 60,000 Christians(includes Armenians) ~20,000 Jews and rest are Muslim with in that 20% of them being Shiat

There is a nice article in Dawn on that Turkey and its present Politics and that is from Pakistan..

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Re: Why are muslims obsessed with conspiracy thoeries?
Reply #33 - June 19, 2011, 01:09 PM

Quote from: billy on June 19, 2011, 10:50 AM
However, the responsibility is displaced onto Muslims themselves, ............................................................................and non Muslims must know about it too.

These are the contortions that this attitude produces.

Any hopes of a positive change are crushed by scuttling all external criticism and scrutiny by labeling it as mere Islamophobia and hence undesirable and wrong!

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Reply #34 - June 19, 2011, 01:32 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on June 19, 2011, 12:16 PM
What is your opinion on the present Turkish Politics and its future billy??

Could it be a good model of all those countries where Muslims are more than 95% of its population?? Turkey with~74 million people has ~ 60,000 Christians(includes Armenians) ~20,000 Jews and rest are Muslim with in that 20% of them being Shiat

There is a nice article in Dawn on that Turkey and its present Politics and that is from Pakistan..

Interesting article. Turkey is a different culture and society than Pakistan. Turkey is European-ised and at ease with secularism and European style aspirations. That doesn't mean there isn't Islamic chauvinism or revivalism in Turkey, just that its a complete different culture and history from Pakistan, so its hard to draw lessons and examples from Turkey to Pakistan.

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Re: Why are muslims obsessed with conspiracy thoeries?
Reply #35 - June 19, 2011, 01:39 PM

Not only muslims too, i know some christians that believe in this BS.

Which reminds me of someone that has been talking about Illuminati,Illuminati,Illuminati, i asked him what does he know about illuminati,then he told me that they are certain group of people who want to take control of the world through media and other outlets.he was being specific because he was going circular.

Being curious i went to research on it only to find out that Illuminati means the enlightened one, and most of the members are well known scientist such as Galileo,Philosophers and other political leaders. The church opposes them because their scientific findings contradicts whats in the bible.after learning about it, i told myself if thats what illuminati means then i consider myself as one.

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